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Carin, I do not care, your reply didnt help what I asked. Anyway, Saahiba thanks for your reply. I know its about carrying him in your heart. But our gestures do show what we are/believe. I mean having a picture of the guru is not a bad thing, but atleast if you have some respect, dont put the picture up with filth. He said he use to have other pictures on the wall with the guru that were less dress women. Now we can all guess what it was, although they were closed but still its not respectful. I as a Sikh think its unbelievable stupid. Thanks for your reply. Cheers.

I visit a forum very frequently(dont wanna post link because that would be advertising). Anyway, theres a thread called, Show us your workstations, in which one of the "obivious" Sikhs has posted his workstation pictures. Thats fine. But, he has Guru Nank Dev Ji up on the wall with some woman. Here are the pictures. . I myself am a sikh and a fellow sikh advised him that It is looked down upon sikhism. I left him a very good message. Dont get me wrong, I have posted pictures too, but I have a statue of Guru on my tv and a picture that is sitting infront of my speaker and golden temple that is sitting infront of me speaker.So I see them always. Anyway, What do you guys think? If this is useless post sorry and Admin or MOD please delete. But I would just like the Sangat's view on something like this. I think its utter filth. Cheers.

Your right we should look at ourselves. But when something like this is going on in the Gurudwara and our community isnt saying anything then Heera is right. In the USA I've been going to the Gurudwara on 118st on Atlantic Ave, Queens for Years. My mom and dad have been there since they have come to THIS country. So, I've been going with them until I was old enough to choose. Also, Since now or when I was "Old" enough to know about Gurudwara I've still gone and sat and listen. I have been talking to my dad and me and him always talk about what They say at Gurudwara. Everything they say, only some people take in. Im pointing this out because most of us don't realize we just sit there and sometimes dont listen. It is like sitting at home without tv, friends, family, or anything. I have on countless occasions just sat there and dazed off. For this im not proud of myself. But im working towards it. Also about being perfect no ONE is. I myself have Cut Hair. Im proud of Sikhi and being a SIKH. But, my hair cut was nor my choice. I was 5 and mom had no choice because she had no one to help her. Dad was always at work at night and sleeping in mourning. Mom had stuff around house and Work during Day. I went to Kindergarten with a "judra"(spelling bad, sorry). I was proud of seeing this baby picture. But, on the first day, being in this IGNORANT and Racist country, My mom was called and bothered for 2 months about me crying about my hair being pulled. Some of it actually got PULLED out. Which for a 5 yr old is PAIN. My mom argured with the school but they couldnt do anything. Kids in this country aren't raised knowing how to treat others. Meaning, when a little kid goes to a knife the parent says no, sometimes even a slap on the hand and the kid knows not to touch that. But, with people, kid's are tought nothing. About no Hitting or etc. Anyway, Im not a fully praticing sikh. I will be "Baptised" when I leave college in 5 years(Senior in High School). I am planning to go to india one week after college for Graduration im leaving. I will go back to parents home and spend a few months or even year(s) to fulfill myself. I btw have my Beard in, uncut and PROUD of it. Only thing im not proud of is hair. I will grow it out, even thou it is not the same, hope guru ji will see my mom either had to Quit job and give up apartment, we live in NY A decent apartment back in the day was really TOO much and still is. My parents Kill themselves working 70 hours to get by with just rent and electric bills. I pay for Tv and Internet because im a Computer Major. I didnt want my parents to live in the "slums or ghetto". I am fine with where we live. We live in Queens near Flushing. Great apartment with "balcony" on 5th floor of a 10 floor building. Anyway, my point is, if you see it, atleast say something, but ONLY if you yourself are NOT the same. If you are, just let it go, because before you Critize others, Check yourself. Cheers, -Sikh.

Happy Vaisakhi here in the STATES! Cheers, -Sikh.

Depends on you. The school can have the most worse reputation. But, it always depends on the person to gradurate. I've faced an experience with a fellow indian who came to new york in 02 and his daughter went to the high school outside of our neighborhood. It's on the avenue. Now, this school was the WORSE. Probably, a 5% graduration. This school got it's name in the NEWSPAPER and on TV because of this girl. She started going to it and everyone in our building told her she should actually take the train or bus to go to a better school but she said no she's fine. Even after telling her, she one day came home and she had notes in her hand telling her parents that she was a fine student and finally the teachers got a break and got a good student for once. This school is REALLY bad. I mean god, I do not want to explain it. But anyway, a school with a 5% grad rate on the NEWSPAPER and TV, that means this student was extordinary, that she was but only book smart. Anyway, my point is EVEN in 1 1/2 year when im gonna be done with high school and gonna be going to college, im going to the college good for me. If it's a college 15 miles from me that is 4 years and has my course then ill go there no matter the reputation. But, if its in California, I will go to california to go to school. Cheers, -Sikh.

I am no where near Europe or North America ..... far.....far far far far in the e**t! Well the way you posted it kind of showed that your from the Western World. I do not assume, but from that post, it's not assuming, its common sense. Cheers, -Sikh.

Refuse to flying is one thing. But, WHEN YOU BLAME it on MUSLIMS, then your a joke. Before you judge, think about what you are saying. SECURITY IS SO TIGHT, You can not bring Shaving Blades ANYMORE. This is current security measure. Think about Security measures more indept? You not surppose to have ANY LIQUID in your hand boarding a plane. On the plan, you can ask, but beforem your not allowed to anymore. So, before you blame a race, think about yourself. Cheers, -Sikh.

:TH: Thanks for typing in english. Cheers, -Sikh.

That's what I hate. In new york mela's are so awesome. Even respectful GORA's come to and get food and talk. One day I was in line and this GORA from the empire state building came and we were talking. He said "Great food, is it a holiday today" I said yes and its called VaiSakhi. He said "whats that" then I sent him to my parents because I myself can not explain what VaiSakhi is. Can someone give it a chance and explain to me what VaiShaki is? I would love to know. My parents have told me and I love going. But lately it's just a bunch of garbage. Seeing girls and guys picking each other up. Too many Western Sikh's. I myself am a OLDSCHOOL Sikh. I actually go there to be proud of my religion. Not, because I have to with my parents or to pick up girls/guys(most sikh's i've meet use these reason all the time). We need to show the general sikhi youth what sikh is about before they get the age of 14+ and start going to the Mela as a way of meeting someone. Also im proud of arrange marriage. It's been done for so long and my whole family obiviously as I am first generation of my family born outside of india. But, as I was saying, arrange marriage has been working out. Although, If I fall in love I can not control that. But, atm im 16 and havent even start or done anything that comply's with dating so im pretty sure arrange marraige is for me. I still have college but anyway thats my point. --Offtopic-- Anyone, a Sikh, do you date or getting arrange marriage. My opinion is built on the fact that I think we sikh's are "surppose" to get arrange marraige. Although, I do not know what guru ji say's about love and life partner. But, I would like to find out by someone here. --/Offtopic-- Cheers, -Sikh.

I can read it written in english. I do not like to write it in English. I wanna preserve my countrys writing. So, im gonna learn how to read and write REAL punjabi. No translation into english or anything. Anyway, good post, who cares if he is "obessed" with it. He is just curious and curiousity drives you crazy some time. Cheers, -Sikh. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited You didnt. But you girls(bander and pkandi, lol) need to take it easy. Do it on MSN. We see that you two have the talent of writing it in english. But, it gets irritating. I would rather see my language in it natural writing then in english. Cheers, -Sikh.

Yeah, let him realize his mistake. Or hopefully he will let go of that damn steering wheel because of his damn stupidity. Cheers, -Sikh.

LOOK. Plain and simple. It was racists. No way just because he wears a turban does that imply that he is a MUSLIM. Even if he was muslim, WHO SAID ALL OF THEM ARE BAD? None of us have the audacity to say that ALL MUSLIMS are terroists. Yes, today's generation of Muslims born in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan are going down the wrong path. But, most muslims born in outside countrys like Bosnia, Albania, they are real ISLAM's. Anyway, my point is, that they have no REASON to judge that he was a terroist with or WITHOUT knowledge. They are bunch of judgemental idiots who really need to see the world from our point of view or they need to see more "colored" people instead of seeing them whiteself all the time. Plus, they are from Australia, they should not have an issue with 9/11 fears. They are stupid hypocrits and sterotypical morons. Cheers, -Sikh.

I live in new york. If they make you do it you can refuse. If they make a fuss about it you can take it too city hall. Since sept 11 they mistake Sikh's for muslims and frankly it <Edited> me off. So one day, my mom wraped a turban around my head(when we were coming from india in 05). When I got to the air port this GORA, with a racist attitude said can you please take it off. I said no, and then he said it again but not plesantly. I said no. He was going to say it again but then I said, "Please sir, I am a sikh. If you want to make a big deal then let's do it right now. Just because I am in the airport coming through arrival does not mean im a terroist nor muslim. Im a American born sikh." Pulled out my passport and my Social Security Card. Also, my birth cirtificate. He looked at me and said "sorry" I said do not make that mistake again or I will have the officals on you faster then you can say help. So he felt giulty and I took it off. Sorry, for the long writing but my fact is, im not a turban wearing sikh yet(yes I feel bad) but I did play with his mind. I've seen enough racism towards any indian wearing a turban or an indian. Anyway if they start something. Step up. Do not quiet down. That's what they expect. Do not let them assume you wont speak back. Thanks for reading, hope this helps. Cheers, -Sikh.

How can you offend anyone? It was well said. Also, yes your right I do hope WE ALL can get to the other side. I would love to. Also, meeting another sikh is always fun. Exspecially here in the Western side of the world where I blieve there is too much lost hope. I mean no one knows what they are anymore, and if they are something, there are a 3+ mix(i.e. Mom is jew/irish, dad is german) etc. Just makes me feel proud that my parents tought me the good morals in life. Cheers, -Sikh.

I love wearing a Kara. Nothing wrong with it. The one im wearing atm I just got after having my old Kara for 2 years, it was too small. My whole hands was basically in PAIN after it took 1/2-1 hour taking it off. Many things we tried. I went to doctor, and I was lucky enough not to break a bone. I was being stubburn and didnt wanna take it off. But my point is, I do not feel anyhting wrong with wearing a Kara. If it gets small enough where you need to group your whole hand,fingers toghter into a narrow hand before you take it off, then that means get a new one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also if your a sikh you keep all 5 K's. There is FEW excuses that count. I say this because I lost my hair at age 5. My parents both worked and I was starting kindergarten, well after two weeks I was in pain because here in the US, kids use to pull my hair and etc. So, instead of causing harm to me, my mom cut it. She did not have enough time to take care of me as it was. Both parents worked and are working VERY hard. So, I actually am happy that my mom did this. If she didnt I would have less hair and I would have worse headaches. Although I am looking into growing my hair after college. I already have my beard come in and am NOT shaving it. I love my beard and its not big. Anyway, Keep all 5 K's or do not call yourself sikh. Simple as that. If other Respectable Sikh's can do it, so can us SIKH"s who want to. Cheers, -Sikh.

Wow. I have much respect for her. EVEN after her parents telling her to. She still does what she wants. That's good. Also, LOOKS are not important. YOU MAKE IT important. I myself do not care about looks. Someone can be beautiful without needing make up or looks. I care about the soul and the personality. Also, you(the poster) are deffently a western person. Only western people say "hot' and etc. I like how people think in the US(NOT), I mean all, indians, punajbis, whites, blacks, etc. Can't you get over the fact that someone doesnt need to be "hot" to be loveable. I do know that 85%+ percent of mostly the WHOLE WORLD will say they look into LOOKS first before moving on. In US its probably 95%+ people that say they look into LOOKS. BTW, I just want a NORMAL girl in my life. Do not care if she has looks. I just need someone with personality and soul. Also, ENOUGH WITH EMOTIONS. They get irritating. Cheers, -Sikh. P.S. Im still in high school 3rd year. I have college before I fall in love or get arranged marriage(hopefully this comes first).

This has been posted at another forum. MSN is down/up for maintence in the US/Canada. ATM there status is up.(view status through messanger, brings you to MSN NETWORK STATUS page). Today will be a hectic day for us MSN users because network will constatnly be up and down. Cheers, -Sikh.

Man, I love you(not the wrong way). But, you are probably another person(do not know if you are a sikh or just another person learning more and more about sikhi and sikhism). Anyway, you said great things. Plus I love how you said its COMMON SENSE, because it is, but people do not know that and think RELIGION is a way to control you. Im perfectly happy with being a Sikh and a PROUD one at that. It doesnt control me or anything. It's just the GURU looking out for me. I have more to say, but needless you should understand where I am coming from. Not only YOU, since you already understand but everyone ELSE. Cheers, -Sikh.

You can be a good person and not be religion. But, most people without "religious" morals, beliefs do not know what they are gonna do and depend on culture. What I mean is, when you are born an America, you are tought what you are surppose to at a specific age. I mean you do not grow up with morals or anything else. Most americans believe LIVING life is having FUN, as in Drinking, Smoking, and Partying. Before you say I assume, look it over again. MOST AMERICAN's are like this. I am from america, I've seen this my whole life and I have talked to my friends and friends family and teachers. When you are born american, you are not tought what other religious people are tought. Now christians believe going to church to recite spritual scripts are for jesus. They say that if we embrace the time we have on the weekend and give 1 day to church our life will be good and the way we want it. Sikhi is a way of life. Guru Nanak has said(this is summed up in my own words), Live life natural and clean. No Tobacco, Smoking, or Drinking. Now, Gurudwara is a term for "Door to the Guru". The four doors stand for Peace, Livelihood, Grace, and Learning. These doors should be open to ALL. After classifying that. My point is, most of us born outside of our country do not know this and nor do we care. I've spoken to many Non-Native born Sikh's. They either do not have an interest, or do not care. They say they are gonna life like they want, but its not how they WANT, it's the "American" culture they were born into that makes them believe that is the life. Personally, being BORN into an INDIAN family. My mom was never strict about us being INDIANs or AMERICANS. She let me choose. Meaning i grew up and SHE WANTED to atleast teach me the language. After that it was up to me. When I finally grew up old enough to understand why we went to gurudwara, I actually stopped complaining about going to it and actually LOOKED forward to it. Most people still do not look forward to church. Some-Most are starting now to go anymore. They say life is what they will make it. Which is true. But I believe Sikhi is a nice "way of life" religion. Im happy that it gives me set rules as in Live Natural, NO SMOKING, DRINKING. Why i emphasize this(caps) is because both of these thing's make people do very very foolish and stupid things. I believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is looking out for all of us and is helping us in not making these mistakes. Cheers, -Sikh. P.S. Sorry for all the reading, just my view.

Hey all I can say to this is "Amen". I probably live in one of the BIGGEST Continents of RACISM ever. The fact is, people need the drama in there life or life is boring. This is what I have gathered from most people. For india, and the hindu's. I've asked my parents about it and they told me when they have time they will tell me. As far as i've seen in this topic is that hindu's sat there watching sikh's die. Someone please give me more knowledge about this^ topic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Kir: I didnt say that you HAVE to do something. I also did say that you should respect where you come from. Just saying that you will not get called hindu will get a lot of people on your a**. Just fix them. Do not go "OMFG, NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN(something to this extent)". You will not exactly say that but thats what I explained it as. Anyway, whatever is fine with you is fine with you. Just do not get caught up. What I mean is there are some sikh's with hindu parents(as is, but i do not mind) that will get PO'ed if you ever say this to them. That's all, just take care of yourself in the streets about this topic. Cheers, -Sikh.

Wow man I just learned something new. Never knew this. Yeah, so in a way I understand why sikhs don't wanna be called hindu, I'm gonna look into this. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Narinder Singh: Im not concerned, I just like to know that there are still people out there that carry there own religion. Being born in America I have noticed that my generation and on does not KNOW ANYTHING about THERE RELIGION. Or for that fact where they come from. I am proud to know where I come from. I know people that don't know what they are. They call themselves american, but american is not a religion. Many youths now-a-days do not call themselves anything. They just say they are american, canadian, etc. I do not understand why people do not wanna know where there ancestors or there parents came from. I personally wanna know some of my history. History is mostly not important to me. But sometimes it is useful. For times when you need to learn from mistakes that were made before. Anyway, many people like you for instant, do not know or care what they are. I frankly do not care about these people anyway. Ill get along with them and etc, but I personally see them as people who can give a flying rat's *** what there ancestors or there family had to do for them. Most of us(americans,canadians, etc) should be GREATFUL for being here. In a much better life, better envrionment, better health care, better etc. Atleast we have much things people back then did not. Most people back then were greatful for everything they got. Most people now-a-days do not care about what they have. They want more. I appreciate for what I have and thank my mom and dad for coming to america. I love being in this country for many reasons: Government actually cares. Better Health Care. Better Technology(some cases). Better streets(thanks to government). A lot more. Basically most of them fall into Government actually cares. Like Better streets, by this I mean maintained, built sturdy, quality streets. I've seen news about how this bridge fell and there was a school bus and ## were killed in india. This is the kind of stuff im happy about. No $h*t on streets, etc. I am also not happy about some of the things in this country. Like racism and etc. But, I have to deal with the fact that this generation and on is now full of people that can careless what you are. Most are atheist's themselves so they do not care much about what color,race,religion you are. I have friends that are christian, atheist, etc. Most of them like to sit and talk about different religions and the aspects and beliefs. Most do not care what race,color,religion you are, they just like you for you. Anyway, my point is, it just shows how much people care and do not care. Cheers, -Sikh.

So let me get this straight. Since people are "hatin" indians becasue they mix indians and Muslims toghter(indians cannot be hated upon, we have not done anything wrong). Anyways, if you don't classify yourself as indian BECAUSE people will mistake you for HINDU's, then all i have to say is that your ignorant. YOU ARE INDIAN. It's a fact. Punjabi is in INDIA. Deal with the fact that you will ALWAYS get CRAP from RETARTED people. I GET CRAP EVERYDAY. They think indian's and muslim's are the same thing, but i tell them i am an indian SIKH. Guess what, does not change anything. So if your classifying youself as punjabi I have no problem with that, but do not say you will not call yourself indian because people will give you crap, because that sounds stupid. Also, so if people think your Hindu? What's wrong with that? I understand your a SIKH. Im a Sikh and I get <Edited> when people call me muslim. If they call me hindu, I say no, im punjabi. Most assumtions are based on what they learn at school. In american hinduism is known more then Sikhism, so I do not have problem with someone calling me hindu, i just fix them. Also, how can hindu's be racially hated? They have not done anthing wrong. Just as Punjabi's have not done anything wrong. Cheers, -Sikh.

Yes pun your right. But then how are you an indian if you can not speak your own language? You look like a tourist to me . To tell you the honest truth, if you don't speak your language besides not knowing or knowing about your history, religion, etc you look like an american to me(i live in america so i basically mean an OUTSIDER). I have had many people tell me they are indian, come to gurdwara*, but after they turned 13 they went straight American. Never came back, and if they did they are at corner smoking weed or with a bunch of indian's who do not know what they are talking about. But yet, they call themselves indian, which down right pisses me off. Im sorry, but its IGNORANT to call yourself indian, if you do not even speak the language AFTER BEING BORN INTO AN INDIAN FAMILY. Im FIRST generation of my FAMILY. Meaning First Generation BORN IN AMERICA/OUTSIDE of india. Yet my mom and dad tought me my language, everyone in india said "why are you talking hindi/punjabi to him, he is an america, let him learn english". My mom being the smart women she is said "just watch, it will take him until age of 5 to learn the language well, but it will take him 2 MONTHS to learn english well. Guess what took me 1 Month and like a week and i was speaking english in Kindergarten. Anyway, my point is, if you do not speak your language or choose to forget your language, then all you are is an outsider/tourist. ~Analyze this tought of mine, before you anwser to this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Kar: Punjab is in india, your an indian. *EDITED* My mom is Hindu, my dad is punjabi guess what IM AN INDIAN. Yet, i am SIKH. I am proud of being INDIAN. Even thou im proud of being Punjabi and a Sikh and being from Punjab. I AM AN INDIAN. So, i do not know how you call yourself an indian, if you will, please elaborate how you are not an "indian" but a "punjabi". Cheers, -Sikh.

You should know that if the SIKH COMMUNITY or SIKHS are hated then it can only be one RACE. These are MUSLIMS. MUSLIMS have always hated ALL indians. Exspecially PAKI's. Since PAKISTAN was INDIA, they frown on the people now a days that believe it's still a part of INDIA. Also, they believe that they can TAKE WHOEVER they want over. Meaning, they are now spreading over Sikh Youth(to be specific girls). They have spread through many races before like Blacks, Whites, etc. Now it's the ERA where its basically only INDIAN's getting attacked by such garbage. Personally, I do not have any feeling for anyone rather they be straight,gay,white,black.brown. If they give me a reason not to like them i won't. Most muslims have given me that. But there are also those muslims that are STRICT to there RELIGION. Islamic religion is a good religion. Islamic, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc. These are real religions. PEOPLE DO NOT Represent these religions. Im pointing this out because most of us use MUSLIMS, which is a good notation. If we use ISLAM's then we are being ***holes. I personally would attack the person, not there religion. Remember 1 person doesnt stand for RACE,Culture, or Heritage. They stand for themself no matter how STRICT to there religion they are. Cheers, -Sikh.

If by what you wrote(which was not in english or proper grammar) you basically said you "hate' speaking hindi in india. I got that from this line "i hate that 2 man - speakin Hindi over in India.". If that's true, how can you call yourself an indian? You were probably BORN and RAISED INDIAN. How can you now say you hate SPEAKING your language in your country. Sorry but I get ignorant stuff like this from some indians I know. Do not call yourself indian if you are not proud of it. Plus in America I expect people to speak english, so in india I expect people to speak Hindi/Punjabi. Of course if your indian YOUR EXPECTED to speak it. Your not a damn tourist. Your a Fellow Person. Only Gorra's are Tourist. Tell me if im right or wrong. -------------------------------- @mann: good luck with marriage. Im getting arrange marriage to so i hope it's easy for me. Also if you dont mind me asking, did you get Love or Arrange'd? Also how are you working it out on planning to take her out of her country(assuming she's indian born) to your country. I live in USA, so I personally think it would be hard to bring an indian girl to america. New culture and etc. Also, i have a grown bread from my sideburns down to my chin, if a girl does not like it not my problem :umm: . I'm proud of being sikh. Cheers, -Sikh.