Sant Bhindranwale and the Babbar Khlasa

[jagjit_waheguru]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Pyare jio, It is for Bhai Amolak singh to say what he really thinks. Not for me to say with my limited experience. All I know is what is said in front of me.

I saw what happened between Bibi ji, bhai mehar singh and all the AKJ Uk elders including the then Jathedar Bhai Rama Singh ji. This all happened in the last 10 years.

Clearly you have your ideas and my differ, I do not see what you wish to accomplish. This was about Baba Jarnial singh and the BKI. I have complete respect for them, just not for the role that Bibi ji and rest of those who created Panchain did.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[singhmota]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Pyare jio, It is for Bhai Amolak singh to say what he really thinks. Not for me to say with my limited experience. All I know is what is said in front of me.

I saw what happened between Bibi ji, bhai mehar singh and all the AKJ Uk elders including the then Jathedar Bhai Rama Singh ji. This all happened in the last 10 years.

Clearly you have your ideas and my differ, I do not see what you wish to accomplish. This was about Baba Jarnial singh and the BKI. I have complete respect for them, just not for the role that Bibi ji and rest of those who created Panchain did.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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Very similarly I cannot see the logic of yours draging a topic into the AKJ Cave.

Yes indeed it was about SANT JI. It was you who classified Bibi as bad (if you read your post again). Now again you are trying to go off topic. This post is not what happens in the AKJ cave. So I am least concerned about it.

Slander who ever you want to. Panchain was brain child of Bhai Joginder Singh to counter Bhai Ram Singh who was the Jathedar and the sole reason was that Bhai Ram Singh wanted to work together with Taksal. So as per your opinion Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara was bad aswell?????????????? (Sorry for going off topic but may be you didnot know this).

It was you who said some were bad and some were good. I simply asked you to confirm that from people who were on the scene as you dont know much about those times.

Does it not make sense to get your facts straightened by confirming from some good people who were witness to those turbulent and hard times???

Please donot drag this discussion into what happens in the AKJ cave. It was about Bibi's role as far as Sant Ji is concerned.

[jagjit_waheguru]

waheguru ji kekhalsa,waheguru ji ke fateh

Pyare jio, as neither of us wish to drag this further lets not.

Just to clarify, Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara was a great soul. Before he passed away he was very much against what the Panchain had become. What his role is the creation of Panchain, does not compare to his whole jeevan of selfless seva, study of Gurbani, teaching of keertan, and Panthik stature.

waheguru ji kekhalsa,waheguru ji ke fateh

[singhmota]

Many people , especially writers of these poor history books used on many websites stated Bibi Amarjit kaur was against Baba Jarnial Singh. This shows very poor research.

This state ment of yours is also wrong Jagjit Ji

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This state ment of yours is also wrong Jagjit Ji

Bibi Amarjit Kaur had openly stated at that time 'Jarnail singh ney sadde singh marvatey.'

The AKJ of the time blamed Sant Ji openly and called him a coward for staying behind. Do you know why sant ji stayed behind????

It is a humble request to you aswell that DO NOT make statements when you were not there. 10 years from know people will start quoting Jagjit Ji said this and Jagjit Ji said that. So refrain from commenting or elaborating on what you have not seen.

And did Bhai Joginder Singh did any good by forming a Panchain and opposing Jathedar Bhai Ram Singh Ji????? Bhai Joginder Singh did the ardas himslef even when the other singhs were saying Halle Soch Vichar Kar Lo but still he went ahead.

[jagjit_waheguru]

Many people , especially writers of these poor history books used on many websites stated Bibi Amarjit kaur was against Baba Jarnial Singh. This shows very poor research.

This state ment of yours is also wrong Jagjit Ji

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Singhmota stated - This state ment of yours is also wrong Jagjit Ji

How so? This is my assesment from comparing the books to the personal interviews with the people involved which I conducted myself.

Singhmota stated - Bibi Amarjit Kaur had openly stated at that time 'Jarnail singh ney sadde singh marvatey.'

Possibly she may, anyone would be upset to see the jeevan saathi shaheed. However as far as I am aware no official statements where made. Please correct me if I wrong. Speak to nay sikh widow in the heat of the moemnt, and naturally emotions are strong.

Singhmota stated - The AKJ of the time blamed Sant Ji openly and called him a coward for staying behind. Do you know why sant ji stayed behind????

From my research AKJ only made a statement delivered by Bibi Harsharan kaur.

An extract from Kurbani, "The Akhand Kirtani Jatha made two demands after this incident. Firstly, they demanded justice according to the law. Secondly, they wanted an assurance that no one should ever show any disrespect to the Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Bibi Harsharan Kaur categorically stated, “we have nothing to do with politics, but we will not give up these two demands.”"

I have yet to see any statement By Sant jarnial singh ji against BKI, but I heard many in their favour mentioning specific Singhs. Also I have yet to see any literature from BKI against Baba Jarnial Singh, If you have seen some please produce it.

So based upon facts, and completely devoid of hearsay and speculation. It is clear there was a working relationship. This is further emphasised by many first hand accounts of Operation Bluestar.

Singh mota stated - It is a humble request to you aswell that DO NOT make statements when you were not there. 10 years from know people will start quoting Jagjit Ji said this and Jagjit Ji said that. So refrain from commenting or elaborating on what you have not seen.

Veer ji, it is my humble request, that unless you produce information to the contrary then please do not make assupmtions. If of course you were there eye witnessing all these events in 1978 and 1984 and beyond, then please identify yourself. Then in the interest of balance and truth, I would would be happy to interview yourself also.

waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh