Mera Sohna Watan Punjab, Kitha Giya?

[sbw1845]

yeah man i dont want to argue with u cuz i think u just want to argue with ppl and not to say anything about the positive things.When i come to this website i come as a punjabi not as a US army personnel.And to win wars in this modern world u need some skills andknowledge which u cant have without going to school.And yeah some diplomatic stuff too, and when i say that kharkoos were uneducated i'm not talking about just one person or some 100 ppl i'm talking about all those youngsters involved in the movement.But u'll never understand that as u have never faced combat.e.g napoleon led france to become a superpower in 1800's but he wasnt a born king, he went in the army as lieughtenent but he was a master of mathematics.i'll write tomorrow as i have to go, changa sat sri akal.

Sat sri akal, And yeah personally i dont think that there was much stuff in that movement from where i can take my inspiration or ideas.My whole inspiration comes from the singhs of the period which starts with the time frame of 1700s to 1760s and then the shaheeds of freedom movement of krantikarres like shaheed-e-azam bhagat singh and his other friends.If u talk about the singhs of 18th century, they were different cuz they realised the fact that if they have to win this struggle, they have to win the hearts of the ppl.Singhs will not go to ppl's homes their villages cuz they dont want to put them in trouble.they'll just stay in their own hidespots and ppl were always desperate to see them and thats why they were loved by ppl.U believe it or not, that doesnt happen in the 84 movement, if it happened it was very little and as far as i know majority of ppl were unhappy to give shelter to kharkoos and they were scared to tell them to go somewhere else.e.g police came to my fuffars house and all the kharkoos run away and police beat my fuffars family, like four policemen were beating one guy with gun butt and jumping on him.A movement doesnt mean that everybody should become a kharkoo but its the responsibility of leaders to make sure that ppl or common man dont hate them.I dont know how u said in one of ur replies that" if u had been there, u'd have thought in a different way", so now i'm not going to argue who has seen more or what but u know that tehsil tarn taran had more kharkoos and muqables as compared to other areas.

And singhs never faced mughal fauj or ahmad shah abdali inside the boundary of the gurudwaras.They never used them as their hiding spots cuz they knew it that if they do muslims dont care about their gurudwaras but thats a different thing that harmandir sahib was still destroyed by abdali many times but singhs were never blamed for that.When ppl say that indira gandhi is the one who was responsible for destruction of sri harmandir sahib, i dont believe in this thing, and i dont care what u think but i think that Sant Jarnail singh bhindranwale and his supporters were also responsible for that.U have no right to sit inside a holy place if u think u r going to fight against an army.when u r sitting inside a gurudwara with weapons in ur hands and u expect that enemy is not going to do anything, thats wrong.When it comes to a war none is spared.and if u going for a war take it outside man, what the hell u r doing inside.Indira gandhi has to be blamed for that cuz she could have done one thing, like cutting the supplies and this way the building of gurudwara sahib would not have been destroyed.but she tried to do her own thing.I'm sorry man,but thats the way i think.

and dont say that i'm blinded by US propaganda cuz i know that when u start a movement, th e govt is going to call u terrorists like they call shaheed bhagat singh terrorist too so i'm not a man who can be brainwashed very easily.

[Guest PunjabSingh]

Yeah Mr sbw1845,

Either you are trying to be ignorant or you are trying to mislead people.

Do you know about "Police cats(dogs) ?

Who they were?What was there purpose ? How many were recruited ?

The present DGP Punjab S.S.Virk has openly spoken about them and their purpose .I neednt go into the details as the sangat already knows .

"kharkoos run away and police beat my fuffars family"

Just read the following true article on just 1 black cat "kala" :

http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.php?f=1...565&t=13565

The present DGP also had his own black cats "Virk sena" .There were similar senas of the Punjab police which were used to descredit the movement .

As far as Taran Tarn fake muqablays are concerned if they were genuine and according to law then why the hell did SSP Ajit Sandhu who was responsible for killing atleast 500 sikhs commit suicide by jumping before a running train if he was so brave ?

Now you are blaming Sant Bhindranwale for operation bluestar .Im not surprised because your words sound so fimiliar ,Ive heard the very same words many times from sarkari sikhs who go on to justify the attack on darbar sahib because you and me got info from only 1 source ie the indian media which was totally biased again Sikhs.

If this operation bluestar was against Sant Bhindranwale then why were other 30+ Gurdwaras also attacked ?

Why was the Sikh reference library burnt days after the operation bluestar was over ?

Why were most of the dharmi faujii's who deserted their barracks on hearing about operation bluestar killed and not captured ?

Why were villagers who ran to towards Darbar Sahib after bluestar shot dead and not captured ?

Why was a circular in their jounal "Batcheet" sent to all army units declaring that all "Amritdharis" are terrorists and should be shot dead on sight and not captured :

http://www.khalistan-affairs.org/home/libr...mybulletin.aspx

Apart from this immediately after independence Sikhs were declared a "criminal race".

All this was done to teach Sikhs a lesson and Santji had made every one aware of Sikhs being slaves.

Whatever you are saying is all that we can expect from an army man like you whether "indian","british" or "US".

As far as Im concerned for me the US Army of which you are part is the biggest terrorists in Iraq.

USA knows about the severe Human rights violations taking place in Punjab and elsewhere in India but is more concerned about economic benefits from the region .

In fact USA govt is indirectly responsible for continuation of human rights violations in India .

You'll reap what you sow dont blame this 'terrorist" or that "terrorist" when they hit back.

People like you help or not doesnt matter .

We are already fighting so called secualar sikhs like you (badal and company) so it doesnt matter if one more is added .

Ultimately Sikh Raaj will come .

The chelas of Chandu,Gangu,Narainu mahant will be doomed forever.

They will never be able to sleep in peace after killing so many innocents.They will always live in fear .

Nobody will remember them.

By the way this topic was started in the context of badal and company defiling SGPC and other sikh institutions and not for what you have have made it out to be and arguing.

das nimana

[Guest PunjabSingh]

Read the article on ths site to see the pictures

Special Police officers posing as militants

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=53098

http://www.indianexpress.com/ieimages/pics/deoband.jpg

[Guest PunjabSingh]

Im not in favour of muslim terrorists but who is helping Israel with full power come what may ?

When will RSS/Bajrang dal/Shiv sena/Vishv Hindu Parishad /BJP be declared terrorist by USA?

BJP has openly announced to pay Rs 1 lakh to whoever kills a muslim terrorist .

And now who is terrorist we dont know.Any body could be picked up and killed as a muslim terrorist to claim the money.

This happened openly in Punjab .

Other above mentioned Hindu terrorists are openly threatening muslims,sikhs,christians,raping nuns,burning churches and other places of worship.

When will Narendra Modi the present BJP chief of Gujarat be declared an International Terrorist ?

USA believes that he is one that's why he was denied US visa but when will USA declare it openly ?

Eh Amrika dee doglee neeti nahi tay hor kee aa ??

das nimana