Ethics & Career

[Guest - Singh from London -]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!

I'd like to thank all those who answered my previous question regarding the Karra. I find myself today in another unsure state.

I've just about opened my eyes to reality that I may not be going to UNI and I had planned. Today I approached my uncle (who is more of a godfather to me). He's Hindu, educated, owns his own business and has made a million.

He advises me regarding everything A-Z. I approached him today regarding a childhood dream I had of becoming an Army Officer, if not that - officer in the RAF. We talked for a few hours & his support was with me either way (he himself is from a strong army background).

He left me with a question though. One which didnt occur to me earlier but is troubling me now.

If I was in Punjab & I had signed up to the army it would have been perfectly fine. We're right next to three countries which can anytime attack.

The British recently have gone to unnessesary wars. Sometimes dragged in and sometimes not. No matter how ethnically 'equal' they show themselves to be, it's not alway the truth.

In the Falklands memorial thing - the Gurkha's were hardly mentioned. The Gurkha's were the main guys sent there!

Throughout history they have sent other people in first to die. Scotts - Irish ect ect.

Racism exists everywhere - thats not an issue with me.

But the fact that these days countries sent in armies for the sake of oil & it leads to death of civilians. - Do I really want to be part of that?

Although I don't intend to join the infantry, as part of the Royal Signals (IT & communicatons dept) i'd still hold responsbility.

So I'm thinking.. I'm really stuck. If you get an order, you have to carry it through. If the order comes through the Defence Secretary, it will have to be done.

I'm the type of person who is very pationate about his surroundings. I care for whatever area I am in. My white friend sometimes say's I'm more English than him.

The Sikh's have had a legacy of master soldiering & warfare. Some of you might have sibling who are in the army, navy or raf.

How do I come to a conclusion which satisfys me when I myself am now totally mixed up.

- VS

Mod Note: Very nice post, next time please use other section of the forum as i fail to understand why this post needs to be in gupt section.

[Guest Guest]

To mod - everytime I signup my account just vanishes. :umm: I've given up. I occasionally come and only recently used this section where guest posts are allowed.

Sorry for the nuisance caused.

[KKV]

I don't anything but am talking anyway.

You know what yeh if you want my opinion its like this:

If you really feel you want to be a army officer person then go for it, but don't fight for like the british army. If you can try and enlist some how on Panjaab's army (do they even have one?lol) or something

lol I'm not trying to make my own rules up, but can people from other countries fight for the 'mother land' instead of where they live?

Without being rude, i don't think you'll get much advice from here (as you can see my "advice" is a bit lame), we don't exactly know crazy amount about army stuff lol well i dont - talk to people that know you mainly your family

weigh the advantages of you being a army officer and the disadvantages and see which list is longer!!!

lol and dont cheat

[Guest baba amarjeet singh]

"Mod Note: Very nice post, next time please use other section of the forum as i fail to understand why this post needs to be in gupt section.[/b]

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guests can only post in gupt section!

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!

I'd like to thank all those who answered my previous question regarding the Karra. I find myself today in another unsure state.

I've just about opened my eyes to reality that I may not be going to UNI and I had planned. Today I approached my uncle (who is more of a godfather to me). He's Hindu, educated, owns his own business and has made a million.

He advises me regarding everything A-Z. I approached him today regarding a childhood dream I had of becoming an Army Officer, if not that - officer in the RAF. We talked for a few hours & his support was with me either way (he himself is from a strong army background).

He left me with a question though. One which didnt occur to me earlier but is troubling me now.

If I was in Punjab & I had signed up to the army it would have been perfectly fine. We're right next to three countries which can anytime attack.

The British recently have gone to unnessesary wars. Sometimes dragged in and sometimes not. No matter how ethnically 'equal' they show themselves to be, it's not alway the truth.

In the Falklands memorial thing - the Gurkha's were hardly mentioned. The Gurkha's were the main guys sent there!

Throughout history they have sent other people in first to die. Scotts - Irish ect ect.

Racism exists everywhere - thats not an issue with me.

But the fact that these days countries sent in armies for the sake of oil & it leads to death of civilians. - Do I really want to be part of that?

Although I don't intend to join the infantry, as part of the Royal Signals (IT & communicatons dept) i'd still hold responsbility.

So I'm thinking.. I'm really stuck. If you get an order, you have to carry it through. If the order comes through the Defence Secretary, it will have to be done.

I'm the type of person who is very pationate about his surroundings. I care for whatever area I am in. My white friend sometimes say's I'm more English than him.

The Sikh's have had a legacy of master soldiering & warfare. Some of you might have sibling who are in the army, navy or raf.

How do I come to a conclusion which satisfys me when I myself am now totally mixed up.

- VS

Mod Note: Very nice post, next time please use other section of the forum as i fail to understand why this post needs to be in gupt section.

[dalsingh101]

Some people mind find this messed up but talking about general karma....man if Sikhs help in killing innocents, and war involves this, especially recent ones by the British, we will have to pay for this in some way or another.

Sikhs did lots of good (i.e fighting nazis) under goray but they also did wrong (i.e. quelling the Chinese rebellion in the opium wars).

It is your choice, personally I'm not sure if I could just follow orders to help kill people who have done nothing wrong to me or my people.

[KKV]

Some people mind find this messed up but talking about general karma....man if Sikhs help in killing innocents, and war involves this, especially recent ones by the British, we will have to pay for this in some way or another.

Sikhs did lots of good (i.e fighting nazis) under goray but they also did wrong (i.e. quelling the Chinese rebellion in the opium wars).

It is your choice, personally I'm not sure if I could just follow orders to help kill people who have done nothing wrong to me or my people.

oo gowwan Bhaji neva thought of that....oii Bhaji (thread starter) dnt fight 4 the ghore'h or the muslims -they jus killin randum like ther on a spree :umm:

[fortunate]

who is your people, guru sahib told us that the whole world should be seen as our people, "one humanity" ...and when you say goray and muslims..why include everyone? sikhs are murders...

when i say that everyone gets offended right?....not all muslims are bad, not all goray are bad..and not all sikhs are bad...next time..don't drag the ENTIRE group together and bash them with those kinds of comments...guru sahib tells us to look at everyone eqaully...yet we bash everyone with bigotry comments?

if you want to join the army, go for it...if you don't want to be involved with combat that you do not agree upon then , enlist as an engineer, mechanic...but i am not sure on how their contracts work....however why not try the united nations...goto one of their branches...and see how they work?

[Guest Guest]

Even if you join as a medic or engineer you're still participating in the death of civilians. The western world these days does not fight for righteous deeds. Saying that, the same time some other event can come up in which it is a rightious but I won't be able to enlist.

I hate to generalise but most of the guys in the infantry and regular soldiers here in the UK are basically racist chavs who just enlist to kill muslims. They're too trigger happy. But we can't say that for everyone.

So.. should I be joining an organisation where certain people are of such a type?

Should I say to myself.. "I'm joining an organisation which to be quite frank is controlled by oil hungry control freaks & is full of racists" or should I be saying "I'm joining an organisation which for sure in the next 20 years will be quite ethnically diverse & I'm needed to serve my country for any future threats".

It's really annoying. One and a half year I've thought this through but I left out the most important question of them all.

Anyway..

- VS

[dalsingh101]

Helping people steel oil is no Khalsa way.