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Going on from a point made on another thread...

What exactly are deray and do Karamsar and Nanaksar fall into this category?

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Sikh Dera is a place where dharam gets propagated via puratan oral, religious, spiritual traditions coming from seena basina( tradition from lineages) tracking their lineage way back to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj then spread out to puratan bhramgyani/shaaheeds Baba Sri Chand Ji Maharaj, Baba Lakshmi Chand Ji Maharaj, Bhai Mani Singh Ji Maharaj/ Baba Deep Singh Ji Maharaj/ Bhai Dya Singh Ji Maharaj/ Bhai Dharam Singh Ji Maharaj/ Bhai Ghaainya Ji Maharaj.

Dera is not a bad word so the word sant, so the word sri mahant, just because few bad apples abuse the word dera doesnt make it bad. For EG- Its like saying ocean is dirty just by seeing off shore kirams, moulds etc but tottaly forget the fact, same ocean has 14 jewels(padaraths).

back to orginal question- karamsar name derived from dhan dhan baba karam singh ji hoti mardan wale who was elahi noor in upsamarpda of bhai dya singh samparda.

Nanaksar started by baba isher singh ji nanaksarwale, although nanaksar insituation was started by baba isher singh ji nanaksarwale, they have major imprints of nirmala (upsamparda) of bhai dya singh ji if you look at traditions(eg- katha from farditkoti teeka of sri guru granth sahib ji, white outer garb, sampad patts, long rehras sahib) it matches very much like traditions in upsamparda of bhai dya singh ji because baba harnam singh ji bhucho kalan wale (vidya gurdev of baba nand singh ji maharaj) was also anmol ratan in that samparda.

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Going on from a point made on another thread...

What exactly are deray and do Karamsar and Nanaksar fall into this category?

fateh ji

guru kirpan karrn, as per das di sojhi.... a place of worship where sangat get together to do naam japp is called dera.

"Dera: suffix meaning (Buddhist) temple."

coming back to ur question, are Karamsar and Nanaksar are so called deras? The answer would be YES. i personally dont know much about Karamsar, so wont be talking about it, but about nanaksar, i used to go on regular basis and still go sometimes.

Another thing comes that what make dera different to a gurughar or gurudwara sahib. As a sikh, we have some rehat mariyada to follow and we want our gurdwaras to follow and teach this rehat mariaya to the sangat. those gurughar do this, we have no problem with them, on top of this, if that have something else addedd to it (e.g. at nanaksar, they only wear kurta and kachera.... we have no problem, they wear white gol turban.... we have no problem etc.).... dera jhutha sauda didnt do anything thats permitted in sikhism, hence it makes it really stand out and we wont have any dera associated to sikhi who claims to be part of it but do not do what sikhi or rehat mariyada says.

Hope this helps.

Bhuk Chuk Maaf Karni :WW:

Gujj Ke Balaawo

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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