Are Guns Allowed As Shasters

[Jap Naam 108]

Gurfateh Sangat Ji, i was just wondered if guns were allowed as Shasters meaning are we allowed to put them in front of Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. i know guns were around during Guru Gobind Singh Ji time but that is all i know. thanks in advance.

[Laadli Fauj]

tiro tufango bado ram jango dhankhdar aniar kamand kolra

panj sastar parvan

written by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji, i believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji

tir here means lance/spear

tufang is a RIFLE

bado ram jango is a REVOLVER

dhankhdar aniar is bow and barbed arrow

kamandkolraa--not exactly sure, but i think its similar to an akal daan or golaa, im prolly wrong tho

anyways

its maharaj's HUKAM to keep those shaster, and as u can see, guns are included

[dalsingh101]

Well in shastar nammala in the Dasam Granth the toupac or gun is the most referred to weapon. What does that tell us?

Also check this reference to Singhs using bandooks by a Muslim in 1765:

"During battle if these weapons (spear, bow, arrow and battle axe) are exhausted they take out their muskets and enter the field galloping and raising battle cries like roaring lions. Often, they expose their chests by removing the protective covers and allowing their blood to flow and mix with the blood spilled on the earth. You say this musket is the invention of the Sikhs and not that of Sage Luqman (a mythological figure who invented the gun). Although their are many muskets to be had, yet no one is more proficient than them at this art. to the right and to the left, and also in the front and towards the back, they fire a hundred muskets in this manner."

Qazi Noor Mohammad - Jang Nama - 1765.

[Jap Naam 108]

tiro tufango bado ram jango dhankhdar aniar kamand kolra

panj sastar parvan

written by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji, i believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji

tir here means lance/spear

tufang is a RIFLE

bado ram jango is a REVOLVER

dhankhdar aniar is bow and barbed arrow

kamandkolraa--not exactly sure, but i think its similar to an akal daan or golaa, im prolly wrong tho

anyways

its maharaj's HUKAM to keep those shaster, and as u can see, guns are included

Thank you very much. can you and anyone give link please. thanks again.

[dalsingh101]

Extracts from the Dasam Granth:

ਨਮਸਕਾਰਯੰ ਮੋਰ ਤੀਰੰ ਤੁਫੰਗੰ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਖਗ ਅਦਗੰ ਅਭੈਯੰ ਅਭੰਗੰ ॥

नमसकारयं मोर तीरं तुफंगं ॥ नमो खग अदगं अभैयं अभंगं ॥

I salute the arrow and the gun, I salute the lustrous sword, which Is impenetrable and indestructible.

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ਤਵੰ ਕੀਟ ਤੌ ਲੌ ਤੁਫੰਗੰ ਸੰਭਾਰੋ ॥ ਹ੍ਰਿਦੈ ਏਕ ਰਾਵੰਤ ਕੇ ਤਕਿ ਮਾਰੋ ॥

तवं कीट तौ लौ तुफंगं स्मभारो ॥ ह्रिदै एक रावंत के तकि मारो ॥

Then this lowly person (the Guru himself) took up his gun and aimed unerringly at one of the chiefs.

ਗਿਰਿਓ ਝੂਮਿ ਭੂਮੈ ਕਰਿਯੋ ਜੁਧ ਸੁੱਧੰ ॥ ਤਊ ਮਾਰੁ ਬੋਲਿਯੋ ਮਹਾ ਮਾਨਿ ਕੋ੍ਰਧੰ॥੧੭॥

गिरिओ झूमि भूमै करियो जुध सु्धं ॥ तऊ मारु बोलियो महा मानि को्रधं॥१७॥

He reeled and fell down on the ground in the battlefield, but even then he thundered in anger.17.

ਤਜਿਯੋ ਤੁਪਕੰ ਬਾਨ ਪਾਨੰ ਸੰਭਾਰੇ ॥ ਚਤੁਰ ਬਾਨਯੰ ਲੈ ਸੁ ਸਬਿਯੰ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰੇ ॥

तजियो तुपकं बान पानं स्मभारे ॥ चतुर बानयं लै सु सबियं प्रहारे ॥

I then threw away the gun and took the arrows in my hand, I shot four of them.

ਤ੍ਰਿਯੋ ਬਾਨ ਲੈ ਬਾਮ ਪਾਨੰ ਚਲਾਏ ॥ ਲਗੇ ਯਾ ਲਗੇ ਨਾ ਕਛੂ ਜਾਨਿ ਪਾਏ ॥੧੮॥

त्रियो बान लै बाम पानं चलाए ॥ लगे या लगे ना कछू जानि पाए ॥१८॥

Another three I discharged with my left hand, whether they struck anybody, I do not know. 18.

ਸੋ ਤਉ ਲਉ ਦਈਵ ਜੁਧ ਕੀਨੋ ਉਝਾਰੰ ॥ ਤਿਨੈ ਖੇਦ ਕੈ ਬਾਰਿ ਕੇ ਬੀਚ ਡਾਰੰ ॥

सो तउ लउ दईव जुध कीनो उझारं ॥ तिनै खेद कै बारि के बीच डारं ॥

Then the Lord brought the end of the fight and the enemy was driven out into the river.

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ਸਾਂਗ ਸਰੋਹੀ ਸੈਫ ਅਸ ਤੀਰ ਤੁਪਕ ਤਲਵਾਰ ॥ ਸੱਤ੍ਰਾਂਤਕ ਕਵਚਾਂਤਿ ਕਰ ਕਰੀਐ ਰੱਛ ਹਮਾਰ ॥੧॥

सांग सरोही सैफ अस तीर तुपक तलवार ॥ स्त्रांतक कवचांति कर करीऐ ्रछ हमार ॥१॥

O Lord ! Protect us by creating Saang, Sarohi, Saif (Sword), As, Teer (arrow) tupak (gun), Talwaar (sword), and other weapons and armours causing the destruction of the enemies.1.

(Shaster Nam Mala)

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ਬਾਨ ਚਲੇ ਤੇਈ ਕੁੰਕਮ ਮਾਨਹੁ ਮੂਠ ਗੁਲਾਲ ਕੀ ਸਾਂਗ ਪ੍ਰਹਾਰੀ ॥ ਢਾਲ ਮਨੋ ਡਫ ਮਾਲ ਬਨੀ ਹਥ ਲਾਲ ਬੰਦੂਕ ਛੁਟੇ ਪਿਚਕਾਰੀ ॥

बान चले तेई कुंकम मानहु मूठ गुलाल की सांग प्रहारी ॥ ढाल मनो डफ माल बनी हथ लाल बंदूक छुटे पिचकारी ॥

The arrows are being discharged like the vermilion diffused in air and the blood flowing with the blows of the lances seemed like gulal (red colour); th shields have become like tabors and the guns look like the pumps;

ਸ੍ਰਉਨ ਭਰੇ ਪਟ ਬੀਰਨ ਕੇ ਉਪਮਾ ਜਨ ਘੋਰ ਕੈ ਕੇਸਰ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਖੇਲਤ ਫਾਗ ਕਿ ਬੀਰ ਲਰੈ ਨਵਲਾਸੀ ਲੀਏ ਕਰਵਾਰ ਕਟਾਰੀ ॥੧੩੮੫॥

स्रउन भरे पट बीरन के उपमा जन घोर कै केसर डारी ॥ खेलत फाग कि बीर लरै नवलासी लीए करवार कटारी ॥१३८५॥

The clothes of the warriors filled with blood appear having been saturated with dissolved saffron. The warriors carrying the swords appear carrying the sticks of flowers and playing Holi.

Note: This last quote refers to guns in the modern Panjabi term bandook.