Sacrifice At Hazur Sahib – Myth & Truth

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1. The arguement that vegetables/grain/fruit is the same as meat does not hold.

2. The jhatka way does not solve anything.

3. It proves that meat eaters have a double standard for meat and vegetables, but with the same tongue say both are the same.

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VahegurooJiKaKhalsaVahegurooJiKiFateh!

Great stuff, many thanks to you for the article.

VahegurooJiKaKhalsaVahegurooJiKiFateh!

I e-mailed Nanak Singh Nishter aswell about my finds, but he hasn't responded back yet(hasn't been long since i did it). I'll be waiting for what he has to say about it. It's something we can't ignore. Well, I believe i have an idea in which direction this finds point aswell do others that looked into it, but let's see what Mr. Nishter has to say about it.

And do if you wish present it to anyone else that is in support of Jhatka as done today to read it and see his/her response to it.

[K. SINGH DEEP]

What you mean by the following quotes from GURBANI:-

"JEEAN KUHAT NA SANGE PRANI."

and

"JO SABH MEH EK KHUDAI KAHAT HO,TAU KYON MURGI MAARE"

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What you mean by the following quotes from GURBANI:-

"JEEAN KUHAT NA SANGE PRANI."

and

"JO SABH MEH EK KHUDAI KAHAT HO,TAU KYON MURGI MAARE"

Singh, give the ang sung on which the tuks are on and which shabad you are refering too above.

[chatanga]

In the shabad I pointed out in original post, where the sugar cane is being crushed it has already been pulled out of the ground. How come Guru Nanak Dev ji is telling everyone to look at the horror of what we are doing to the sugar cane when it is being crushed.

So your theory is not even going with Gurbani. Yet meat eaters use this shabad to say look the sugar cane is suffering in pain. Here is the whole shabad so the rest can see what we are talking about.

Chatanga, by your saying the sugar cane died when it was cut, but by Guru Nanak Dev ji it dies after it is cut out and placed in the wooden rollers. Why else would it cry when it is being crushed.

do you think that the sugarcane is actually crying out or is Guru Ji using these words for an antreev message?

[Jag_Singh]

I don't think the sugercane is crying out loud.....

[K. SINGH DEEP]

"JO SABH MEH EK KHUDAI KAHAT HO TO KYO MURGI MAARE"

(Parbhati KABIR JI at ANG 1350)

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"JO SABH MEH EK KHUDAI KAHAT HO TO KYO MURGI MAARE"

(Parbhati KABIR JI at ANG 1350)

Singh, I real don't know why your presenting this tuk. because surely I know I did not present this shabad or tuk.

If you want someones take on what this means, then the meat eaters are saying this shabad is talking about the Muslim way of killing the animals as a sacrifice to God and it will purify the animal. They say Bhagat Kabir ji is question and calling their ritual wrong.

In the shabad I pointed out in original post, where the sugar cane is being crushed it has already been pulled out of the ground. How come Guru Nanak Dev ji is telling everyone to look at the horror of what we are doing to the sugar cane when it is being crushed.

So your theory is not even going with Gurbani. Yet meat eaters use this shabad to say look the sugar cane is suffering in pain. Here is the whole shabad so the rest can see what we are talking about.

Chatanga, by your saying the sugar cane died when it was cut, but by Guru Nanak Dev ji it dies after it is cut out and placed in the wooden rollers. Why else would it cry when it is being crushed.

do you think that the sugarcane is actually crying out or is Guru Ji using these words for an antreev message?

Well I took the intrepretation from your meat eating brothers. And they say the shabad is telling us the sugar cane feels pain. Does it actually cry out like an animal will while being crushed. NO

[K. SINGH DEEP]

ਮਃ ੧ ॥

ਵੇਖੁ ਜਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਟਿਆ ਕਟਿ ਕੁਟਿ ਬਧਾ ਪਾਇ ॥ ਖੁੰਢਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਨਿ ਸੁ ਮਲ ਸਜਾਇ ॥

ਰਸੁ ਕਸੁ ਟਟਰਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਤਪੈ ਤੈ ਵਿਲਲਾਇ ॥ ਭੀ ਸੋ ਫੋਗੁ ਸਮਾਲੀਐ ਦਿਚੈ ਅਗਿ ਜਾਲਾਇ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਠੈ ਪਤਰੀਐ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਲੋਕਾ ਆਇ ॥੨॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 143}

Here GURU NANAK DEV JI MAHARAJ is talking about Sugarcane and

is telling us that we first cut the Sugarcane(KAT KUT BADHA PAYE)

than crush in crusher(KHUNDA ANDER RAKH KE DEN SU MAL SAJAYE)and

there after the juice is boiled in the big pan and than it cries

(TAPPE TE VILLAYE)and again its remains are used as fuel to boil

juice of itself.

But here the Sugarcane is symbol of our selfishness or false ego or/

and MAYA DA CIRCLE around,us made by ourselves.And when our sugarcane

of ego/selfishness is crushed and its juice is boiled means we are

suffering from uncontrolled anger,we cry ,burning in the fire of anger.

Bhul chuk khima,Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh.

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ਮਃ ੧ ॥

ਵੇਖੁ ਜਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਟਿਆ ਕਟਿ ਕੁਟਿ ਬਧਾ ਪਾਇ ॥ ਖੁੰਢਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਖਿ ਕੈ ਦੇਨਿ ਸੁ ਮਲ ਸਜਾਇ ॥

ਰਸੁ ਕਸੁ ਟਟਰਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਤਪੈ ਤੈ ਵਿਲਲਾਇ ॥ ਭੀ ਸੋ ਫੋਗੁ ਸਮਾਲੀਐ ਦਿਚੈ ਅਗਿ ਜਾਲਾਇ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਠੈ ਪਤਰੀਐ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਲੋਕਾ ਆਇ ॥੨॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 143}

Here GURU NANAK DEV JI MAHARAJ is talking about Sugarcane and

is telling us that we first cut the Sugarcane(KAT KUT BADHA PAYE)

than crush in crusher(KHUNDA ANDER RAKH KE DEN SU MAL SAJAYE)and

there after the juice is boiled in the big pan and than it cries

(TAPPE TE VILLAYE)and again its remains are used as fuel to boil

juice of itself.

But here the Sugarcane is symbol of our selfishness or false ego or/

and MAYA DA CIRCLE around,us made by ourselves.And when our sugarcane

of ego/selfishness is crushed and its juice is boiled means we are

suffering from uncontrolled anger,we cry ,burning in the fire of anger.

Bhul chuk khima,Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh.

Yes, Singh the metaphor is understood. What I was pointing out is that meat eaters also say the sugar cane is suffering. This shabad is both, it has a literal meaning and the metaphorical meaning.

Since the meat eaters know where I am going with this, they will fight to death now to prove that the sugar cane doesn't suffer, going back on their first interpetation to be right. In other words they will flip, flop like a fish out of water, just to eat meat.

[chatanga]

can you point out where the meat-eaters have said this. i would like to read it as well.