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I know bhai sahib quoted all over dasam granth proving that those bani are from guru sahib, but what about charitpakyan? did bhai sahib quite from this bani?

someone who knows about the works of bhai sahib pls reply, others stop arguing about this topic.

also please provide references from bhai sahib's books.

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s50 on a previous thread posted the below

Extracts are from such books as Gurmat Bibek, Jot Vigaas, Gurmat Lekh, Gurmat Prakash

Note i've only post a few pangtee extracts from bhai sahibs books there are alot more.

ਭਾਈ ਸਾਹਬ ਭਾਈ ਰਣਧੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਲਿਖਤਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ

ਅਤੇ ਖਾਲਸਾਈ ਵੀਰ ਰੱਸ ਵਾਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ

ਮੁੱਢ ਆਦਿ ਤੇ ਦਸਮ ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬੀੜਾਂ, ਲਿਖਤੀ ਫ਼ਖ਼ਰ ਦੋਹਿ ਲਿਖਤੀਸ਼ਰੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ ।306।

(ਜੋਤਿ ਵਿਗਾਸ, ਪੰਨਾ 53)

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਪੂਜਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਅਕਾਲੀ:

ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲ ਪੂਜਕ ਕਾਲ ਰਹਿਤ ਹੋਏ, ਵੱਡ ਮਹੱਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਪੂਜੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ।

ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਚੱਕਰ ਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਖੰਡਾ, ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਸਦਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਜਾਣੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ।

ਸਦਾ ਕਾਲ ਚੇਤਾਵਣੀ ਰਹਿਤ ਰੱਖੀ, ਕਾਲਾ ਬੀਰ ਜਾਮਾ ਕਾਲ ਚੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ।

ਕਾਲ ਚੇਤੀਏ ਜਨ ਕਾਲ ਰਹਿਤ ਹੋਏ, ਵੱਡਾ ਹੌਸਲਾ ਨਿਰਭੈ ਚਿਤੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ।65।

ਕਾਲ ਰਹਿਤੀਏ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਾਲ ਪੂਜ ਹੋਏ, ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲ ਰੱਛਕ ਪੂਜੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ

ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲ ਪੂਜਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਬੀਰ ਅਕਾਲੀ, ਰਾਖਾ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਚਕਰ ਵਰਤੋਲਿਆਂ ਦਾ…।66।

(ਜੋਤਿ ਵਿਗਾਸ, ਪੰਨਾ 19)

ਜੋ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਉਚਰਿ ਹੈਂ। ਤੇ ਸਭ ਨਰਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਪਰਿ ਹੈਂ ॥32॥

- ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ, ਅਧਿਆਇ 6

ਮੇ ਕੌ ਦਾਸ ਤਵਨ ਕਾ ਜਾਨੋ। ਯਾ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਰੰਚ ਪਛਾਨੋ ॥32॥

ਮੈ ਹੋ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੋ ਦਾਸਾ॥ ਦੇਖਨ ਆਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਤਮਾਸਾ॥…33॥

- ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ, ਅਧਿਆਇ 6

ਜਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਹੂਏ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਮੂਏ॥

ਜਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈਂ॥ ਸਭੈ ਅੰਤ ਜੈ ਹੈਂ ॥70॥

ਜਿਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਬੀਤੇ॥ ਤਿਤੇ ਕਾਲ ਜੀਤੇ॥

ਜਿਤੇ ਸਰਨ ਜੈ ਹੈਂ॥ ਤਿਤਿਓ ਰਾਖ ਲੈ ਹੈਂ॥75॥

- ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ, ਅਧਿਆਇ 1

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਦੇਹ ਮਹਿ ਕੋਟਕ ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸ॥

ਕੋਟਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਵਿ ਸਸਿ ਕੋਟ ਜਲੇਸ॥1॥

- ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਅਵਾਤਰ

ਬਿਨ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਨ ਕਿਰਤਮ ਮਾਨੋ॥

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ੳਜੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਤਿਹ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਜਾਨੋ॥1॥

- ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10

ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਮਾਨਸ ਰੌਪ ਕਹਾਏ॥

ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਾਧ ਕਰ ਹਾਰੇ ਕਯੋ ਹੂੰ ਨ ਦੇਖਨ ਪਾਏ॥1॥ਰਹਾਉ॥

- ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਸ਼ਬਦ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10

ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਕੋਊ ਰਾਫਸੀ ਇਮਾਮ ਸ਼ਾਫੀ ਮਾਨਸ ਕੀ ਜਾਤ ਸਬੈ ਏਕੈ ਪਹਚਾਨਬੋ ॥… ॥15॥85॥

- ਅਕਾਲ ਉਸਤਤਿ, ਪ:10

ਧੰਨ ਜੀਓ ਤਿਹ ਕੋ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਚਿਤ ਮੈ ਜੁਧ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

- ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਅਵਤਾਰ, ਅੰਕ 2492

ਜਬ ਲਗ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਆਰਾ॥ ਤਬ ਲਗ ਤੇਜ ਦੀਓ ਮੈਂ ਸਾਰਾ॥

ਜਬ ਇਹ ਗਹੈ ਬਿਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ॥ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਰਉਂ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ॥

- ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ

ਦੋਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟ ਵਿਦ੍ਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ॥ ਬਹੁੜ ਤੀਸਰੋ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪਰਧਾਨੀ॥

(ਪ: 10, ਉਗ੍ਰਦੰਤੀ, ਛਕਾ 5)

ਘਰ ਘਰ ਹੋਇ ਬੈਠ ਹੈਂ ਰਾਮਾ….

- ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਲਕਲੀ ਅਵਤਾਰ, ਅੰਕ 12-4

ਮਨਮ ਕੁਸ਼ਤਾਅਮ ਕੋਹੀਆਂ ਬੁਤਪ੍ਰਸਤ ॥ ਕਿ ਆਂ ਬੁਤ ਪਰਸਤੰਦੋ ਮਨ ਬੁਤਸ਼ਿਕਸਤ ॥ 92॥

- ਜ਼ਫਰਨਾਮਾ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ 10

ਇਨ ਹੀ ਕੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕੇ ਸਜੇ ਹਮ ਹੈਂ ਨਹੀ ਮੋਸੋ ਗਰੀਬ ਕਰੋਰ ਪਰੇ ॥ 2॥ (645)

- ਗਿਆਨ ਪ੍ਰਬੋਧ, ਪ:10

for more info ask tapoban or www.gurmatbibek.com

any quotation from chaupai sahib our 4th prayer is from chritropakhiyaan

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This link from a forum might help us understand that Bhai Sahib was in full support of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani including Charitropakhyan.

http://www.tapoban.org/forum/read.php?1,6094

From what I know almost all famous Sikh scholars were pro-Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani, including Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, and even Giani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen. Here Giani Sant Singh Maskeen Ji talks about his vichaar.

It's a shame that certain so-called 'scholar's are now raising doubt. I have seen the "parcharak" "Giani" Jagtar Jachak going to historical Gurdwaras including those in Delhi causing confusion about Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani. These videos can be seen on the internet and even on the dsgmc website. I hope these people causing confusion and doubt will stop.

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Bhai Sahib did not quote from chitropokhian, but quoted greatly from Bachitter Natak. Also quoted from Brahma Avtar, Shabad Patshahee 10, Shabad Hazare patsahee 10, Chandee dee vaar, AkaalUstat, Raama Avtar, Krishna avatar, Shater naam mala, Chopai Sahib, Zafarnamaah, Orgardantee, laklee avtar, Jaap Sahib, Shabad Patshahee 10, Swaiye patshahee 10 and Gyaan Prabodh. As well as Sarbloh granth.

Also keep in mind Bhai sahib wrote many of there books in jail where there were no pothia, Bhai Sahib and his jail "Sajan" companions memorised all of these baania from Dasum granth and Sarbloh Granth.

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Whilst quoting from Chaupai Sahib isn't the same as quoting from the other 404 Charitrers of Charitropakhyaan, just because Bhai Sahib did not quote directly from them, it does not neccesarily mean he rejected them as Bani. There is plenty of Gurbani that is never referenced directly in any of Bhai Sahibs books this does not mean he did not believe in them. Bhai Jeevan Singh can be heard reading the "long" Chaupai Sahib including the reference to the Triya Charitra so it was in fact more likely than not that Bhai Sahib did believe Charitropakhyaan to be Gurbani.

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