Questions From Udasi, Nirmal, Sewapanthis And Nihang

[BenaresKaThug]

here are questions that Sanatan Sikhs ask the modern sikhs

there website is <banned site filter activated> and non of the texts or pictures can be copyed

to get to all the questions you need to go to <banned site filter activated> and Epilogue then questions and answers where you will find all the 24 questions.

if you post the link it doesn't work or if you copy the pictures it doesn't work.

heres some of the questions i typed out.

1. why do ancient sikh texts near unanimously say akali Nihang guru gobind singh decapitated goats and not singhs at the time of khalsa initiation.

2.If most of the sikh scriptures are prescribed by the sikh gurus to be sung according to specific raags then why are the vast majority of sikhs ignoring theses raags when singing gurbani.

3. How come the european harmonium has replaced traditional sikh classical musical instruments in sikh temples.

4. if the kirtar puri bir is the original guru durbar of the ineffable akali guru arjan dev then why are there so many mistakes in it.

5. if the akal takht jathedar is the highest individual authority in sikhism then why is he a paid employ of the SGPC and under district commissioner of punjab.

6.why is the wording of mool mantra given in the orginal source books of sikh scripture Mohan vali pothi is different than in the present day accepted sikh mool mantra.

7. If only khalsa initiated sikhs can be true sikhs as modern tat khalsa mentality sikhs contend then how do we account for the innumerable sahejdhari brahmgiani udasi nirmala sevapanthi sikhs in sikh history.

[Anand_Mangal]

The questions are from the Niddar Singh Nihang's website

Really shows they don't have much knowledge when it comes to Gurbani + its history and and prob no different to the Missionaries, just an opposite version. in summary : No sharda

1. why do ancient sikh texts near unanimously say akali Nihang guru gobind singh decapitated goats and not singhs at the time of khalsa initiation.

Interesting as Nihang Singhs of nowdays do believe that guru sahib decapitated the heads of the singhs. ' Satgur Mera maar jivaale' i guess thats the only evidence we need. think logically. have you seen 5 goats toghether and the racket they would make behind a tent? Come on lol

4. if the kirtar puri bir is the original guru durbar of the ineffable akali guru arjan dev then why are there so many mistakes in it

Please read an listen to kathas of mahapursh i.e. sant giani gurbachan singh jee khalsa ( i.e. Gurbani paath darpan ) Aadh granth sahib kartarpur bir was not fully complete as bani mahala Naava was not in it. if you see kartarpuri beer we see empty spaces for the places where guru gobind singh later added bani mahala naava. Only Guru Sahib themselves know why certain differences were made at sabo ki talwandi ( you can see a list of comparisons between kartarpuri beer and damdami beer at the end of gurbani paat darpan pothi.) It is extremely foolish to call this mistakes!

Other questions off the website.

13. If the, ‘Treh Chrittar’, found in Dasam Guru Durbar are not Sikh scripture (according to modern mainstream Sikh ideology), then why do modern institutions such as the A.K.J., S.G.P.C., Sant Samaj, etc., who hold this belief read, ‘Kabio Bach Benti Chaupai’, in their daily liturgy and also use this text when initiating new Khalsa? This text is the concluding part of the last Treh Chrittar.

This goes to show how much knowledge they have. Each institution mentioned there believe in Charitro Paakhyan as bani, Missionaries etc do not. How could they even think about including sant samaj into that list? Bunch of jokers.

. Why do the ancient Sikh historical texts such as Sarbloh Guru Durbar, Gurprtap Suraj Prakash, Naveen Panth Prakash etc. speak of 'Treh Mudra' (three adornments - kard, kachera and kesh) instead of the '5 Ks'*

(* The 5 K - kesh (unshorn hair), kara (steel/iron war bracelet), kirpan/kard (dagger), kanga (wooden comb) and kachera (breeches))?

I think the 1st thing we need to do is read SRI DASAM GRANTH SAHIB before other granths which should be studied after aad sri guru granth sahib, then dasam granth sahib.

In sri dasam granth sahib there is a small bani called nishan-e-sikhi. This bani contains the basic rehat for sikhs. in this bani the panj kakaars are mentioned as ( kara kaardo kach kanga kesh.) Such questions should be asked to vidhvaans of these granths are not public. Baba trilok singh has given a satisfactory answer about treh mudr in his CD with katha on Sarabloh granth.

14. Why do not modern mainstream Sikhs, unlike Sanatan Sikhs, acknowledge the Dasam Guru Durbar as Guru as their ancestors did in the 18th century?

Sikhs in 18th century never regarded Dasam granth Sahib As their sole Guru. They Gave it respect as Satguru Gobind Singh jee's Saroop and Bani, the embodiment of guru gobind singh jee. The guru ofcourse was satguru granth sahib jee, hence at sri darbar sahib only guru granth sahib jee was parkash, but at sri akaal thakat aad and dasam were both parkash, along with the parkash of shastars.

19. How come in Adi Guru Durbar one can find quotes to back both the argument of vegetarianism and meat-eating?

Please show me where Satguru jee Backs meat eating? NO WHERE! People take the maas maas kar moorakh jhagre shabad out of context. The time, place and reason of this shabad needs to be studied before. Please listen to giani thakur singh or sant gurbachan singh jee's katha on this shabad. No doubt will be left.

I don't know anything , so forgive my mistakes. I hope some more learned gursikhs on this website, will give more insight into these shanka invoking questions.

[Anand_Mangal]

Gurbani Path darpan can be viewed here : http://www.scribd.com/doc/25264056/gurbani-path-darpan

[kam1825]

1. why do ancient sikh texts near unanimously say akali Nihang guru gobind singh decapitated goats and not singhs at the time of khalsa initiation.

No idea but most scriptures do state this but there is no evidence of it. The questions are who brought the goats, where from, howmuch did they cost, who put them in the tent, how come the sangat heard no noise from the goats, where were the goats when the tent was lifted?

2.If most of the sikh scriptures are prescribed by the sikh gurus to be sung according to specific raags then why are the vast majority of sikhs ignoring theses raags when singing gurbani.

Keertanis are becoming increasingly lazy and do not follow maryada and keertan parampara due to ignorance

3. How come the european harmonium has replaced traditional sikh classical musical instruments in sikh temples.

Its easier to use but it is difficult to do all the raags and mishrat raags with this instrument. plus it does not have the beautiful vibe you get from stringed instruments

4. if the kirtar puri bir is the original guru durbar of the ineffable akali guru arjan dev then why are there so many mistakes in it.

not dont the darshan of it so i cant go into this question

5. if the akal takht jathedar is the highest individual authority in sikhism then why is he a paid employ of the SGPC and under district commissioner of punjab.

That is the cause of the SGPC movement

6.why is the wording of mool mantra given in the orginal source books of sikh scripture Mohan vali pothi is different than in the present day accepted sikh mool mantra.

It differs due to how people have heard it an written it down wrong.

7. If only khalsa initiated sikhs can be true sikhs as modern tat khalsa mentality sikhs contend then how do we account for the innumerable sahejdhari brahmgiani udasi nirmala sevapanthi sikhs in sikh history.

These sampardas were started and continued during the times of the Sikh. The Term Khalsa existed before the 1699 event of vaisakhi. the 6th and 9th guru used the word khalsa dfor the sikhs and it was used for those who follow the guru. The other sampardas all follow the sri guru granth sahib ji as their isht dev