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    • A little random, but I'll post it anyway People in older days seemed to be fitter and healthier ; I mean, they generally walked more, and ate less rubbish. They were forced to be more physically healthy by way of life.  They likely had better mental health, as they would not have been using technology like phone/PC/TV/audio/whatsapp to fill their minds with rubbish like most of us do, and which has driven materialism to extreme levels They would have had better diet with fresher food, less ready-made foods and less junk snacks and drinks. They would have eaten food in peace with family, not whilst watching TV Apparently (for those who know about acupressure and ayurveda) walking bare-foot is also good for the nervous system and brain; people walk less bare foot nowadays. Squatting to open bowels is known to reduce incidence of gastrointestinal cancer.  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305362118_Etiology_of_Diverticulosis Some of these things are common sense, some of these things we do not /find it difficult to get away from as they make our lives a lot easier   What of these above factors do you actively try to control in your life? Do they discourage us from doing a lot of these things because they have vested interests? Anyone know about any race/tribe of people who follow these older ways as much as possible ? Is meat-eating in history, a myth? Has it been exaggerated by those in the meat industry to brainwash people that eating meat is normal? Were most people in the past vegetarian by choice (I know meat is supposedly food of wealthy and hunters)  
    • Is it used properly though? Many people (not all) become dependent on it. True, but I also haven't seen anything that supports it either. Here's an excerpt from a book by Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera Wale - https://www.sikhbookclub.com/Book/Intoxicant-Enemy-of-Humanity   Bhul Chuk Maaf 🙏
    • @Redoptics Isn't a missionary. I think you're missing his point.  Not speaking on behalf of source, but speaking to the point redoptics was trying to make.  Use Gurbani to understand Gurbani. You can do that. 
    • The marijuana fish wine consumer is referencing a specific tradition of person. Not anyone who properly uses Sukha.  The second references no longer needing it.  Nothing in Gurbani is against Sukha. It's ground into the floors of Gurudwaras and the Gurus had Degh Sevadars. Anyone with a problem with Sukha have white folks in their brains. Which is why they're alcoholics usually. 
    • This is a very confusing topic: http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||   Here's an excerpt from Guru Nanak Chamatkar that (to me) addressed the use of intoxicants for spiritual purposes.   I once read a book (forgot which one) that said that bhang helps with keeping away hunger which is why it may have been used in war, along with treating injuries. Then over time it became common to use in small amounts and by Britisher times, it was used in excess.   Personally I wouldn't want to use bhang to help my Simran. http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੨ Tilang, First Mehla, Second House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਭਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਂਗ ਖਲੜੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ The Fear of You, O Lord God, is my marijuana; my consciousness is the pouch which holds it. ਮੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਅਤੀਤੁ ॥ I have become an intoxicated hermit. ਕਰ ਕਾਸਾ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਖ ॥ My hands are my begging bowl; I am so hungry for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਉ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤ ॥੧॥ I beg at Your Door, day after day. ||1|| ਤਉ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਉ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ I long for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਤੁ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ I am a beggar at Your Door - please bless me with Your charity. ||1||Pause|| ਕੇਸਰਿ ਕੁਸਮ ਮਿਰਗਮੈ ਹਰਣਾ ਸਰਬ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਚੜੑਣਾ ॥ Saffron, flowers, musk oil and gold embellish the bodies of all. ਚੰਦਨ ਭਗਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਇਨੇਹੀ ਸਰਬੇ ਪਰਮਲੁ ਕਰਣਾ ॥੨॥ The Lord's devotees are like sandalwood, which imparts its fragrance to everyone. ||2|| ਘਿਅ ਪਟ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ No one says that ghee or silk are polluted. ਐਸਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਵਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ Such is the Lord's devotee, no matter what his social status is. ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਨਿਵੇ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥ Those who bow in reverence to the Naam, the Name of the Lord, remain absorbed in Your Love. ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਦਰਿ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥ Nanak begs for charity at their door. ||3||1||2||   So that's what my opinion is right now, feel free to change it or educate me as I don't know much about bhang 😜   Bhul Chuk Maaf 🙏
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