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None of that makes other people look extraordinarly bad. It just shows that our girls are extraordinarly thick, simple, gullible and mentally retarded compared to other girls.

A Puratan Jathebandi that has gifted the Khalsa Panth with gems is by default in Chardi Kala to the max 24/7. Just a reminder, Sikhsangat.com does NOT tolerate the least bit of insult, even if its indirect, to ANY Panthic Jathebandi. Thought I'd add that Carry on................

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No no no no no. We are Sikhs. Our name translates as 'learners' or 'scholars'. Thus surely we are supposed to learn some lessons from what is happening around us ? Surely when we see how the biggest threat to Sikhism today is the culture of 'deras' and 'babas' we can see what part we ourselves play in both the problem and the solution ? The fact is that we are Punjabis, and Punjabis, by nature, have difficulty in distinguishing what is in the acceptable part of the thin line and what is unacceptable. Thus, when we bow down to older citizens we are, in effect, giving the green light for our poorer cousins to bow down to older charlatans. Let me put it another way : Imagine you've just gone on holiday to Punjab. You've landed in Delhi, been driven up to Punjab and the first thing you wanna do is do darshan in the village gurdwara. Imagine, while your suitcases etc are still in the taxi, as you approach the inside of the Gurdwara, your grandfathers brother is sitting on a manjha there. Imagine now that another fellow traveller is videoing your holiday. You say its good and proper to bow down to older citizens so naturally you will bow down to to your grandfathers brother before you go in and bow down to to your Guru. This is all on videotape and it soon ends up on youtube and then becomes a topic of a thread on this forum. What do you think we are gonna say when we see a Sikh bowing down to a fellow mortal before she bows to down to Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji ? The excuse you are gonna give is exactly the same excuse that all those 'sikhs' in Punjab who bow down to babe at deras give. They, just as you will, say that they're just showing respect, thats all. Do you see what I'm saying ? I'm saying exactly what my parents and grandparents tought me when I ws little. They said amongst us Punjabis it is a thin line between respect and worship. They told me never to bow down and touch the feet of them or any of my relatives because that is a leftover of the Hindu culture that our forefathers left behind. You show genuine respect to your elders by speaking to them with respect, treating them with respect, and by doing things in life that grow their respect. That, is the way of the Sikh, my elders taught me. My elders taught me that the Hindus hang pictures of their elders and pray to those pictures and touching the feet of them is just an extension of that. I explained this fact on the first page of this thread. It didn't register to you people then so I doubt it will now. But the fact remains that the practice is not only totally incompatible with Sikhism it is socially harmfull. Just look what our brethren in Punjab are doing.......We need to set them the right example. Not the wrong one.

The current situation (lack of love and respect between akj, taksal (and perhaps other samperdava) is mainly due to the Indian State machinary (government, intelligence) policy of divide and rule (which they learnt from the British). After Independance, the Indian State slowly weakened the Akali Dal as a panthic power base of the Sikhs. Then they wanted to weaken the influence of Gursikhs mainly in akj and Bhindranwala Jatha who were doing Sikhi parchar and amrit sanchars. They did this intially by "killing" off the active members during the militancy years of the 1980's and 90's. After 1984, the state started to exploit the differences (e.g. raagmala, keski, etc) to divide and weaken the Sikhs further. Before 1984, the sikhs (not just only the mahapurks) had mutual respect for each other and always celebrated the common values, rather than look at the differences. If the state machinary fully acomplish this policy, they will use this policy to further divide the other samperdava and other jathebandia with the goal of destroying the panth as an active and seperate community.

No...you can't "break" your Amrit like this. Its all about the circumstances and intentions.

i dont think the name was changed, the name DamDami Taksal was adopted, already the other Taksal branch was known as the Amritsar Taksal. Guru Gobind Singh Ji never gave a formal name to Gian Samprda, it was just known by Sikhs as Gian Samprda. I would put the adoption of the name Damdami Taksal down to evolution.

^ Pehri pehna or something like that

Learn to put things in perspective, people. 'Sikhs' are not just you who are men. 50% of Sikhs are females. Each day of every week of every month of every year you will find a news stories of a man with a sikh name doing a hideously bad thing. If the 50% of Sikhs that are females reacted the same irrational way that you lot do Sikhi would be long dead by now. Don't criticise Sikh females. Learn from them. Learn about proportionality. Lets sort our own massive male problem first...then consider sorting the relatively tiny female problem.