immortal57

I get the feeling from your cyber-tone that it would not be a good idea to argue with you. However, I am very sure there are thousands of meanings of the word Jio in Gurbani. I don't think we should rely solely on the translations used on STTM. I don't know very much about Gurbani, so I'm not going to say anything else : ) no i agree with you we should not rely soley on sttm nor should we rely soley on prof sahib singhs teeka we should rely soley on gurbani we should read as much gurbani as we can and we can see where the word jio is used and in what context and from that we should be able to build up a picture on what it means in each context. perhaps you could provide some gurbani tuks which supports your idea of the soul being pure? and i doubt very much there are thousands of different meanings for the word jio if so perhaps you would like to tell us a few of them? im sorry if my cyber tone sounded offensive im merely trying to see where you came up with your theory from im just asking questions please provide gurbani to back up your ideas and we can disuss them in a nice calm manner :-)

ok the page u gave, the font does not show up in this pc if jeeara means life, then explain the tuk "paapi jeeara lobh karat hai aaj kaal uth jaahiga" also expain this tuk jIArw hir ky gunw gwau ]1] rhwau ] jeearaa har kae gunaa gaao ||1|| rehaao || O my soul, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1||Pause|| if you do not take jeeara to mean soul how about this shsY jIau mlIxu hY ikqu sMjim Doqw jwey ] sehasai jeeo maleen hai kith sa(n)jam dhhothaa jaaeae || The soul is polluted by skepticism; how can it be cleansed?................................................................................ ............ ijsu jIau AMqru mYlw hoie ] jis jeeo a(n)thar mailaa hoe || If someone's soul is polluted within, qIrQ BvY idsMqr loie ] theerathh bhavai dhisa(n)thar loe || what is the use of his traveling to sacred shrines of pilgrimage all over the world?................................................................................ ............................................. mYlw hir ky nwm ibnu jIau ] mailaa har kae naam bin jeeo || Without the Name of the Lord, the soul is polluted. iqin pRiB swcY Awip BulwieAw ibKY TgaurI pIau ]1] rhwau ] thin prabh saachai aap bhulaaeiaa bikhai t(h)agouree peeo ||1|| rehaao || The True Lord God has Himself administered the intoxicating drug of corruption, and led the mortal astray. ||1||Pause|| or does jio mean life as well? if so maybe you could tell me what the word for "soul" is in gurbani?

jeeara 2nd word of 2nd tuk

kbIru ] mwrU ] kabeer || maaroo || Kabeer, Maaroo: rwmu ismru pCuqwihgw mn ] raam simar pashhuthaahigaa man || Meditate in remembrance on the Lord, or else you will regret it in the end, O mind. pwpI jIArw loBu krqu hY Awju kwil auiT jwihgw ]1] rhwau ] paapee jeearaa lobh karath hai aaj kaal out(h) jaahigaa ||1|| rehaao || O sinful soul, you act in greed, but today or tomorrow, you will have to get up and leave. ||1||Pause|| lwlc lwgy jnmu gvwieAw mwieAw Brm Bulwihgw ] laalach laagae janam gavaaeiaa maaeiaa bharam bhulaahigaa || Clinging to greed, you have wasted your life, deluded in the doubt of Maya. Dn jobn kw grbu n kIjY kwgd ijau gil jwihgw ]1] dhhan joban kaa garab n keejai kaagadh jio gal jaahigaa ||1|| Do not take pride in your wealth and youth; you shall crumble apart like dry paper. ||1|| jau jmu Awie kys gih ptkY qw idn ikCu n bswihgw ] jo jam aae kaes gehi pattakai thaa dhin kishh n basaahigaa || When the Messenger of Death comes and grabs you by the hair, and knocks you down, on that day, you shall be powerless. ismrnu Bjnu dieAw nhI kInI qau muiK cotw Kwihgw ]2] simaran bhajan dhaeiaa nehee keenee tho mukh chottaa khaahigaa ||2|| You do not remember the Lord, or vibrate upon Him in meditation, and you do not practice compassion; you shall be beaten on your face. ||2|| Drm rwie jb lyKw mwgY ikAw muKu lY kY jwihgw ] dhharam raae jab laekhaa maagai kiaa mukh lai kai jaahigaa || When the Righteous Judge of Dharma calls for your account, what face will you show Him then? khqu kbIru sunhu ry sMqhu swDsMgiq qir jWihgw ]3]1] kehath kabeer sunahu rae sa(n)thahu saadhhasa(n)gath thar jaa(n)higaa ||3||1|| Says Kabeer, listen, O Saints: in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you shall be saved. ||3||1||

enough of these "marriage/dating" threads already there have been LOADS make yourself a member and do a search

who cares if a woman doesnt want to marry you because you have a dhari then shes not a singhni let your parents sort out your marriage there have been too many of these stupid topics if you want to get marrried or having trouble getting married go to some matrimonial site

This Shabad is by Bhagat Naam Dev Ji in Raag Bhairao on Pannaa 1164 mY baurI myrw rwmu Bqwru ] I am crazy - the Lord is my Husband. ric ric qw kau krau isMgwru ]1] I decorate and adorn myself for Him. ||1|| Bly inMdau Bly inMdau Bly inMdau logu ] Slander me well, slander me well, slander me well, O people. qnu mnu rwm ipAwry jogu ]1] rhwau ] My body and mind are united with my Beloved Lord. ||1||Pause|| bwdu ibbwdu kwhU isau n kIjY ] Do not engage in any arguments or debates with anyone. rsnw rwm rswienu pIjY ]2] With your tongue, savor the Lord's sublime essence. ||2|| Ab jIA jwin AYsI bin AweI ] Now, I know within my soul, that such an arrangement has been made; imlau gupwl nIswnu bjweI ]3] I will meet with my Lord by the beat of the drum. ||3|| ausqiq inMdw krY nru koeI ] Anyone can praise or slander me. nwmy sRIrMgu Bytl soeI ]4]4] Naam Dayv has met the Lord. ||4||4||

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...595379831425618

broadcast is on :s

"edit"

soriT mhlw 1 ] Sorat'h, First Mehla: ijsu jl iniD kwrix qum jig Awey so AMimRqu gur pwhI jIau ] The treasure of the Name, for which you have come into the world - that Ambrosial Nectar is with the Guru. Cofhu vysu ByK cqurweI duibDw iehu Plu nwhI jIau ]1] Renounce costumes, disguises and clever tricks; this fruit is not obtained by duplicity. ||1|| mn ry iQru rhu mqu kq jwhI jIau ] O my mind, remain steady, and do not wander away. bwhir FUFq bhuqu duKu pwvih Gir AMimRqu Gt mwhI jIau ] rhwau ] By searching around on the outside, you shall only suffer great pain; the Ambrosial Nectar is found within the home of your own being. ||Pause|| Avgux Coif guxw kau Dwvhu kir Avgux pCuqwhI jIau ] Renounce corruption, and seek virtue; committing sins, you shall only come to regret and repent. sr Apsr kI swr n jwxih iPir iPir kIc bufwhI jIau ]2] You do not know the difference between good and evil; again and again, you sink into the mud. ||2|| AMqir mYlu loB bhu JUTy bwhir nwvhu kwhI jIau ] Within you is the great filth of greed and falsehood; why do you bother to wash your body on the outside? inrml nwmu jphu sd gurmuiK AMqr kI giq qwhI jIau ]3] Chant the Immaculate Naam, the Name of the Lord always, under Guru's Instruction; only then will your innermost being be emancipated. ||3|| prhir loBu inMdw kUVu iqAwghu scu gur bcnI Plu pwhI jIau ] Let greed and slander be far away from you, and renounce falsehood; through the True Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall obtain the true fruit. ijau BwvY iqau rwKhu hir jIau jn nwnk sbid slwhI jIau ]4]9] As it pleases You, You preserve me, Dear Lord; servant Nanak sings the Praises of Your Shabad. ||4||9||

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry313191

yeah that's true, i either do that sitting down or lying down wjkk wjkf to respect bani, please never lie down while doing shri kirtan sohela. please always sit and do the paath and standup and do the ardaas, as we always do in any gurughar. wjkk wjkf if you are reciting gurbani from memory it is fine to lie down

guru gobind singh jee had no enemity in his mind he was fighting for justice not for revenge did you not read my post? the past gurus picked up the sword to fight for JUSTICE, not to fight for land yes i am all for fighting for justice you didnt answer the questions who would run this peice of land? where would the "khalsa" of khalistan be as punjab is mainly moneh, alcoholics and druggies. i think you are confused we do not have a problem with the person who shot the dad, we have the problem with their actions we should kill the action, if that means killing the person then so be it. but that is not your mind set, your mind set is full of hate and enemity, that is not what gurbani teaches also, why the difference? gurbani says look on all poeple as alike, so if your dad gets shot or if a random man in the street gets shot, it should be the same, que non? ok im done in this thread if you want khalistan go to india, and start it

1. just because baba jarnail singh said that we should have khalistan doesnt mean khalistan is great 2. if there were to be a khalistan now, in punjab, where would the "khalsa" of this khalistan be? most people would be moneh, thats not "khalistan" 3. who would run this "khalistan"? someone asked, "what would you do if someone shot your dad" the actual reply should be, to forgive the shooter, isnt that what gurbani says? to forgive people? not to have enemity against anyone? DnwsrI mÚ 5 ] Dhanaasaree, Fifth Mehla: kir ikrpw dIE moih nwmw bMDn qy Cutkwey ] Granting His Grace, God has blessed me with His Name, and released me of my bonds. mn qy ibsirE sglo DMDw gur kI crxI lwey ]1] I have forgotten all worldly entanglements, and I am attached to the Guru's feet. ||1|| swDsMig icMq ibrwnI CwfI ] In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, I have renounced my other cares and anxieties. AhMbuiD moh mn bwsn dy kir gfhw gwfI ]1] rhwau ] I dug a deep pit, and buried my egotistical pride, emotional attachment and the desires of my mind. ||1||Pause|| nw ko myrw dusmnu rihAw nw hm iks ky bYrweI ] No one is my enemy, and I am no one's enemy. bRhmu pswru pswirE BIqir siqgur qy soJI pweI ]2] God, who expanded His expanse, is within all; I learned this from the True Guru. ||2|| sBu ko mIqu hm Awpn kInw hm sBnw ky swjn ] I am a friend to all; I am everyone's friend. dUir prwieE mn kw ibrhw qw mylu kIE myrY rwjn ]3] When the sense of separation was removed from my mind, then I was united with the Lord, my King. ||3|| ibnisE FITw AMimRqu vUTw sbdu lgo gur mITw ] My stubbornness is gone, Ambrosial Nectar rains down, and the Word of the Guru's Shabad seems so sweet to me. jil Qil mhIAil srb invwsI nwnk rmeIAw fITw ]4]3] He is pervading everywhere, in the water, on the land and in the sky; Nanak beholds the all-pervading Lord. ||4||3|| we should fight for justice, not for land if singhs/singhnia are being mistreated in india, yes we should fight for them, and fight for their rights, but why fight for a piece of land?

pauVI ] Pauree: kIqw loVIAY kMmu su hir pih AwKIAY ] Whatever work you wish to accomplish-tell it to the Lord. kwrju dyie svwir siqgur scu swKIAY ] He will resolve your affairs; the True Guru gives His Guarantee of Truth. sMqw sMig inDwnu AMimRqu cwKIAY ] In the Society of the Saints, you shall taste the treasure of the Ambrosial Nectar. BY BMjn imhrvwn dws kI rwKIAY ] The Lord is the Merciful Destroyer of fear; He preserves and protects His slaves. nwnk hir gux gwie AlKu pRBu lwKIAY ]20] O Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and see the Unseen Lord God. ||20|| bhai apardeep singh does this shabad. any audio links would be much appreicated

i think it would be great if your mate continued with this seva

for those who have said it doesnt matter who organises the amrit sanchar (singh bling, k_z), be honest now, if the day before you took amrit, there was an amrit sanchar organised by akj, would you have taken amrit? the answer is so obviously no. your views reflect the views of damdami taksal jatha therefore why would you take amrit where the rehit given opposes your views. there have been posts before asking for an amrit sanchar organised by taksal, may i ask where was khalistan zindabad ans singh bling then? why didnt you two tell the person not to bother about jatha then? if someone wishes to take amrit where the rehit is followed that they belive to be the true rehit, what is wrong with that? if someone wishes to be taught how to jap naam swaas swaas what is wrong with that? and to khalistan zindabad, i know you didnt state which jatha were oragnising the amrit sanchar this saturday, but it isnt akj, like the original post asked for. the view of "lets take amrit anywhere" doesnt seem like a wise one to me. some panj say you only have 2 do 3 baniaa for nitnem, some say you can wear jewelry, some say you can eat meat if its not halal. you should take amrit where the rehit given is correct and the panj pyare have a lot of kamaee. waiting for an amrit sanchar where you belive the correct rehit is given is better than rushing into an amrit sanchar where a rehit that you dont follow is given. for example, if i have done my research and came up with the conclusion that keski is the 5th kakaar, why would i take amrit at an amrit sanchar where the panj are saying that kes is the 5th kakaar? what is the problem if someone wants to take amrit where they belive guru gobind singh jees rehit is strictly abided by? yes your view might be "naam drir is given at every amrit sanchar" that doesnt make your view correct the majority of ppl who think its wrong to amrit from an akj orgniased amrit sanchaar have negative feeling towards akj in the first place.

mÚ 3 ] Third Mehla: ikAwjwxwikvmrhgykYswmrxwhoie ] What do I know? How will I die? What sort of death will it be? jykirswihbumnhunvIsrYqwsihlwmrxwhoie ] If I do not forget the Lord Master from my mind, then my death will be easy. mrxYqyjgqufrYjIivAwloVYsBukoie ] The world is terrified of death; everyone longs to live. gurprswdIjIvqumrYhukmYbUJYsoie ] By Guru's Grace, one who dies while yet alive, understands the Lord's Will. nwnkAYsImrnIjomrYqwsdjIvxuhoie ]2] O Nanak, one who dies such a death, lives forever. ||2||

if you read the first post reeeeealy carefully bhai sahib, you might just be able to see that the poster asked for an amrit sanchar organised by akj. therefore your answer is slightly pointless bhai sahib

thank you all for all your replies. Is there the slightest chance that there may be one earlier? the next planned amrit sanchar is in march if you wish to take amrit earlier you could get in contact with the jathedar and ask if that could be arranged

march 22nd 2008 southall

http://www.sevatothemax.com/pictures/main....;g2_itemId=3634

gauVI bYrwgix mhlw 4 ] Gauree Bairaagan, Fourth Mehla: kMcn nwrI mih jIau luBqu hY mohu mITw mwieAw ] The soul of the man is lured by gold and women; emotional attachment to Maya is so sweet to him. Gr mMdr GoVy KusI mnu An ris lwieAw ] The mind has become attached to the pleasures of houses, palaces, horses and other enjoyments. hir pRBu iciq n AwveI ikau CUtw myry hir rwieAw ]1] The Lord God does not even enter his thoughts; how can he be saved, O my Lord King? ||1|| myry rwm ieh nIc krm hir myry ] O my Lord, these are my lowly actions, O my Lord. guxvMqw hir hir dieAwlu kir ikrpw bKis Avgx siB myry ]1] rhwau ] O Lord, Har, Har, Treasure of Virtue, Merciful Lord: please bless me with Your Grace and forgive me for all my mistakes. ||1||Pause|| ikCu rUpu nhI ikCu jwiq nwhI ikCu FMgu n myrw ] I have no beauty, no social status, no manners. ikAw muhu lY bolh gux ibhUn nwmu jipAw n qyrw ] With what face am I to speak? I have no virtue at all; I have not chanted Your Name. hm pwpI sMig gur aubry puMnu siqgur kyrw ]2] I am a sinner, saved only by the Company of the Guru. This is the generous blessing of the True Guru. ||2|| sBu jIau ipMfu muKu nku dIAw vrqx kau pwxI ] He gave all beings souls, bodies, mouths, noses and water to drink. AMnu Kwxw kpVu pYnxu dIAw rs Ain BogwxI ] He gave them corn to eat, clothes to wear, and other pleasures to enjoy. ijin dIey su iciq n AwveI psU hau kir jwxI ]3] But they do not remember the One who gave them all this. The animals think that they made themselves! ||3|| sBu kIqw qyrw vrqdw qUM AMqrjwmI ] You made them all; You are all-pervading. You are the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts. hm jMq ivcwry ikAw krh sBu Kylu qum suAwmI ] What can these wretched creatures do? This whole drama is Yours, O Lord and Master. jn nwnku hwit ivhwiJAw hir gulm gulwmI ]4]6]12]50] Servant Nanak was purchased in the slave-market. He is the slave of the Lord's slaves. ||4||6||12||50||

mhlw 2 ] Second Mehla: eyh iknyhI cwkrI ijqu Bau Ksm n jwie ] What sort of service is this, by which the fear of the Lord Master does not depart? nwnk syvku kwFIAY ij syqI Ksm smwie ]2] O Nanak, he alone is called a servant, who merges with the Lord Master. ||2||