I humbly bow

for some reason that made the hairs on the back of my arm stand up! I didn't know that about 12oclock, i guess bollywood can teach you something! wjkk wjkf

No way! my mum bought a whole set of guru stories books from them, i'll make sure i tell her never to get anything from them again! They got what they deserved...and for once the police standing back and watching was a good thing wjkk wjkf

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I get that sometimes, its usually when i hear some amazing kirtan! Once i got up really early in my old house and was doing my paath then when i was doing the ardas, someone kept poking me in my back and i was all alone in the room, i didn't turn round! Then i rubbed my back where i was being poked and it stopped, im pretty sure that house is haunted! Scary!

I cant read punjabi can someone translate please?

This looks really good, What time does it start and end?

Ok well the observations i wrote above still apply to steps 1 and 2 (thats the 2 colourless solutions separating into layers, The separation wont be there for long in step 1 because of the ethanol). You are testing pH changes; methyl orange should be yellow or light orange when you put it in the solution and then as you add the acid it should turn to red eventually. Or maybe dark orange, methyl orange isn't that good as an indicator! The Acid will make the benzoic acid preciptate out...im not sure on this but i think it will be a dark orange colour becuse of the methyl orange staining the banzoic acid, and methyl orange takes on a dark orange/red colour with acids Anyway it will be a white powder (or whiter powder) after recrystallistion Thats all i can think of im sure its everything tho! Oh and btw its penji not paa jee good luck with the write up!

aww so cute!

That was nice!

FORGOT to take observations! Where’s my jooti?! I’ll bail you out this time, but next time make notes on everything that happens when you do an experiment OK! All I needed to know from the procedure is what solvent your using as the OH donor. I think in coll you’d be using water (really slow reaction) or sodium hydroxide (much faster than water) Well both are colourless so the observations will be the same. Methyl benzoate is an colourless organic species and it doesn’t mix well with aqueous stuff like H20 and NaOH, so we say that NaOH and methyl benzoate are immiscible. So basically if you add the two chemicals to a flask they will separate and form 2 layers. They react at the site where they meet. Actually even if you took observations this is hard to see! Because there both colourless. But since methyl benzoate is less dense that NaOH/water it will sit on top as the organic layer. The water/NaOH will be underneath – the aqueous layer. It should look kinda like a clear oil layer on top of clear water. You’d probably do this reaction under reflux, heat with a stirring bead to get them to mix and react, but again I don’t have your procedure. Anyway while it’s refluxing you’ll get droplets of stuff that looks like oil on the side of the flask, when these are all gone and the mixture stops separating, the reaction is complete. Should still be a colourless liquid at this stage. This is the saponification stage. Then you need something that will make the benzoic acid crystallise out, so obviously a acid like HCl or H2SO4 im sure you probably used one of them in this expt. This will give you crude benzoic acid. Ive only ever used benzoic acid as a liquid so I don’t know what it looks like as a solid, but as a rule of thumb generally a colourless liquid is a white powder. But this is crude so I’d say that it would have been a cream or off-white solid due to impurities, Then you did recrystallisation yeah, so it should be a white powder if you did the recrystallisation really well (unlikely at coll), or a whiter powder than it was before the recrystallisation (more likely to have happened). That should help, I’ve got a busy week at work next week, so if you don’t understand any of it, you might have to wait a while for a reply. Remember to include diagram equations as well as the worded equations in your report.

beautiful! thanks for this penji! wjkk wjkf

moles are easy! post a question your stuck on, i'll go through it with you :-)

thats cool lol, yeah send me the procedure please, have you actually done this experiement yet or is the coursework the planning? for hazards google the chemical name and click on a site that sells it; they have to give you all the hazard info e.g. methyl benzoate - HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO EYES AND SKIN. COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES; LAB COAT; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER

Ive just graduated in Chemistry, so i should know this lol What do you mean by observations? Are you talking colour changes? pH? what solvent have they told you it's performed in? send me the actual question they've asked you, i'll have a look at it!

there has NEVER and WILL NEVER bee a battle between Sikhi and Islam bocs it is the mind that initiates battle NOT Religion itself.................lovely sakhi thank ju for sharing............. :WW: Sorry i didn't mean it to sound like a battle between islam and sikhism, i meant that people from the two religions can coincide peacefully together, it's the indeviduals that create tension! wjkk wjkf

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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo thats not good! go out? talk? that is dating!!! sikhs should not be dating leave it to your parents they will find a suitable match for you. Hey well although parents are usually right, this matching up business doesn't always work. My parents matched me up with a boy last year and all the people who we talked to about it beforehand said, he's not very good looking but he's a very good boy, good family, your daughter will be happy there. Now i'm more of a personality person that looks so I didn't mind him being not so good looking and after a 20min conversation with him, i decided after a talk with my parents to go ahead with it. then a few weeks before we were due to get officially engaged, i was walking home from uni one day and crossing at the traffic lights, his car was stopped at the lights and he was sitting there with some friends, but when he saw me he started to try to hide his face. Then i started havign serious doubts about this, i thought i don't really know this guy at all, why was he trying to hide from me i don't understand. So i spoke to my brother about this, and being overprotective as they are they got a few of their friends to basically stalk this guy for two days. Turns out hes got a girlfriend, but becuase shes black he couldn't tell his parents and was going ahead with it only to keep them happy, and wouldve kept his girlfriend on the side. Oh and he also drank alcohol like it's water and according to my brother's friends who followed him to this pub, said he got very aggressive after a few drinks and almost started a fight! Im so glad i found this out before i ruined my life! I think you need to know the person your marrying becuase it is a LIFE LONG commitment. Not dating, but talking to your proposed life partner is very important! Oh and another thing we learnt is that when you ask people what so-and-so's son is like they may be lying, like this other guy my parents tried to set me up with. Actually i'm really naive and i spoke to this guy for 2 hours and i thought this guy totally understands me im very happy with this, and then my brothers did a bit of digging (after what happened last time) and found out that this guy smokes pot! he was just very good at pulling the wool over my eyes! So parents CAN get it wrong! As for the question of the topic, personally im happy with a 70/30 split on personality and looks! there has to be some physical attraction, but what i find is that, someone who you would say is not very good looking, suddenly seems alot more good looking if they have a really great personality.

Good hearing this again, shows there wern't always problems between muslims and sikhs! waheguru

Hey sure, it’s part of a 4 book series called illustrated life stories, this story is from part 2; Guru Angad Dev Ji, Guru Amar Das Ji, Guru Ram Das Ji Author is Dr Ajit Singh Aulakh and the publishers are Chattar Singh and Jiwan Singh Theres a website in the book www.csjs.com but I haven’t been on there, I think it’s the publishers web address Hope that helps Wjkk wjkf

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Waheguru Thank you penji! I didn't know anything about 1984 untill my 2nd year of uni, and that was only due to sikh soc. It's good to read some of the shaeedia made by indeviduals leading up and during the event, it's through this rememberance that we can make sure these events don't happen again. :WW: :WW:

Any references would be good. If you google it there are loads of references, I found this one particularily interesting, this bit wasn't included in the book http://www.sikhs.org/guru3.htm 'With a view of providing the Sikhs with a place where they could have a holy dip while visiting Goindwal the Guru had a type of deep open water reservoir called a baoli dug. As the Hindus believed in reincarnation in 84 hundred thousand species, Guru Amar Das had the well dug with exactly 84 steps. To symbolize that God could be reached through his remembrance rather than just a cycle of reincarnations he declared that who ever would descend the 84 steps for a bath while reciting the Japji of Guru Nanak at each step would be freed from the cycles of births and deaths. ' My mum recently brought back a collection of books on the life stories of the sikh Guru's, and me and my sister are slowly working our way through them. We would have been working through them faster is she hadn't brought the Harry Potter book set aswell I've wanted to visit, but it takes me 30mins to do japji sahib (an improvement on the 80mins it used to take me when I first started), so it'd be REALLY difficult to get all the way to the bottem - at least 42 hours. Hopefully i'll be able to do it one day! wjkk wjkf

ooh a few from bham uni then, i've just graduated from there....but make sure you join the sikh soc they're really good! Im so grateful for having met some amazing people there! I'm guna try and come back to help with sikhi week, and maybe freshers, depending on the job situation. So maybe see you in a week or so!