Harvinder singh Babbar

they mock it indirectly all the time.

EDITED - No post attacking Dasam Granth is allowed. A banned user is not allowed to post. Next time you post posts like this you will be given a warning. Speak for yourself only.

he has no need to apologise hindus have insulted sikhs many many times in their bollywood crapy films and wot not. big deal. sardars r made to look like complete clowns by hindus in their movies im happy he did this good on him.

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its a fake.

PARNAAM SHAHEEDA NU. AKALLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOO

ur right inder singh no point wasting time on matters which we shudnt even be questioning, never liked harmanjeets motives, he wont achieve anything. fateh singhs

i asked harmanjit to reply to your guys responses and he still hasnt lol....

ok inder when he comes online i will ask him, why dont u add him and ask him too, u wud prolly be able to give him better responses then me as my knowledge on dg aint as superior as yours. fateh

if you guys stilll think im lieing, then here he said u can add him and have a open debate regarding DG mannharm66@hotmail.com

woah fellas, i havent questioned the dasam granth but was having a debate with this guy who is anti dasam granth and said hes been banned from this forum for asking questions regarding the dasma granth. IM FOR THE DASAM GRANTH not against and completly dis agree with that guys logic on the granth. but i guess when he reads your guys responses he will give me some more stuff to ask you lot, their no harm in asking questions i suppose so dont start assuming im on his side. I dont questiones dasam pitas writings in any way wotsoever and regarding russia i will asking him what hes refering to. the funny thing is i asked him why does he eat jathka then and he gave me 2 lines from sggs which il also ask from him again and show you guys. Harvinder It is very strange that you got answer so quickly. How do you get the answer? Do you write it? i didnt write anything i just copied and pasted his response because hes banned... he actually sent me the word doc with his opinion last night and i didnt actually post it till today. I simply came to you guys as my knowledge of gurbani isnt that good so i thought u guys could give him better responses then me....

i told him what you said and this is what he said bk: [red]These are existing tales which have been rewritten by guru sahib.[/red] What was need to rewrite these foolish tails? If these stories are for edcation. What education is going to be achieved by writing foolish and mythical stories? Isn't wisdom from Guru Granth Sahib Ji enough to give a moral understanding? Where does it say it has been written by 10th Nanak? Poets raam, shyam, soom, etc. are Nanak? [red]The tales are being narrated by a minister to his lust bitten king.At the end of every tale it is written Mantri-bhup sambade samapat.[/red] Since it is being narrated by minister, how did it become Gurbani? How did it become writing of 10th Guru? Guru Sahib had nothing better to do than translate stories about sticking toungues in female horse's backend? [red]This part shows the trick played by an unfaithful friend.[/red] So what does it have to do with Sikhi or Gurmat? Even more unfaithful are those who link stupid stories such as this one to Guru Gobind Singh Ji. [red]Money lender's son was very depressed and shiv was passing that way saw him ,heard his story and blessed him whatever he will say that thing will stick there.[/red] Do you have full faith in Shiv and his boons? Does Gurmat believe in boons such as above? Why don't you sit down sad and ask Shiv and Parbatee for a boon so that no one preaches against DG? [red]This shows charitra of an unfaithfull friend who deceives his friend . Then it shows the charitra of simple minded money lender's son who is sincere towards his friend but had to pay him back in the same coin when he does not understand rule of good ethics[/red] Isn't that like rape for rape. Eye for an eye. Is this what Gurbani teaches? What happened to Jahaa Lob Teh Kaal Hai Jahaa Khimaa Teh Aaap? This personal vengence tactic isn't Gurmat and was the reason for downfall of Khalistani movement. [red]I don't see anything wrong in this charitra. Basic is to teach a moral lesson. Other things are the art of story telling.These are myths told to impart a lesson.[/red] Scenes about people having sex and tying towel are art of story telling? Only a pervert would need to mention this stuff in his story. Not to forget the part about placing toungue in horse's <banned word filter activated>. What morals are being taught by making an innocent doctor place his toungue in horse's <banned word filter activated> and locking it there? Also, those who like to do bajjar kurehits don't find anything wrong in them either. So it doesn't matter if you find anything wrong there or not. So write anything, promote anything and then derive a moral on own without any backing? What moral is learnt from this story? Ask Shiv for boon and find another wife? This is what the moral is based on the story. Another moral would be not to trust those from so-called lower castes. All I have to say about above story is (him not me): Sharam Dharam Doaye Shup Khaloaye Koorh Firray Pardhaan Vay Laalo Sharam Dharam Kaa Dayraa Doorh Nanak Koorrh Raheyaa Bharpoor so inder wot wud u say to that :S

i was having a debate on the sri dasam granth and the guy who was against sri dasam granth mentioned Chariter 68. he posted the following to me : Chariter 68 is very long but unreal so I will mention it here briefly. A rich man’s son and a barber’s son were friends. They switched roles because barber’s son desired for it and they were look alikes. Rich man’s son was left to do house chores while barber one was riding horses and hunting. Rich man’s son felt bad and was seen in a sad mood by Parvattee and Mahaa Shiv. They gave the rich man’s son a boon with which he was able to freeze and unfreeze creatures. Boon worked as rich man’s son stated ‘become frozen”. Rich man’s son said “become frozen” to the whole city except himself. Everyone froze, couples having sex were frozen in their position, a man tying his towel was frozen, etc. etc. After a while, he unfroze them. Barber’s son wanted to know what had happened so he called for a doctor. Doctor had to go take a stool. While he was in the bushes and cleaning his buttocks with a piece of dry mud, rich man’s son said “become frozen”. So the mud stone got stuck in his buttocks. Doctor asked the rich man’s son for a cure. Rich man’s son told him to listen carefully. He said, “I once had this problem too. I stuck my toungue in female horse’s buttocks 100 times and I was cured.” Doctor did as suggested. Rich man’s son said “become frozen” to his toungue so it became frozen. Doctor was brought to the village and everyone made fun of him. Everyone bowed to the rich man’s son and he healed the doctor by removing his spells. Barber’s son died as he was still frozen. Rich man’s son was married again in the village and he came back happy. after he showed me that i was abit confused. In no way am i anti dasam granth but i cudnt give him a answer to that as he claimed it was completly anti gurmat. he also claimed DG spreads false hood by it saying alexander took over russia, and had war against inder in heaven. What you guys think about those writings?

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these pakis needs to be dealt with the way SP dealt them bk in the 80s and early 90s.

chardikala gursikhs. akallllllllllllllllllllaa.

stupid masands

no im preety sure you dont. fateh

left swami meeting sant ji the article was taken from CHARDI KALA (oct 2008). Gurdwara sri guru singh sabha southall, special edition magazine.

The swami and the sant (bhindranwale) june 6 will be remembered as a landmark in modern Indian history. On that date, the Indian armed forces took control of the golden temple complex after destroying the Akal takht and killing sant jarnail singh bhindranwale. The nation on the whole, expressed relief. A few of us, however, expressed sorrow and expressed sorrow and felt that operation bluestar, as the action was called, was a horrible blunder which would aggravate problem of terrorism, not contain it. Since then, the problem has indeed been aggravated. New crusaders for the Sikhs have no surfaced. to put the record straight, Ram Jethmalani – the new Galahad – was not one of those who had opposed operation bluestar. Today he may pose at a defender of the underdog. But on june 6 1984, he expressed satisfaction with the governments actions. This is said not, ofcourse, to defend the BJP in sackin jethmalani. The BJP is wholly communal. As long as Jethamalani was defending Haji Mastaan, the alleged smuggler king, Varadarajan Mudaliar, jaspal singh ( of the cia espionage case), and the sarda case murders in pune, the bjp was at peace with its priniciples. But the moment Jethamalani decided to defend the two alleged comspirators on the murder of mrs Gandhi, the BJP expressed great revulsion. This revulsion is due to the fact that the bjp is once again wooing the vote vote bank in north india which laid the foundations stones for Pakistan. Besides the bjp is now busy trying to make khalistan inevitable. The forces behind the vote bank are actively trying to polarise Punjab. The bjp thus is aspiring to be the agent of the silent terrorists – the hindu communalists – jethamalani is merely the fly in the ointment. the jethalani issue is typical of the machinery that has created the present situation in Punjab. Various actors in the drama have indulged in posturing without regard for the consequences on their histrionics. First there was mrs ghandu, who described the akali dals 41 point economic and social demand charters as secessionists in an effort to win the communal hindu vote. There was nothing separatist about these demands. Then came her son rajiv gandhu who maintained that the anandpur resolution was antinational. There was nopthing unpatriotic in this resolution – if one cared to read it. He also raised the demands on the Sikhs use of words like quam and raj karega khalsa and on that basis denounced the whole community as khalistanis. All by clever innuendos. Quam is no more unacceptable that the Desam in telegu desam or nadu in tamil nadu and raj karega khasla is roughly the equivalent of satyameva jayate. And yet Sikhs were made to feel traitors for usuing these words. arguing the counter – point on the Punjab issue, all discussions must ultimately zero in on bhindranwale, about whom there is so much disinformation that this column is insuffiecient to remedy the situation. I am writing an account of the Punjab tragedy in the form of a book in which bhindranwale figures objectively – warts and all. I hope my book will inspire a future government to set up a special commission to find out the true story of what happened. My first hand knowledge of events in Punjab also leads me to say the following about sant bhindranwale. he nevr advocated khalistan when the Indian army laid siege to the golden temple. he was a strict moralist, totally against liquor, drugs and promiscuity. Hence i totally disagree any rumours about pregnant abducted woman kept as his prisoners, which were only spread to malign him. he was in stance anti communist, and had broken the hold of the naxalities and pro soviet communists on the youth of Punjab. it was bhindranwale anti communist stance that activated the Russians and the kgb lobby in mrs gandhis camp to spread disinformation and thus discredit him. A few days before operation bluestar, Pravda wrote that bhindranwale had a direct telephonis link with the cia Langley Virginia, the headquarters of the agency. That was untrue, but leading dailies in new delhi published wire service reproductions of that article. Who organised negative media blitz? a large number of murders commited in Punjab brought swift condemnation from him, but these were never published. Such were the manoeuveres of the governments media mafia. In my presence bhindranwale condemned he massacre in which the hindus travelling in a bus were segregated and shot. He sent money to the affected hindu families. But this was never published in any newspaper/. When Dr V.N tiwari, MP, was shot dead in his house in chandigargh, bhindranwale wrote to his wife expressing his sorrow and called the murder an act of cowardice. but these was such frenzy in the country at the time that no one was willing to listen. The government encouraged the rumors and disinformation. Even I, who never said anywhere that these were no arms in the golden temple. Was quoted as having said so by rajiv gandhu in the 1984 monsoon session of parliament. When i challenged him to produce just one news report from a reputable paper as proof, he was unable to do so. All this is part of the lokh sabha proceedings which we can refer to and yet, from kanyakumari to Kashmir, where i went, the statement that i had never made was quoted again and again to discredit whatever else i would say about Punjab. Who arranged publicity? The same people who finally murdered bhindranwale? article written by, Dr Subramanian Swamy, a politician from india, he has held ministerial posts, he is also a trained economist. (theres a pic available of swamy and bhindranwale at the golden temple complex which i will be putting up shortly. i typed the article fast sorry for any typos. Fateh

thankyou brother. fateh

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neither r terroists. Parnaam shaheeda nu.

Sunny singha ur right, dushts will die at that time for sure and the struggle and the beginning of the khalsa raj will begin! RAj Karega Khalsa, Aki rahi na koe! Tyar bar tyar raho singho the panth will need seva and heads very soon. WJKK WJKF

khalistan zindabad! i hope badal dies a kuth-eh di mauth.