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nice to see these so called mahapursh coming to western countries, Every body agrees parchaar is needed more in india then here. if yir a mahapursh or a bhramgiani you have no fear of anything, Not heard any of these making a stand for rajoana or hawara in the last few weeks. As far as im aware the original saroop was never located after the british raj. let the story tellers keep telling there stories.

Where is this gurdwara? Which country

Believe me.....most people will be just like me in that they will read this thread and be amazed. Amazed not at the activities of that couiple but amazed and surprised at how gullible, weak bodied and weak minded many sikhs have become. These people claim to be baba deep singh or Mai Bhago and you say how can people be so gullible. We as a nation have always been gullible. people believe these people the same way Namdharis beleive Bhai Ram singh will come back or some taksal Singhs Sant Bhindrawale will be back. how different is this?

when will the website be up and running

i went to Italy a few months back and there is lots of sangat there espically north italy. they reckon theres close to 100,000 sikhs in italy i was near bergamo at the singh sabha gurdwara they reckon on a sunday they can get close to 4-5000 sangat and on a guirpurb up to 14000

the guy sang rubbish songs dont use the sikh forum to promote punjabi singers.

i think you have some personal issues that you need to sort out. We dont need you spilling your venom on this site. Moderators should not allow this topic as its jathebandhi bashing. Dont tar all AKJ and Nihang SInghs with the same brush not everyone is like thta. not every jathebahnadi is perfect

the heat and lighting costs more for community centre then guru ghar(gotta get there priorties right) they spend more on cctv for the community centre then the gurdwara. the centre is more important then the ghar of guru granth sahib. what a joke. oh ive checked the last 5 yrs accounts from the charity commission website and do you know how much they spent on education......NOTHING

Check the attached file showing dudley gurdwara accounts for last year. this has been pulled off the charity commission website. they paid nealty £1500 for a dance floor and lighting. these guys are jokers 2010.pdf

Coming to the whole violence thing. The police have't mentioned that a woman recieved a broken arm in the police report so that pathetic family if your reading this, sorry you can't go to 'don't delay claim today either, ! The youth or whoever weren't armed either! No mention of this in the police report So called woman with the broken arm from what i know she was on central news with no bandage or anything and the next day shes at the gurdwara (monday) with her arm in a sling saying she got hit with a kirpan. its emabrassing that we have to argue and try to get these older folks to tow the line. these people are as old as our parents. im brought up to respect people older then my parents as my parents. they have no shame having there daughters dancing in front of them on gurdwara property. Dudley lot you are pathetic sort yourselves out tow the line come under the umbrealla of Akal takhthis

Look who attended Badals Wifes Funeral The Jathedhars had no problem being at the same place as a radha swami head Parkash Singh Badal and Sukhbir broke into tears when Union Minister Farooq Abdullah, who is an old family friend, reached their venue. He was accompanied by his son-in-law and Union Minister for Communications Sachin Pilot. Gurdas Badal, father of PPP supremo Manpreet Badal, sat next to his brother Parkash Singh Badal by the side of the body of Surinder Kaur the entire morning. The Governors of Punjab and Haryana, Shivraj Patil and Jagan Nath Pahadia, Chief Ministers of Haryana and Himachal Pradesh Bhupinder Singh Hooda and Prem Kumar Dhumal, former CM of Haryana Om Parkash Chautala, former Union Home Minister Buta Singh, chairman of the Anti-Terrorist Front Maninderjit Singh Bitta attended the cremation. Congress leaders - Tej Parkash Singh, former minister, Sunil Jakhar, MLA, Arvind Khanna, general secretary; and Balwant Singh Ramoowalia, president, Lok Bhalai Party, also offered condolences to the Badal family. Among others present at the cremation included Ashwani Sharma, President, BJP, Punjab, Tikshan Sud, Punjab Local Bodies Minister, Manoranjan Kalia, Master Mohan Lal (former ministers), Sukhpal Singh Nannu, Jagdish Shawney, Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa, Balwinder Singh Bhunder and other SAD and BJP leaders. The Sikh clergy, including Giani Gurbachan Singh, Jathedar, Akal Takht, Giani Tarlochan Singh, Jathedar, Takht Sri Kesgarh Sahib, Giani Balwant Singh Nandgarh, Jathedar, Takht Sri Damdama Sahib along with Avtar Singh Makkar, president, SGPC and Baba Gurinder Singh, head, Dera Radha Swami, Beas, were also present.

ANy property a gurdwara owns becomes the property of the guru. How can you justify having meat and alcohol in a building which is not owned but the committee or even the people of dudley, its the proeprty of dhan guru granth sahib ji would you think its ok to have parties in th rooms around the parkarama at darbar sahib as they are techincally darbar dahib itself? your argument is flawed. Just because there is no parkash of guru ji saroop in the building its property of the gurdwara. i think some people need to stop looking at it as "our gurdwars" our community centre" take a step back look outside of the box and im sure you will see everything in a different perspective. If guru Nanak or Guru Gobind Singh was here standing next to you you thin they would say " yeah no problems go have your meat and alcohol" i pray that a the sangat of dudley will understand why this is not acceptable to the sikh quam.

guys cam someone make sure they record the kirtan please

I remember many years ago I went to magistrates court in Wolverhampton. I was searched by security and they asked me to take my kiirpan off. When I refused He said " u can wear a small one round your neck and go in" after further refusal the security said they have been advised by soho road gurdwara that You can wear one round your neck. I'm not saying that they are involved in this drayton manor issue but I am witness to what I was told at court. I know no other jatha or samparda that encourages or wears a small kanga or kit an round there neck

im in birmingham

Does anybody have a takhat posh that they no longer require. im trying to get one made but coming across many obstacles. most people cant make one for a few months. if anyone has one and does not need one anymore please let me know. im in urgent need of one as we are looking to bring guru maharaj home.

Does anybody know where I can get a takhat posh made for guru Granth sahib in the midlands.. Any ideas if some one can provide name and number would be greatly appreciated

nothign was done so you thought id walk away and let other people sort it out!! no point acting the tough guy at edward st and then not doing anything about the sofa's.

i agree Professor darshan singh should not be allowed to do kirtan due to be excommunicated from the panth afer the hukamnama from Akal Takhat Sahib. i also believe with the aid of the police we should get this programme stopped due to what could happen. im proud that there still are khalsa out there looking to uphold gurus hukam and stop this man but my question is how many of us have gone to other gurdwaras to enforce akal takhat hukam to stop langar being eaten on tables. the hukamnama for the eaten of langar in a pangat at the time was issued by the panthic jatherdhar of the time. are we going to show the same vigour and passion to make sure every guru ghar that uses chairs and tables inthe gurdwara renmove them or are we going to pick and choose which hukamnama we want to see enforced. maybe guru ji assist us in stopping darshan from doing his programme today and any others he may do anywhere in the world until he has peshed infront akal tahat

you can download the PDf with all the details of his case but these are the interesting ones Point 16 - basically he's using his family to skim money ... Point 27 - he was making £190 off each refferal to a doctor ...£190 for making a doctors appointment !!!!!! he was charging this to the insurer of the client Point 31 Police protection !!!! What's he been up to ? this guy is running a channel and representing the sikh community, doesnt look good when your runnin rverything like a cowboy

is this a full vegeterian pizza punjbai food shop or will they selling other stuff as well.

i didint realise that sant samaj or sgpc was the whole panth. since Baba Dhumma has got the changes he wanted to the calendar he seems to have stopped his outspoken remarks against badal amazing how easily our so called baba/bhramgiani are bought out by badal can you list all the "PANTHIC jathebandia" that were happy with the calendar?

As a memeber of the Akhand Kirtani jatha i sometimes feel frustrated and annoyed when we hold kirtan darbars or even rehansbhai at gurdwara which still have tables and chairs in the langar hall. Looking at the schedule for this samagam i know for a fact that the gurughar at forest road has tables and chairs. Question the jatha has to ask is should we be holding programmes at gurughar that dont follow the basic priniciples of langar or sitting in on the floor. I have been to rehansbhai's were there are more table and chairs then space to sit on the floor to eat langar. Personally i wont take langar if there is not a place to sit on the floor and eat. Lets start getting a little proactive and seeing are the gurghars we are booking programmes at are following certain marayada at least or are we at the stage that Ah well never mind will sit on the tables and chairs. Lets not turn a blind eye and please try to do something about this

This is not the first time Willenhall committee have acted like this i rememebr a few years ago they did the same thing then. Before the Rehansbhia began the stage secretary was talkin and a few memebers of the committee started setting up the mics for the kirtan. Bhai Tarlochan singh Got up and asked them to put the speaker stands onthe floor so that more sangat can sit on the stage. The stage sec started slandering saying that you must do kirtan on the stage and not on the floor. When Bhai Tarlochan singh tired to speak they swithced the MIC off. He then jumped on stage and explained to the sangat that all he requested was that the Mic stands be put on the floor and then extend them out onto the stage so we can get more people on the stage. You should have seen the look on the faces of the 3 guys they looked like idiots. I personally think Bhai Tarlochan SIngh handeled it very well otherwise it could have become nasty The only thing the stage sec kept saying was this is our gurdwara you have to do what we say we are in charge. What he doesnt realise is Guru ji is in charge but there ego makes them think they are in charge. From the reaction of the committe it would be apparent that this was planned by them thinking the jatha will want to do kirtan on the floor. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Is there no one out there who knows were we can get a takhat poosh made in the midlands UK. lets take this from another angle, if you have parkash of guru sahib and have a takhat poosj who did you get it made by.