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mard ka chela = soorma is what the punjabi translation is saying

They are both a form of meditation. Meditation in Sikhi = singing/saying praises of waheguru

That phrase is in literal translations only. If you read punjabi translations "disciple of man" is never mentioned.

Awsw mhlw 5 ] aasaa mehalaa 5 || Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: hmwrI ipAwrI AMimRq DwrI guir inmK n mn qy twrI ry ]1] rhwau ] hamaaree piaaree a(n)mrith dhhaaree gur nimakh n man thae ttaaree rae ||1|| rehaao || My Beloved has brought forth a river of nectar. The Guru has not held it back from my mind, even for an instant. ||1||Pause|| drsn prsn srsn hrsn rMig rMgI krqwrI ry ]1] dharasan parasan sarasan harasan ra(n)g ra(n)gee karathaaree rae ||1|| Beholding it, and touching it, I am sweetened and delighted. It is imbued with the Creator's Love. ||1|| iKnu rm gur gm hir dm nh jm hir kMiT nwnk auir hwrI ry ]2]5]134] khin ram gur gam har dham neh jam har ka(n)t(h) naanak our haaree rae ||2||5||134|| Chanting it even for a moment, I rise to the Guru; meditating on it, one is not trapped by the Messenger of Death. The Lord has placed it as a garland around Nanak's neck, and within his heart. ||2||5||134|| http://sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1568

^ WAH !!!

ਪਹਿਲਾ ਬਾਬੇ ਪਾਯਾ ਬਖਸੁ ਦਰਿ ਪਿਛੋਦੇ ਫਿਰਿ ਘਾਲਿ ਕਮਾਈ । First of all Baba Nanak obtained the gate of the grace (of Lord) and then He underwent and earned the rigorous discipline( of heart and mind). ਰੇਤੁ ਅੱਕੁ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਰੋੜਾ ਕੀ ਗੁਰ ਕੀਅ ਵਿਛਾਈ । He fed himself with sand and swallow-wort and made stones his bedding i.e. he enjoyed poverty too. ਭਾਰੀ ਕਰੀ ਤਪਸਿਆ ਵਡੇ ਭਾਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਬਣਿ ਆਈ । He offered hid full devotion and then he was fortunate to have proximity with God. ਬਾਬਾ ਪੈਧਾ ਸਚਿ ਖੰਡਿ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਪਾਈ । Baba reached the region of truth wherefrom he received Nam, the storehouse of nine treasures and humility. ਬਾਬਾ ਦੇਖੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧਰਿ ਜਲਤੀ ਸਭਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਵੀ ਦਿਸਿ ਆਈ । In his meditation, Baba found the whole earth burning (with the fire of lust and anger). ਬਾਝੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਬਾਰੁ ਹੈ[,] ਹੈ ਹੈ ਕਰਦੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਲੁਕਾਈ । Without Guru there is utter darkness and he heard the cries of the common men. ਬਾਬੇ ਭੇਖ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਉਦਾਸੀ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਚਲਾਈ । To further understand the people, Guru Nanak donned robes in their manner and preached them to be detached (from the pleasure and pain). ਚੜ੍ਹਿਆ ਸੋਧਣਿ ਧਰਤਿ ਲੁਕਾਈ ॥੨੪॥ Thus he went out to depurate humanity on earth.

This thread is the reason why I tend to leave SS from time to time. So much love, I can't take it !!! :rolleyes:

kvxu su AKru kvxu guxu kvxu su mxIAw mMqu ] kavan s akhar kavan gun kavan s maneeaa ma(n)th || What is that word, what is that virtue, and what is that magic mantra? kvxu su vyso hau krI ijqu vis AwvY kMqu ]126] kavan s vaeso ho karee jith vas aavai ka(n)th ||126|| What are those clothes, which I can wear to captivate my Husband Lord? ||126|| invxu su AKru Kvxu guxu ijhbw mxIAw mMqu ] nivan s akhar khavan gun jihabaa maneeaa ma(n)th || Humility is the word, forgiveness is the virtue, and sweet speech is the magic mantra. ey qRY BYxy vys kir qW vis AwvI kMqu ]127] eae thrai bhainae vaes kar thaa(n) vas aavee ka(n)th ||127|| Wear these three robes, O sister, and you will captivate your Husband Lord. ||127||

WAHHHH Absolutely brilliant !!! I think a large portion of people on this forum need to do some self-reflection after reading that

if meat and our skin are same thing then why dnt u cut ur leg and fry it and serve ur family or kill ur kids and eat them? after all they r meat too, why kill somebody's kids? means goat , pig , hen etc.... yea we r maas but the mass which which u get by killing aminals to sell so that people can eat it.. why wud u like to touch that? I still fail to understand how touching meat, any kind of meat, will effect you in any way at all :umm: Anyways, this is my last post in this topic. People can and will do what they like, it's their choice. Who am I to tell anyone otherwise.

mhlw 5 ] mehalaa 5 || Fifth Mehla: goibMd goibMd goibMd sMig nwmdyau mnu lIxw ] gobi(n)dh gobi(n)dh gobi(n)dh sa(n)g naamadhaeo man leenaa || Naam Dayv's mind was absorbed into God, Gobind, Gobind, Gobind. AwF dwm ko CIpro hoieE lwKIxw ]1] rhwau ] aadt dhaam ko shheeparo hoeiou laakheenaa ||1|| rehaao || The calico-printer, worth half a shell, became worth millions. ||1||Pause|| bunnw qnnw iqAwig kY pRIiq crn kbIrw ] bunanaa thananaa thiaag kai preeth charan kabeeraa || Abandoning weaving and stretching thread, Kabeer enshrined love for the Lord's lotus feet. nIc kulw jolwhrw BieE gunIX ghIrw ]1] neech kulaa jolaaharaa bhaeiou guneey geheeraa ||1|| A weaver from a lowly family, he became an ocean of excellence. ||1|| rivdwsu FuvMqw For nIiq iqin iqAwgI mwieAw ] ravidhaas dtuva(n)thaa dtor neeth thin thiaagee maaeiaa || Ravi Daas, who used to carry dead cows every day, renounced the world of Maya. prgtu hoAw swDsMig hir drsnu pwieAw ]2] paragatt hoaa saadhhasa(n)g har dharasan paaeiaa ||2|| He became famous in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, and obtained the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan. ||2|| sYnu nweI buqkwrIAw Ehu Gir Gir suinAw ] sain naaee buthakaareeaa ouhu ghar ghar suniaa || Sain, the barber, the village drudge, became famous in each and every house. ihrdy visAw pwrbRhmu Bgqw mih ginAw ]3] hiradhae vasiaa paarabreham bhagathaa mehi ganiaa ||3|| The Supreme Lord God dwelled in his heart, and he was counted among the devotees. ||3|| ieh ibiD suin kY jwtro auiT BgqI lwgw ] eih bidhh sun kai jaattaro out(h) bhagathee laagaa || Hearing this, Dhanna the Jaat applied himself to devotional worship. imly pRqiK gusweIAw DMnw vfBwgw ]4]2] milae prathakh gusaaeeaa dhha(n)naa vaddabhaagaa ||4||2|| The Lord of the Universe met him personally; Dhanna was so very blessed. ||4||2|| People that are saying that touching meat is bad, last i checked, we were all containers of meat People freak out when meat is mentioned, they say we have to stay away from even touch of meat. But, I think we forget that if it was not for the touch of meat, life would cease to exist. (I tried to keep it clean due to kids on this board)

and mccain needs to smarten up a bit. giving tax cuts to the oil companies, what are you thinking !!!! world needs to move away from it's dependence on oil and giving tax cuts to oil giants is not going to help that cause at all

Both really. I did notice he went off beat a few times, it happens to the best of us Just need to be extra careful while playing with kirtan There's people like me who after learning tabla for a few years tend to notice even when little things go off, which is not a good thing. I wish I could stop doing it but it happens automatically which is a distraction from kirtan. Tabla should be very clear and crisp as well, but that's just what I think

It's very nicely sung Although I do think tabla could have been much better than it was :umm: Tabla needs to be exceptionally good while playing with raag kirtan.

You never know, maybe I am already married :1singh1: Sorry ladies

To everyone that is complaining: why don't you guys go to Hazoor Sahib, enter the room and see for yourself if it is a bunch of crap of not. :rolleyes:

Have you read vedas in their entirety?

WAH !!!

To extend that a bit further If you have every tried to peel the sugarcane skin, it is not easy. You need strong teeth and even then you need to know how to do it or you don't get to the juicy goodness inside. Think about all the efforts people put in to get ras from mayavi things. - kaami person goes out of their way to get kaam raas. they may spend lots of money and time and effort for this, learn new techniques etc... - greedy person goes out of their way to get money and material goods. this will have a negative impact on both their physical and emotional health in long term Bhagat ji is saying that all these efforts being put in to get rass from maya can be compared to efforts being put in to get to the juicy goodness of a sugarcane. After all that effort one might finally get some rass, but this rass only stays for a short while till we drain all the juice then we must spit out the remains, these remains do leave a non-tasty feeling in your mouth. The same object that gave us rass a few moments ago is now giving a bitter taste. For such small amount of rass we put all this effort to get it. Bhagat jee says that only if people put half the amount of effort to gain some virtue, their life would change for the better

First off, Mehtab sio I'm going to beat you up for starting this thread On second thought, never mind, you might die with one thappar Thanks for the wishes On a serious note, it is a strange world. My age is declining, end is drawing near and yet I am expected to be happy about it. Strange world indeed

rwgu soriT bwxI Bgq rivdws jI kI raag sorat(h) baanee bhagath ravidhaas jee kee Raag Sorat'h, The Word Of Devotee Ravi Daas Jee: <> siqgur pRswid ] ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh || One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: jb hm hoqy qb qU nwhI Ab qUhI mY nwhI ] jab ham hothae thab thoo naahee ab thoohee mai naahee || When I am in my ego, then You are not with me. Now that You are with me, there is no egotism within me. Anl Agm jYsy lhir mie EdiD jl kyvl jl mWhI ]1] anal agam jaisae lehar mae oudhadhh jal kaeval jal maa(n)hee ||1|| The wind may raise up huge waves in the vast ocean, but they are just water in water. ||1|| mwDvy ikAw khIAY BRmu AYsw ] maadhhavae kiaa keheeai bhram aisaa || O Lord, what can I say about such an illusion? jYsw mwnIAY hoie n qYsw ]1] rhwau ] jaisaa maaneeai hoe n thaisaa ||1|| rehaao || Things are not as they seem. ||1||Pause|| nrpiq eyku isMGwsin soieAw supny BieAw iBKwrI ] narapath eaek si(n)ghaasan soeiaa supanae bhaeiaa bhikhaaree || It is like the king, who falls asleep upon his throne, and dreams that he is a beggar. ACq rwj ibCurq duKu pwieAw so giq BeI hmwrI ]2] ashhath raaj bishhurath dhukh paaeiaa so gath bhee hamaaree ||2|| His kingdom is intact, but separated from it, he suffers in sorrow. Such is my own condition. ||2|| rwj BuieAMg pRsMg jYsy hih Ab kCu mrmu jnwieAw ] raaj bhueia(n)g prasa(n)g jaisae hehi ab kashh maram janaaeiaa || Like the story of the rope mistaken for a snake, the mystery has now been explained to me. Aink ktk jYsy BUil pry Ab khqy khnu n AwieAw ]3] anik kattak jaisae bhool parae ab kehathae kehan n aaeiaa ||3|| Like the many bracelets, which I mistakenly thought were gold; now, I do not say what I said then. ||3|| srby eyku AnykY suAwmI sB Gt BuogvY soeI ] sarabae eaek anaekai suaamee sabh ghatt bhuogavai soee || The One Lord is pervading the many forms; He enjoys Himself in all hearts. kih rivdws hwQ pY nyrY shjy hoie su hoeI ]4]1] kehi ravidhaas haathh pai naerai sehajae hoe s hoee ||4||1|| Says Ravi Daas, the Lord is nearer than our own hands and feet. Whatever will be, will be. ||4||1||

^^ :LOLz: at "pat like draakth" :lol: I'm a small person, I only weigh 145 lbs

Almost every time I do squats, leg of my kachera rips !!! :umm:

^^ WAH !!!