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i don't usually do this on forums but '+1' lol alright it doesn't say about gf/bf thing, but everyone else has mentioned how that is not in accordance with sikhi.

so that means you don't have to give a fk about your wife / kids because .... I shouldn't worry about them err no, did you read the whole post. wasn't exactly long was it. that was about girlfriend/boyfriend thing - which is just to do with kaam anyway. hopefully your wife and kids should be following the same path. and actually many many many times in gurbani it says about detaching yourself from all in the world ਏ ਮਨ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥ O beloved mind, contemplate the True Lord forever. ਏਹੁ ॥ This family which you see shall not go along with you. ਸਾਥਿ ॥ They shall not go along with you, so why do you focus your attention on them? ਐਸਾ ॥ Don't do anything that you will regret in the end. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ॥ Listen to the Teachings of the True Guru - these shall go along with you. ਕਹੈ ॥੧੧॥ Says Nanak, O beloved mind, contemplate the True Lord forever. ||11|| ਧ੍ਰਿਗੰਤ ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਸਨੇਹੰ ਧ੍ਰਿਗ ਸਨੇਹੰ ਭ੍ਰਾਤ ਬਾਂਧਵਹ ॥ Cursed is loving attachment to one's mother and father; cursed is loving attachment to one's siblings and relatives. ਧ੍ਰਿਗ ॥ Cursed is attachment to the joys of family life with one's spouse and children. ਧ੍ਰਿਗ ॥ Cursed is attachment to household affairs. <a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97" onmouseover="ddrivetip('iSāḏẖsang /i', 250)" ;="" onmouseout="hideddrivetip()">ਸਾਧਸੰਗ ਸ੍ਨੇਹ ਸਤ੍ਯ੍ਯਿੰ ਸੁਖਯੰ ਬਸੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕਹ ॥੨॥ Only loving attachment to the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is True. Nanak dwells there in peace. ||2|| - that doesn't mean you throw them aside. grihasti jeevan is guru ji's hukam - just don't get caught up in it so much that you forget all about guru ji's hukam. and sorry IF anything bad happened to you or someone you know, but don't blame the teachings of sikhi for it (remember i said IF) i guess i started posting just as you posted shastr, search copy and paste took some mins

at preetam man mohuna http://fateh.sikhnet...ff007e267a!Open amazing control, like every surh soooofast asa di vaar part 1 http://fateh.sikhnet...ff007e2613!Open recording from part 1 to 2 misses out: ਓਇ ਜਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਆਸ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਨਿਰਾਸੇ ਕਿਤੁ ॥ ਫਲ ਫਿਕੇ ਫੁਲ ਬਕਬਕੇ ਕੰਮਿ ਨ ਆਵਹਿ ਪਤ ॥ ਮਿਠਤੁ ਨੀਵੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਗੁਣ ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ ਤਤੁ ॥ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਨਿਵੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਪਰ ਕਉ ਨਿਵੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ <a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" onmouseover="ddrivetip('iḏẖar /i To put, to place, to fix, to lay down, to keep, to hold', 250)" ;="" onmouseout="hideddrivetip()">ਧਰਿ ਤਾਰਾਜੂ ਤੋਲੀਐ ਨਿਵੈ ਸੁ ਗਉਰਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ asa di vaar part 2 http://fateh.sikhnet...ff007e2637!Open

listen to dilbhag singh and gulbagh singh if you want to hear that kind of kirtan http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/music.nsf/SelectMusicJukeBoxMusician/9138b7125e18e20e872570ff007e267a!Open amazing control, like every surh soooofast asa di vaar part 1 http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/music.nsf/SelectMusicJukeBoxMusician/cddfa6d5fe55ce10872570ff007e2613!Open asa di vaar part 2 http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/music.nsf/SelectMusicJukeBoxMusician/9b4b6249f68176e0872570ff007e2637!Open

and it's pretty good for flyin patang :D and listening to basant raag :lol: yeah as apna said, not too hot in march (but global warmin and all that you never know lol )

WOW available for download. that is brilliant, especially as it's not easy to bring pothi sahibs over from India with full respect trust me, and i don't know of any being printed here. and it's free to download. that's amazing, you're right to get carried away, that is a huge seva for people who are learning or want to learn to read gurbani and anyone else. it really is brilliant, i'm gonna get carried away in a minute lol, good stuff bhaji. vjkk vjkf

first of all IK OUNKAAR (and if they ask about god further then the mool muntur) and you could add, - manus ki jaat sabhai ekai pehichanibo (recognise the human race as one) and/or - hukmai andur(i) sabh ko bahur(i) hukum(u) na koi, Nanak hukumai je bujhai, ta haomai kuhai na koi.

oh...my...days :rolleyes:

Also if you type in ਜਪ into srigranth.org or sikhi to the max. see how many searches come up and just read through a few. i guess, from what i can think of, there may be other ways, and what i write might be wrong but for any script, in this case and especially gurbani you could arad(h)ana - repeating out loud, try to embed something into your memory. rad(h), is to memorise, or to finish. so arad(h) i would suggest would be to never stop, and keep on memorising, as we try to do with gurbani. dhiaona - dhian la ke, with your mind. set your mind to focus on gurbani, the meaning, and say loud or quietly in your mind, but focus your mind on it japna - with your tongue, your voice. dhiaona can be done with the mind alone, but japna can not (i don't think ) gaona - then there's gaona, singing aloud. just a few thoughts, from what i've gathered feel free to add anything or whatever. vjkk vjkf

vjkk vjkf if initially you read/say gurbani out loud, you are more likely to remember it. repetitively saying gurbani out loud allows you to listen to what you are saying. then when you read it or say it in your mind, you can 'hear' yourself saying it.<br>many sants and mahapurash advise for people to speak gurbani out loud, and let yourself listen to it. as you speak it out loud, it becomes more 'pakka' resolute in your mind, then jundo ander vas jandi bani, when after speaking it loudly it starts to resonate in your mind then you can do it either way. try it, if you say gurbani in a toneful voice loudly, almost singing but not exactly. say a line a few times, or vaheguru loudly. then be silent and listen to that in your mind, it's a lot clearer than just doing it in your head straight away. ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥ Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love. ਦੁਖੁ ॥ Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ॥ The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. AND OF COURSE ਸੁਣਿਐ ਸਿਧ ਪੀਰ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਾਥ ॥ Listening-the Siddhas, the spiritual teachers, the heroic warriors, the yogic masters. ਸੁਣਿਐ ॥ Listening-the earth, its support and the Akaashic ethers. ਸੁਣਿਐ ॥ Listening-the oceans, the lands of the world and the nether regions of the underworld. ਸੁਣਿਐ ॥ Listening-Death cannot even touch you. ਨਾਨਕ ॥ O Nanak, the devotees are forever in bliss. ਸੁਣਿਐ ॥੮॥ Listening-pain and sin are erased. ||8|| SO BY RECITING OUT LOUD, SO CAN ALLOW YOURSELF TO LISTEN. eventually after listening it will sink in: ਸੁਣਿਆ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਮਨਿ ਕੀਤਾ ਭਾਉ ॥ Listening and believing with love and humility in your mind, <a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" onmouseover="ddrivetip('iAnṯargaṯ /i', 250)" ;="" onmouseout="hideddrivetip()">ਅੰਤਰਗਤਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਮਲਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ cleanse yourself with the Name, at the sacred shrine deep within.

gavai ko, japai disai d(h)oor(i) ll gavai ko, vekhai had(h)ra had(h)oor(i) ll kuthuna kuthee, na avai t(h)ot(i) ll kuth(i) kuth(i) kuthee, kotee kot(i) kot(i) ll deda deh, laide thakh(i) paah(i) ll jugaa juguntr(i) khahee khah(i) ll

bbc is ridiculous, there's a program on bbc2 at 10pm today. it's about MUSLIMS LEARNING TO DRIVE - it's a freaking series of 6 programs, after a show about OBAMA and just before NEWSNIGHT. i can't see how there's no agenda behind something like that, an absolutely pointless show, just to make muslims look better to the public - when there are so many more important issues out there that a documentary could be made of

oh, i had my hopes up for some good news well part of my previous post ''does he go more the side of 'maya'. a lot of socialising (not the religious kind), spending money etc etc. Also is he a bit selfish, again both things i've said from experience of someone like that, because he hasn't thought about what it would do to the family or anything, or looked at what's good, he's looked at what is easy.'' Karan, have you tried to understand more about sikhi, and why you shouldn't cut your kesh, or have you just thought i don't care what anyone says i'm just gonna do it my way. maybe you want to do all sorts of things, and you want to cut your kesh etc, and you've seen how 'easy' it would make things and you're just looking at that perpective. have you tried, please try, just a little bit, to look at the spiritual side of things, to see what gurbani says, to go to a summer camp or something or a class and pose the questions that you have. it can be seen in the world that people who work really hard are the most successful, people who make sacrifices like great sportsmen or soldiers in the war, they are saluted by everyone. those are usually the best people in western society (did you see the armed forces awards). in life i guess sikhi is that path of hard work which can lead you to success at the end - maybe i think, maybe you want to see how sikhi can be cool, how it can be fun and chilled out - i'd say go to a sikhi camp in the summer first and see how it is. maybe you don't care about anyone talking like they know it all and thinking they're of a higher intelligence. maybe you just wanna see how you can be a sikh and be chilled out. maybe the way your parents brought you up in sikhi you felt it was too strict, maybe you need a viewpoint of some sikhs who are chilled out. Q. do you believe in god? if so what are your views.

i think the petition should be put in general whats happening and news' forums sometimes people don't check this forum - i rarely do, actually seems quite new to me. since it's not against forum rules, and if ladli-fauj is ok with it, i think it should go into the 'more popular' forums

yeah agree with above, what kirpadhar said etc. she ends the show on a good note for sikhs, but the part about june earlier in the film is bias towards indian government for sure - not exactly both sides of the story. Giani Puran singh ji was blatantly edited for the purposes of the film, as if he would only say about what sant ji thought and did in the battle. an important eye witness, and a 30sec interview shown about sant ji being fearless (which can be taken different ways from different perspectives) what really got me was when SHE SAID sant ji and his men RAN from in front of the akal takht (from battle), and when brar had the audacity to speak of sant ji not being religious. there were good parts of the documentary, making it slightly better than some other stuff in the past. the look on brar's face when he was asked if it was worth it - should get that part of the interview and do a body language study, like when he says he feels sorry etc - real remorse shows in the whole action of the body and face. he basically admitted to killing innocent people (oh you couldn't tell who was who etc). after the indrajit singh interview she says sikhs in this country have moved on, she never interviewed any sikhs in uk about 1984 - well at the end of the show it mentioned about her radio show, i never listen to/call radio stations, but i'm sure people will. only a couple of picures of june 84 were shown, where as the displays we've seen many times at gurdware show the dispicable attacks on sikhs, implications of firing squads, hands tied with turbans etc etc. most if not all the times she shed a tear in that film, or felt sad, it was hard to empathise with her - lack of real emotional connection came through for me. never felt sorry for her only those she interviewed, her tears i felt were on occasion sometimes partly due to the guilt of the earlier interviews about june 84 and her lack of sympathy of the victims of the june attack (where she cried less) - and she cried more once she saw the widespread inhumanity. AND about sant ji the soldier was just about portrayed but the sant was hardly mentioned which is downright disgraceful because sant comes first in sikhi.

hukmee hovun(i) aakaar, hukum(u) na kuhia jaee ll

yes hopefully it will be good vjkk vjkf I'm not sure if this will work outside the UK, but I think it should do if you make sure you add .CO.UK at the end of the URL.... If you go to this website.... >> http://www.tvguide.co.uk/ and scroll down a little you will see the TV program listings of lots of channels, and you will see it says 'BBC1 London' first and then 'BBC2 London' and then 'ITV1 London' etc etc Now under each of these channels there is a link called 'watch', click on that and it will take you to a live stream of the channel... lets hope it works vjkk vjkf Well I thore bothe pange lehne paye, but now it works. I had to change my proxy. I took a open public proxy server. So now the data transfaire goes to the proxy which is in england and then comes to me. I just hope the stream of bbc will work cause they say it's just beta and it makes some problems sometimes. Sarbat da Pala Jee, could you explain to me how you did that? Because somebody i know in canada wanted to watch it... I dont understand this proxy thing, could you explain what they'll have to do and how to get that stream working? Thanks!! vjkk vjkf about tvguide - i went to check when it was on, and if you click on the show it brings up more details and public comments http://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail.asp?id=56299573 since it's a big site it might be a good idea to post SENSIBLE and fair comments on there that people might read. no good saying we weren't the terrorists if you're post says death to all the gandhi family (no matter how true and heart felt it may be)

if we look past the misleading title the uploader of this video has posted, there is a clear answer to one of Bloom's questions in the video below. http://www.youtube.c...feature=related I, like Bloom, hope the truth will present itself sooner rather than later! And I say misleading title not for the reason that it can't be true, but because it is not descriptive of the video's content. AKaaal Akaal Akaal! the title assumes the video to implicate that dhumma is mukhi. but my mate was there in tracy, california. when sant baba thakur singh ji gave a saropa (never tied a pugh or asked anyone else to do so), and gave bhai ram singh seva of parchaar and sambhal of gurughar's of the taksal. as jassa said (this may be the first time i'm agreeing with him), that dhumma was initiated as mukh sevadar of the jathebandhi itself. with bada dharam singh (in who's name most of the taksal's property is, including mehta sahib), very respected and highly thought of sevadar, also there at that time. my mate told me that there was a guy making a film of it, but ram singh's guys wanted to 'borrow it' but they never gave it back, it showed the sapropa being given and nothing more. vjkk vjkf

vahegurooooooooooooooooooo tu chit avai, teri meyaa. http://www.akj.org/multimedia/Ludhiana/2009/200901luda013mon.mp3

as has been said already, you kind of have to detach yourself now. it was in hukam, you couldnt've seen it coming for some people it just isn't meant to be. no offence, but is your brother intelligent and mature, or does he go more the side of 'maya'. a lot of socialising (not the religious kind), spending money etc etc. Also is he a bit selfish, again both things i've said from experience of someone like that, because he hasn't thought about what it would do to the family or anything, or looked at what's good, he's looked at what is easy. So maybe he's kind of a little detached from the family, and you can give and give until a certain point, but you have to realise that it really wasn't meant to be. I think you have to hope for a growth in his mental state, in his maturity. The right sangat with help greatly but it won't be easy now. I'm sorry i can't think of anything else to say, apart from as mentioned before, you have to detach yourself, understand gurbaani and hukam. Still be humane when he's there, but understand it wasn't meant to be and it is his loss.

amrit naam, tera soee gavai. jo sahib merai, mun bhavai. http://www.akj.org/multimedia/Delhi/2008/200810deli040mon.mp3 How good does bhai manpreet singh sound :D another one here, anand sahib at the end starts brilliantly. http://www.akj.org/multimedia/Delhi/2008/200810deli040mon.mp3

original satgur bachan tumare album, on casette lol. har ka bilovna, bilovho mere bhai. just finished, so now it's titu) jaye buhuho sutsungtee, jithai har ka har naam biloeeai :D

just answer the question man, lol

Your motive from other posts makes it clear that you are essentially asking: "What is the most cowardly way that I can consider myself brave". The answer is there is not a single one. Instead, why don't you ask the same question we should all ask....How can I become a better sikh(=gursikh) myself. A Sikh is someone who has the humility to do that. There are many beautiful brothers and sisters from all backgrounds and at all stages who approach sikhi with this humility as we speak. Stop it with the childish games and rants to justify your personal circumstances and practices jgill, you are bringing the quality of discussion on this forum way down. i know i can fight and die for what i believe in, but from your post it sounds like if someone doesn't practise sikhi to a gursikhs extent your calling them a coward, which is the dumbest thing ive ever heard cause their many gursikhs who would hide from battle and many mona who would die for their ppl LOL that is the cowards way - the muslim suicide bombers die for their religion, not cause they're brave, but they want a quick way to mukti - but it doesn't work like that. ''i know i can fight and die for what i believe in'' - what do you believe in... it's not about dying like that. it's more about being dead while being alive. ਸਲੋਕ ॥ Shalok: ਕਬੀਰਾ ॥ Kabeer, the world is dying - dying to death, but no one knows how to truly die. ਐਸੀ ॥੧॥ Whoever dies, let him die such a death, that he does not have to die again. ||1|| ਤਉ ਕੜੀਐ ਜੇ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਇ ਧਿਙਾਣੈ ॥ तउ कड़ीऐ जे किछु होइ धिङाणै ॥ Ŧa▫o kaṛī▫ai je kicẖẖ ho▫e ḏẖińāṇai. We should feel sad, if God were a tyrant. ਤਉ ॥ तउ कड़ीऐ जे भूलि रंञाणै ॥ Ŧa▫o kaṛī▫ai je bẖūl rañāṇe. We should feel sad, if He made us suffer by mistake. ਗੁਰਿ ॥ गुरि कहिआ जो होइ सभु प्रभ ते ॥ Gur kahi▫ā jo ho▫e sabẖ parabẖ ṯe. The Guru says that whatever happens is all by God's Will. <a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AC" onmouseover="ddrivetip('iṯab /i Then', 250)" ;="" onmouseout="hideddrivetip()">ਤਬ ਕਾੜਾ ਛੋਡਿ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਹਮ ਸੋਤੇ ॥੩॥ तब काड़ा छोडि अचिंत हम सोते ॥३॥ Ŧab kāṛā cẖẖod acẖinṯ ham soṯe. ||3|| So I have abandoned sadness, and I now sleep without anxiety. ||3||