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Harsharan paji, one thing I don't understand is I know those spirits, deities, should not do anything that is not the hukam of God, but then there are people that go to those people(babas) that worship them and get bad experiences from them. So is that the play of the person (baba) or of the deities, spirits etc? Where is the line drawn? Also can a person (baba), as they are called, misuse the deities powers? And what happens if they do? Agree with your comment of not being easy to have faith and love for Waheguru without their hukam, one may try very hard, but it will only happen with Gods grace.

Thankuji Jacfsing2 paji. I'm glad to see there are understanding people as yourselves.

Was that a sarcastic comment or a supporting one?

Thankuji so much Harsharan paji, Sikhni777 penji and Kira ji for your kind responses. For some reason I am not able to like Sikhni777 ji's posts, the screen jumps when I click on like. Another question, (deleted, sorryji I already asked it in the first post ) .and Jacfsing2 ji, I can't spell oops for your reply too. Thanku ji for ur reply too* not typing too well today. ?

This is Bhai Jagpal Singh ji

Watching the Sikh channels is a good idea, watch with family members and that you will pick up on having discussions. Good ideas by Nimarta above, what better way than to engage conversation with the elders and the lifestyles before.

Harsharan ji you mentioned powers and boons, just out of curiousity is it possible to receive bad luck or any disadvantages from worshipping them ji? Obviously Waheguru are the creator and karm play a part, but how can it affect a persons life ji?

I think mostly the younger ones look at the translations. But it is difficult to concentrate on the Kirtan and read same time, my multi tasking skills are not great, and I find myself only looking in one direction. Does anybody else look at the high projection screens?

Bhai Sahib Vir Singh Ji ?Never mind the youth being confused over translations, the adults too,? , my posts probably have the wrong translations as I didn't click the other options, not knowing the English translations, in most cases just reading the romanised. Sikhni777 penji pointed this out too. If any translations from now on are wrong plz make me aware ji.

Okji Gupt ji. But sorryji I cannot answer anymore on this topic, as I don't know what else to answer regarding the questions. Sorryji if I came across as rude, but I spent a lot of time researching when I don't feel well. I have provided links to the motor functions and the 9 gates. I'm not sure why you don't understand it. The 5 senses are seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and touching. http://kidshealth.org/classroom/prekto2/body/functions/senses.pdf Motor skills - there are gross motor skills and fine motor skills. Gross motor skills - requires the use of large muscle groups to perform tasks like walking, balancing, crawling. The skill required is not extensive and therefore are usually associated with continuous tasks. Much of the development of these skills occurs during early childhood. The performance level of gross motor skill remains unchanged after periods of non-use. Fine motor skills - requires the use of smaller muscle groups to perform tasks that are precise in nature. Activities like playing the piano and playing video games are examples of using fine motor skills. Generally, there is a retention loss of fine motor skills over a period of non-use. Discrete tasks usually require more fine motor skill than gross motor skills. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_skill Maybe somebody else could shed some light on your questions. Don't stress over it.

Thanku Sikhni777 penji, lovely story. ? ?? ??. Dhan Dhan Bhagat Kabir ji.

Put it into practice verbally too. I:e: family members, shopping when u go to get the atta, anywhere you see an elderly person grab them and say you are doing a project and are practising for college etc. maybe don't grab them , but seriously verbally will improve it more and increase your confidence. ( just don't get the newspaper out n stArt reading to strangers in the street "aj dia khabraa" Lolz ).

Would be a good idea if you had attached the pic or video to narrow it down.

Nobody has said to you don't question it. And anyways when you get your answer what difference will it make to you? Will it have any impact on anything in your life? If it's something you cannot research, then everybody else is the same too. I am not God that can provide somebody with answers they want to hear at the drop of a hat. Everybody is same as you and I also have many weaknesses, nobody is perfect to know all the answers. You are asking also like demanding that people have the answers. Well if you don't know then what makes you think anybody else will. So maybe what you are asking is reversed back onto you. Tell us Gupt ji why are they missed out, and what are motor functions? At least I can say I don't know why you don't understand the resources I have provided. Why can't you research what 5motor functions are? Just type in Google. Now you do what I did go and research, coz that's what I've been doing. Look forward to your reply as I would like to learn too. Thank you ji.

Could have been Coronation Street da dabah with Cadburys Eastereggs (eastenders).

Lol Sesame Street da dabah

Sorry I didn't see it, but on another channel around that time or before I think Bhai Randhir Singh ji were on. Was it him by any chance?

I like the Basics of Sikhi idea, and the subtitle translations of shabads, brilliant idea.

Penji I don't understand, how are they different? Insane and mad have the same definition when you look them up.ਸੁਣਿ ਗਲਾ ਆਕਾਸ ਕੀ ਕੀਟਾ ਆਈ ਰੀਸ ॥ सुणि गला आकास की कीटा आई रीस ॥ Suṇ galā ākās kī kītā ā▫ī rīs. Hanji I understand this now. I think I've come across few lines where the one or two words will not match the translated word, not the whole line though, therefore sometimes it's easy to miss.

Penji Sikhni777 I tried the method you said clicking the other option and there isn't a difference in the latest Gurbani I posted, I think in one it says insane and the other mad . Unless I'm missing something, sometimes I forget to use the click option, sorry ji if I've posted wrong. I never noticed the other available options, thank you ji for pointing them out. But in future I will bear this in mind and check both translations.now I'm thinking which ones are best to post?

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji?? Previously discussed: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/32753-5-shaster-de-rahat/

ਮੇਰੇ ਬਾਬਾ ਮੈ ਬਉਰਾ ਸਭ ਖਲਕ ਸੈਆਨੀ ਮੈ ਬਉਰਾ ॥ मेरे बाबा मै बउरा सभ खलक सैआनी मै बउरा ॥ Mere bābā mai ba▫urā sabẖ kẖalak sai▫ānī mai ba▫urā. O my father, I have gone insane; the whole world is sane, and I am insane. ਮੈ ਬਿਗਰਿਓ ਬਿਗਰੈ ਮਤਿ ਅਉਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ मै बिगरिओ बिगरै मति अउरा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Mai bigri▫o bigrai maṯ a▫urā. ||1|| rahā▫o. I am spoiled; let no one else be spoiled like me. ||1||Pause|| ਆਪਿ ਨ ਬਉਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਕੀਓ ਬਉਰਾ ॥ आपि न बउरा राम कीओ बउरा ॥ Āp na ba▫urā rām kī▫o ba▫urā. I have not made myself go insane - the Lord made me go insane. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਾਰਿ ਗਇਓ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਮੋਰਾ ॥੨॥ सतिगुरु जारि गइओ भ्रमु मोरा ॥२॥ Saṯgur jār ga▫i▫o bẖaram morā. ||2|| The True Guru has burnt away my doubt. ||2|| ਮੈ ਬਿਗਰੇ ਅਪਨੀ ਮਤਿ ਖੋਈ ॥ मै बिगरे अपनी मति खोई ॥ Mai bigre apnī maṯ kẖo▫ī. I am spoiled; I have lost my intellect. ਮੇਰੇ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲਉ ਮਤਿ ਕੋਈ ॥੩॥ मेरे भरमि भूलउ मति कोई ॥३॥ Mere bẖaram bẖūla▫o maṯ ko▫ī. ||3|| Let no one go astray in doubt like me. ||3|| ਸੋ ਬਉਰਾ ਜੋ ਆਪੁ ਨ ਪਛਾਨੈ ॥ सो बउरा जो आपु न पछानै ॥ So ba▫urā jo āp na pacẖẖānai. He alone is insane, who does not understand himself. ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਨੈ ਤ ਏਕੈ ਜਾਨੈ ॥੪॥ आपु पछानै त एकै जानै ॥४॥ Āp pacẖẖānai ṯa ekai jānai. ||4|| When he understands himself, then he knows the One Lord. ||4|| ਅਬਹਿ ਨ ਮਾਤਾ ਸੁ ਕਬਹੁ ਨ ਮਾਤਾ ॥ अबहि न माता सु कबहु न माता ॥ Abėh na māṯā so kabahu na māṯā. One who is not intoxicated with the Lord now, shall never be intoxicated. ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥੫॥੨॥ कहि कबीर रामै रंगि राता ॥५॥२॥ Kahi Kabīr rāmai rang rāṯā. ||5||2|| Says Kabeer, I am imbued with the Lord's Love. ||5||2|| SGGS Ang 855

That's all I can help with, main kachumber nai kad Di harek gal da. Tusi ap v research Kar sakde c eh Sab.

I think Kira the Gurbani translation is nice. Guruji praises the Lord. Page 167, Line 10 ਹਮ ਰੁਲਤੇ ਫਿਰਤੇ ਕੋਈ ਬਾਤ ਨ ਪੂਛਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੰਗਿ ਕੀਰੇ ਹਮ ਥਾਪੇ ॥ हम रुलते फिरते कोई बात न पूछता गुर सतिगुर संगि कीरे हम थापे ॥ Ham rulṯe firṯe ko▫ī bāṯ na pūcẖẖ▫ṯā gur saṯgur sang kīre ham thāpe. I was rolling around in the dirt, and no one cared for me at all. In the Company of the Guru, the True Guru, I, the worm, have been raised up and exalted. Guru Ram Das Page 163, Line 6 ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਬਖਸਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕੀਰਾ ॥੪॥੩॥੧੭॥੩੭॥ हरि हरि बखसि मिलाइ प्रभ जनु नानकु कीरा ॥४॥३॥१७॥३७॥ Har har bakẖas milā▫e parabẖ jan Nānak kīrā. ||4||3||17||37|| O Lord, Har, Har, please forgive me and unite me with Yourself. Servant Nanak is a lowly worm. ||4||3||17||37|| Guru Amar Das Page 1178, Line 10 ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਵਡ ਪੁਰਖ ਵਡ ਅਗਮ ਗੁਸਾਈ ਹਮ ਕੀਰੇ ਕਿਰਮ ਤੁਮਨਛੇ ॥ तुम्ह वड पुरख वड अगम गुसाई हम कीरे किरम तुमनछे ॥ Ŧumĥ vad purakẖ vad agam gusā▫ī ham kīre kiram ṯumnacẖẖe. You are the Great Supreme Being, the Vast and Inaccessible Lord of the World; I am a mere insect, a worm created by You. Guru Ram Das

There you go, this may help, another poster also mentioned urinary is not counted, it's not difficult to understand.