jaswinder singh

I personally thank all gursikhs for sharing our personal loss, the departed soul was my elder brother , introduced me to this site. He was very special to me among 4 brothers , as we shared a common bond we had recieved the Daat of Amrit togather , whem I was 10 & he was 12 which created a special bond between us which we could not have with anyone else. I again thank all the members of forum for showing the bonding of Gurmat with our family HE WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN OUR & HIS THOUGHTS AND IDEAS waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

I fully agree, Baba sri chand ji respected all guru sahibs during his lifetime , always addressing them as Saroop ji meaning the embidiment of Sri Guru nanak Ji . In difficult times , post Baba Banda Sing ji, udasins did great service to the panth by managing gurudwaras when Khalsa had to spend time in Jangal belas .It is only from the time od maharaja ranjit singh , when historicgurdwaras got big land & properties jaydads attached , there was downfall in spiritual life of udasi sants managing gurudhams , further history everyone knows. In evaluating contribution of different sects our approach should be unbiased , based on historic facts only to reach objective analysis . all the positive and negative aspects be analysed and result reached at. no doubt conduct of BabaSri Chand ji with all the gurus , Post GuruNanak ji does not show any negative aspect during his meetings with any of the Gurus. We need to evaluate his contri bution in Sikh history

here we have him in safari attending family function with eldest brother

PJS bro, 2day I saw photo of badals performing aarti in some temple for well being of Sr badal's wife the whole family is befooling all sikh community in the name of religion , some of the times they go to noomehliya Ashutosh . Nobodu can tell what they are upto

THE crux of the matter is , no one wants to leave his motherland, unless forced by circumstances, be it bihari or punjabi. the forces prompting migrations like lack of opportunities, availability of better opportunity else where, persecutions by ruling class all work every where be it Bihar, Punjab or any otherparts of the earth . What are Punjabis ? a diaspora of races - aryans, caucasians, mongols (mugals) , scythians - what todat are called Jatts, Huns, Shaks , Khokhars and may be many more we have no idea about the cycle has been going omn since time immortal. Lets not mix religion with the migration problem . in real terms this gives us opportunity to spread our ideology thanks for reading, sorry if someone feel soffended

IN sikhi the concept of heaven and hell is no accepted, Baba Kabir ji has said SURAG BAAS NAHI BANCHIYE DARIYE NA NARAK NIWAS A sikh does not fall in this trap, for our aim is neither narak or swarg (these sites are temporary halts, if ever they exist at all) the aim of a Sikh is above this , to be in unison with the Creator ) . forthee we believe that TAHA BAIKUNTH TERA( THE PLACE WHERE WE RECITE THE KIRTI OF THE CREATOR IS BAIKUNTH OR THE SO CALLED SAWARAG)_ PL FORGIVE IF OFFENDED WJKK WJKF

i remember my childhood days when we would visit sri Annandpur Sahib in summer vacations (late sixties & seventies all those old majestic buildings enclosing history with them have vanished , even in recent past gurdwata Duhk Nivaran at patiala and and a Barontha tree situated in vicinity , under which Guru Teg bahadur sahib ji sat have been demolished before our eyes. The celebration of Khalsa tercentenary was preceded by the extension of present gurdwara Sri KesGarh sahib and Sisganj sahib at Anandpur Sahib , also involving demolition of whatever was left of historic surroundings. This all we tolerate , and again vote our brain less representatives in SGPC who knowingly or unknowingly allow this to happen in in connivance with the kar sewa guys . To add we pay for destruction of our history . We do not need Indiras or Congress or RSSto destroy our heritage , our own ignorance is sufficient i pray that Panth awakens and preserves whatever is left bhul chukk maaf. please forgive if someone finds my words too harsh

I salute to k singh deep for initiating such relevent topic, actually we guys always find some excuse to interprete the things our way (for those who think there is nothing bad in caste system ), not even sparing gurbani.I personally know veer deep ji , he spent his life perfectly according to Gurmat , and passed away recently on 5 Apr 2010 after brief illness . let us all pray that his soul stays in unison with the great Creator

Hi LOP - This is what we in our young days were told by the learned Singhs soon after the birth of the baby - take some water in a sarbloh batta put some patashas and recite japji saheb also keep stirring the water with small kirpan or khanda - the patashas will dissolve before the Japji is recited in full , do ardas to thank the God for blessing us with baby and pray that the baby spends its life in virtuos way as per the Gurmat Now put some drops of this nectar in baby's mouth and the rest be partaken by the parents . this will be the real GURTI WHICH WILL HAV LIFELONG EFFECT ON THE NEW SOUL. AIf this gurti is given by a gursikh with real virtuos life it would be even better . We can also prepare karah Prasad along with bur we should not insist it be given to baby. This procedure was told by my father , and practised in our family

literally PAtola means Silken cloth , in Maharashtra & Gujtat Patola is a special variety of silk woven for women clothings Specially sarees. In present context - as I have been explained about the line by the learned Gursikhs Karmi aveh Kapra nadri mokh duar - The soul gets the human body (the kapra) by its karma in previous janams , by simran it becomes eligible for nadar of the akal purakh ( which sufis call Nigah - e - karam or in punjabi seeing with lots of affection and meher by the Almighty or the Murshid (Guru ) which leads the soul to the door of Mukti

Yes , I agree with shastr, There is another saying having same meaning Janani Janah ta bhagat jan, key Data key soor, nahi ta janani baanjh reh kahi gawaweh noor meaning o mother , give birth to either a BHAGAT, or a bighearted donor, or a braveheart, otherwise it is not worth trying to procreate as it would be wastage of all the pains & efforts associated with giving birth to offspring thanks

To GPS, Yes, Christian calender- more popularly known as Gregorian Calender(Pope Gregory made this by doing necessary amendments in Julian calender)is a Solar Calender, in India Saka calender the official calender of the Govt of india is also solar Calender, Bikrami calender is Lunar calender, and to correct youin all humility , it is Hindu calender named after the King Bikramaditya of Ujjain Islamic Hijri calender is also lunar calender. My requesyt to all is, we accept a lunar calender or Solar calender let it be accepted by majority and all important days be celebrated accordingly and let us not mix the two , we cannot under any logic juxtapose them on each other . Otherwise as our Great gurus have Said Maah Diwas moorat bhaley jin Kauo nadar Karey all days are made by the the almighty, all are equally auspicious if we have His NADAR if someone does not want to see logic , bye i would be off this topic

Dear _dont know_ Taking Amrit(Amrit Chakna) is in principle only beginning to be Khalsa , It is formal initiation into Khalsa fold (As being baptised is to become christian) . Thereafter it is uptu ourselves how much we practise the rehat as explained by the PANJ PYARE during the ceremony. IT IS ONLY BY following the path shown to us that leads us to the ultimate goal and it is We ourselves have to lead the life according to the teachings of our gurus , that produces the virtues as described by you .So we have to practise the tenets ourselves to reach the heights of being Gursikh in real sense. then the question why take the Amrit ? if we have to toil all that, First it makes mandatory to us to practise the virtuous life, makes us disciplined,as we have to follow the rehat maryada, and above all the first step is always the most important, all other actions come later only.

Hey bloom its better always to be precise in communication to be better understood Please be the same always for brevity is the soul of wit(TO PUT YOUR POINT OF VIEW TO OTHERS) We are not enemies , we are brothers , exchanging views to convice each others and adding to our knowledge, knowing more facts thanx

The question is What are we doing to unite the community?

To, all concerned, my request was and is , to sit togather and decide whether we should have sikh calender based on solar sytem( based on earhts revolution around sun), on revolution equals one year - in Christian (Gregorian ) and Saka (Indian calender or the lunar system(moons movement aroun earth- 1revolution equals one lunar month as in Hijri(islamic ) and Bikrmi (hindu calender) .Then all the dates and occassions be decided on the accepted basis , where am I becoming illogical in my sugesstions . I again request to discuss the topic in logical manner, there is no use in calling others by foul names when we ourselves have no convincing answer to the question raised. Only this kind of rabble rousing an dnot answering to queries have driven our youngs away from the faith . So please be nice in language and respond only with convincing reply , thayt only will lead to some united decisions. Our aim is to Unite the community only please forgive anyone feels hurt, but be sure Iam not for or against any person or Group , my side is the teachings of Sri Guru Nanak devJi and his next sucessors only

we donot have comments from K S DEep , the enlightened brother on this topic, Deep are you listening, plz comment , your valued comments will benefit ll

Peshi is like confession in christianity . In our faith Panj Piyare sitting togather are the form of Guru .In Gurbani the God and the guru is described as the Forgiving One (in many Places in Adi Granth Sahib Ji) . So the panj Pyare being the Embodiment of Guru are also Forgiving, the Punish ment (otr TankhaHin Sikhism) is proscribed for our purification and is in the form of Paath or Some kind of Sewa .As sewa and Simran and Humility(nimrata ) are the three pillars of our faith , accepting with humility our mistake honestly itself leads towards purity of soul, further Guru in the form of Panj Pyare and Sangat in always forgiving (in Sikh History even great Jathedars like Baba Ala singh of Patiala undertook peshi before sangat asn was forgiven, later Maharaj aRanjit Singh also presented himself before baba Phoola Singh Akali for his misdemenours and was let off with token punishment , so no need to be afraid if you are honest in admission and ready to make amends for future may go ahead , only repentance and pennance will clear yor concience if U think some sin has been committed . Believe me your purification has already been started since you are admitting with courage your mistakes before so many readers , which is another embodiment of Sadh Sangat Good luck , may the Almighty bestow his blessings on your nirmal Atma , my good wishes are with you

Yeah love is not forbidden but weird things like momentary lustrous attraction in the name of love is not advisable . Not in any faith of the world . We can be in unison with the creater by loving him only. What in sufism is termed as Ishq mijaji is worldly love and Ishq hakiki is love with God The milloin dollar question is what actually love is? love as widely accepted by the Gianis and Sants , is caring and giving without expectation in return . If we can indulge in such Love , yes it is already advised by the learned .it is first step towards the Bhakti

Stories like this teach us how we ignore the most precious gifts the god wants to give us , for we are attracted by the outer looks of th ethings we see, but most of the times looks are deceptive all requested to please share such stories thanks hats off to guy who posted it

It would have been better if PJS had controlled his emotions and replied logically to the questions raised in the article translated by him . Yes I agree that a lot of harm to Sikh ideology has been done by the Udasi and Nirmala Sects, but there is a contribution by these sects in spread of the thought of Guru Nanak Dev Ji , and we the sikhs could have capitalise and build on their work by bringing the semi sikhs(prepared by these sects ) into mainstream of Sikhi . We can not blame them for our mistakes . the need of hour is to identify among these sects the true believers in the message of BAba Nanak ji and the agents of Brahminism (who need exposed ) so that sangat saves itself from these elements . Lets not forget that these are nirmalas who have rendered great service in making Tikas of many parts of SGGS ji and also they are the greatest exponents of comparative religion amongst the Sikhs . Further calling some one by turning his name into feminine (Darshno for Darshan Singh) merely to derogate him, exposes our anti woman mind (are we not told by our Great gurus to respect women and treat them as equals). Which again mean we have not imbibed the true spirit of Sikhi , beleve me my wife was greatly disturbed after reading this article of PJS for his anti woman stand . I think in all the faiths of world there are thousands of sects , burt they do not slander each other like we people do . in the above article I do not find a single logical answer to the writings in the spokesman to finish myself may I request all to please remain alert to your language , and please provide befitting logical replies only , in the light of the Gurbani and Gurmat , for Gurbani as I feel gives reply to all questions thanks Please do not feel offended My request is to only being logical

Why do we not understand that all the different meanings to colours are ascribed by the man himself. one color may have different attributes in different time & places . Like in india the bridal color is red\crimson While in west the bridal dress is always white(which in India and the east is worn in mourning times. The crux of the matters is all the colors are made by the Almighty for our benifit(VIBGYOR) are the colors which our eyes can differentiate, black is absence of any color, whirte is combo of all the seven, and there may be many more which are beyond recognition by the human eyes. so lets enjoy the all and praise the Lord(almighty)

FGiving sentimental ideas (just above ) on air\net benefits none . If we participate in any discussion, must contribute with our ideas on the topic supported by logic please do not waste everybody time , do contribute in positive manner if you can thanks

I once again request everyperson concerned to see the logic behind the move, if there is no logic, the move has to be rejected. Please , we should be arguing the topic on reason only, not on sentiments only. Secondly our great Gurus have shown us the path to be followed, weight all pros and cons on the parametres of Gurmat , if something does not conform to Gurmat , we have the reason and right to reject it outright . So please apply your mind the standard parameters of Gurmat are before us , if not only this calander , but every other issue fits inside all corners of Gurmat , accept it , otherwise reject it , disregarding the source. Please forgive if it seems to hurt any one, but we have only KASAUTI of gurmat to examine such issues and ideas thanks

The original calender as proposed by PS Purewas and later adopted by SGPC is a solar calender measuring year as one revolution of earth around sun ( previously in india known as Saka Calander while the new amendments undertaken are based on lunar movement ( introducing Panchamis, masiya, Puranmasi etc.) by doing this the whole community is becoming laughing stock in the world.Hey Parmatma sadi leadership nu vi sumat bakhsho , so that they know basics of Astronomy before doing any damage.