VanHelsingh

One thing is for sure: we can't be 'sache puttar' and then get left looking like idiots (when such alliances invariably turn sour sooner or later) when forging these alliances. We've got to be two steps ahead of any potential ally, because I can guarantee you THEY will be three steps ahead of us, lol. As long as the alliance is strong, then we should behave honourably, but when you get wind of chalakhiyan or betrayal, always consider your own side first, but equally don't make life-long enemies because you never know whose door you'll have to knock on in the future! Does this kind of mentality and approach sound like the kind of thing we're capable of? I'll reserve judgement on that, hahaha.

I think you give too much credit to the people of those states that you're hoping will want to break away from India IF Sikhs manage to wrestle into a position for gaining Khalistan. Most people are more worried about being fed and keeping a roof over their head than any idealistic fight for freedom, which'll most probably lead to years of unrest and instability. Indians are an apathetic lot.

It's not dissing Singhs, is it? I mean, because the white fella also turns into a bodybuilder?

@ Singh4Peace - A wonderfully balanced outlook. I personally hope those of us who consider ourselves Sikhs of the Guru never have to face such moral or ethical quandaries about where to go, what to do, who to talk to (or not talk to), etc. For those who want to have their high-flying career BUT also want to remain at their Guru's feet I imagine it must be really difficult to achieve that balance in this world. Good luck to them is all I can say.

The Asian version of 007. Just a name I made up, haha.

I dare say there's a few jokers in the UK who already think they are James Bond.... Jamshed Bond, more like.

Yeah spot-on with that, I fall into the same trap as well. For example, I passionately believe Idris Elba should be the next James Bond --- the first Black Bond (don't laugh) --- and anyone that says otherwise is a filthy racist. :lol2:

Yeah you're right. I've been going overboard on white 'privelege and power' articles lately and everywhere I look I see injustice, lol.

I'm reluctant to believe the supernatural elements of what occur when these people meet during various times of the year, but from a purely political viewpoint I wouldn't be surprised if they're all getting together and setting the agenda for both sides, and then playing their little dramas out in public to satisfy the unwashed masses.

Sounds like a bit of a chamcha to me. By all means bring your fellow religionists to task, but don't let off the "man" so easily. It seems he's laying all the blame for what's wrong firmly at the feet of his own lot when we know Western intervention is as much as to blame as anything else. Sounds like someone is desperate for mainstream approval and congratulations for being a good guy by accusatorily wagging his finger in the direction of his fellow Muslim.

He's a chalakoo masquerading as a man of the people. They're all the same when it comes down to it; this party politics nonsense is just to get us idiots riled up come election time; same in the UK. Dunno why people haven't figured this out yet.

I don't think the music is the problem (I think), rather the alcohol issue which is quite understandable. It's nothing to be ashamed of if a person doesn't want to be around sharaab or in a similar environment no matter how mellow and non-kaam the music is being played in that location. On a wider note, high-flying Sikhs are going to invariably find themselves in places such as these, as the modern working environment isn't limited to just office hours. There's a lot of stuff that goes on outside the 9-to-5 where, you could argue, the real deals, decisions and contacts are made. But not rolling in those circles (I'm a simple pendu boy, lol) I'm not in danger of frequenting such establishments, but I find it difficult to wholeheartedly condemn those who do. I'm sure we must appreciate there's a difference between drinking it up at a strip joint, and the kind of place where this Singh and his wife ended up spending the evening. I personally wouldn't do it myself, as I said, but I find I'm reluctant to cast-out those who do. :biggrin2: Although not sure the Singh in Washington was cultivating contacts in the blues club. Just thought I'd make that clear before anyone chimes in with my oversight!

A modern, liberal Singh who likes to listen to jazz flute.

The Mughals claimed descent from the Ottomans (who commanded a huge empire which nearly threatened the whole of Europe), who were in turn based out of Turkey, hence the use of 'Turk' by Guru Sahib.

Aside from the histrionics regarding people's love lives, I think as Sikhs we need to support each other whenever issues such as these arise. It's not easy trying follow a righteous path as well as trying to traverse the normal tribulations of life everybody in the world has to face. It's not a good thing to see people suffering, and with the benefit of wisdom due to experience, those of us who've been through similar troubles should help out our youngers brothers and sisters. It's not professional help but it's pretty close.

Puts fire into a man's belly.

First of all, judging by a few of your posts I've read in the past, you need to stop labelling yourself and others or what you perceive yourself or other people to be. Phrases like "manmukh", "Gurmukh", just leave them alone as you sound very immature when on one hand you seem to be in quite a few serious pickles yourself, yet you consider yourself superior to others on account of what exactly? You've taken Amrit? Good for you, but that doesn't mean the job is done. I'm guessing you're young hence the lack of maturity on your part regarding these matters so just some friendly advice: Until you reach brahmgian status you (and all of us) are manmukhs. There are very few Gurmukhs around. Giving up television, music, etc., doesn't make one a Gurmukh. Also, again going by a few of your previous posts, I think you've mentally convinced yourself you have issues because you've taken Amrit and you've relinquished your past lifestyle whatever that use to be. There's no need to punish yourself. You don't need to suffer in order for your status as an Amritdhari to be valid in the eyes of... whoever you're trying to prove these things to. Secondly you need to take responsibility for your own actions as there seems to be quite a large disconnect between reality and your own outlook on life, and a balance needs to achieved. It's great you've given your head to Guru Sahib, but by doing so you must also understand YOU need to do a lot of the heavy lifting; He shows us the way, yet with his kirpa we need to take those steps. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Thirdly, the fact that this difficult period for you (I won't call it 'mental illness' as that may be over-egging your problem but it sounds pretty darn close) is considered to be "behzti and dumb" is probably one of the reasons you aren't getting the requisite support to help deal with your problems. I suggest your parents stop worrying about what people will think if they discover their daughter is suffering for whatever reason, and instead do something to help their child. Burying their head in the sand won't make this problem go away.

Keith Vaz is a jumped-up toe rag of the highest order. Don't expect help from this guy, unless you've got very deep pockets as the Hinduja Brothers scandal proved many years ago.

Okay that's the one, thank-you. I think I may have been referring to 101 Rehats of the Sikh Faith which has guidelines from various rehatnaamas as well as from Guru Sahibs.

I may be completely wrong but in the 101 (or is it 110) rehats of Guru Gobind Singh Ji they say "My Sikh will not eat his evening meal before he completes his nitnem". Can anyone confirm this? Either way I think it's a good one to adhere to. I'm sure you can survive an hour or so without eating!

I walk in slow-motion with a dhol playing in the background. They understand I'm a pretty big deal. :giggle: @ Pehlvan Ji - The only way to get back that swagger and psyche you mentioned is to recite 10th Paatshah's bani --- I'm a firm believer! I find younger Singhs who hang around with females in a group get the most grief from passing idiots. The assumption is they're a bit soft, plus it brings them down in-front of their lady friends when it appears they can't stand up to any nonsense.

When 9/11 and 7/7 occured it was rather shocking to suddenly feel eyes trained on me as I went about my business. I'm a big, intimidating lad so I haven't had it as bad as some, but in recent years when something like this has occured you can almost sense the animosity in the air. If someone has a problem I ask them to their face in a rather loud voice; 9 times out of 10 that is usually enough to stop these cowards thinking they can send snide little comments my way as they walk past.

Without a doubt brother.

It's tough to get away from when so much of our mythology is shared with the Hindu faith. But I guess you could say the same of the 3 Abrahamic faiths, but the difference being none of those (and their followers) are under illusions as to their own uniqueness. They love reminding us how they're seperate to each other, lol.