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The Primal Void as described in gurbani is the Silence from which all was created. It is a state of Absolute Nothingness-It is the True State of God... Becuase it is the True state of God which He discovered himself to be, it is the Ultimate Power- It is more powerful than siddhis, more powerful than any form of white magic, it is All Loving, Without Fear, beyond form, caste creed and is Most Humble for to be most humble is to be Truly Nothing(and to be nothing is to be most Powerful, a truth that most people refuse to accept-which is the main reason we are stuck in maya).... The choice to be humble and to silence the mind to achieve and experience this state is so difficult for the egostistical human beings, for we have been programmed and seduced since birth, by God himself, to love everything that proves to be the antithesis of these qualities, i.e the 5 thieves- We love everything with an image(the Black Demon of Attachment)- we cannot let go of the imagery/ the pride and ego because of imagery/ the greed for imagery/ the lust for false imagery(people)/ the anger towards false imagery(people)... God has planned his testing and learning ground so intricately and has seduced us so much through maya so that only his most Beloved Ones, the ones who truly want him are able to find him through samadhi(bhagti and naam simran -the silencing of the mind(through attuning oneself to naam which is the frequency of a balanced gyan(Balance) that applies across a universal spectrum that lives to discover while remaining detached from the nasha of the discovery be it High or Low)to experience the nothingness in the deepest meditation) for it is Only Those who detach from the imagery, from the khel that keeps us in the pain of births and deaths that are able to walk on the path to become jivan mukt... The people around us, the distractions of the false images of your family, friends, nature, materials, anything you can feel, see, hear and touch(all distractions) etc are all God, He is the Saint and the Sinner, he is simply testing us and teaching us that the nothingness is his true state, for attachment to the false Imagery which is all you see, feel and touch Only Brings Pain.- No matter how much it feels like sukh happiness, the only real true nasha and happiness is from the detachment and silencing of the mind which is the only way we can discover the Truth which is Him. Remember that Dukh and Sukh are fed to us equally, how much sukh we recieve is how much dukh we'll eventually get, the only way to get out of it is the state of Balance ie. silencing of the mind i.e nothingness i.e Truth i.e Him.

Beautiful- The Guru is above the 5 thieves- that's what you're feeling, none of us fools can Ever say we're sinless b/c we sin just about all the time, we are all dirty, we think bad thoughts, we try to cover them up by pretending to be pure- don't ever trust another human for we live in slavery to maya/five theives, why would you trust anyone or hold anyone in high regard who lives as a slave to vice?

God says all worldy associations are false, if people are judging you worngfully, learn the lesson that only god knows you truly- God says step on His path and pay no attention to public opinion, so who cares what anyone thinks, The majority of Guru Gobind Singh Jis crowd on Vaisakhi thought he'd gone mad when he stepped out with a bloodstained sword, that should be enough to tell you that peoples opinions mean sh*te....

I have already stated that gurbani has deemed muslims and hindus as ignorant, I was not denying that.. Your statement that Buddhists do not believe in God is ignorant to say the least, God lives in the nothingness, he has no description, no image, no form- The practice of non-extremism: a path of moderation away from the extremes of self-indulgence and self-mortification The middle ground between certain metaphysical views (for example, that things ultimately either do or do not exist)[39] An explanation of Nirvana (perfect enlightenment), a state wherein it becomes clear that all dualities apparent in the world are delusory (see Seongcheol) Another term for emptiness, the ultimate nature of all phenomena (in the Mahayana branch), a lack of inherent existence, which avoids the extremes of permanence and nihilism or inherent existence and nothingness The bold print is what they believe, that sounds like a god of no form or image, living in a state of Nothingness, don't you think? None of us truly know god as long as we live in maya, If you knew who God actually was, you'd be enlightened/jivan Mukht by now...For it is our minds/worldly knowledge that keeps us in the darkness of ignorance/Maya/Illusion The basics are the same, one God, the sustainer, the creator of all beings, all loving, compassionate, All pervading and Most humble(Most humble= Nothing)....

My friend although you slander me I still love you, see how nirvair works? One striving to live in Nirvair understands every single little occurance to be Perfection and deserved, the results of our deeds in this lifetime or previous lifetimes... We can reap some truly Awful karams, but to see that it is God himself Beating us is Truth, there is no ego in it, no seperation of You and Me, it's just a Game of Balance, the Muslims serve their purpose as did the Moghuls of their time... Now do we honestly believe that our Beloved Gurus, the very embodiments of the Lord himself could not have floored/ kiilled the moghuls with one sweep of the hand? Of course they could have, they were no different to the Lord But that would not have been respecting His hukam, hence Nirboah and Nirvair, they lived a Fearless, all loving existance by accepting hukam , God's command, Walking in the way of gods will is the Way we become truthful as described by gurbani... They taught and fought back when they could, as per hukam... They hated NOONE for they realised that God was Everyone and everything as described in Gurbani.. The Perfect Master is pervading everywhere. sarab bi-aapat pooran Dhanee. jw kI soBw Git Git bnI ]2] His Glory is manifest in each and every heart. ||2|| We do not like injustice- yes I have already stated that Gurbani claims muslims to be ignorant, that is where the darkness stems from, that is where the Duty of teaching Truth comes in, God is wherever Truth is spoken- Guruji's walked the earth and preached gurbani, they even taught the sinner, Aurangzeb was taught the errors of His way, Guruji could have let him rot away deeper and deeper in the Sh**t of maya but he spoke the Truth to him in Zafarnama which caused him to repent- He loved the man who tortured his sons horribly and was the reason his two other sons were dead also- Do you not see Love in GuruJi's actions? What I am trying to say is, don't get caught up in the game, we live in an illusion, everyone and everything we see around us is a false illusion, He lives in the nothingness(void described in Gurbani), if we do not live Nirvair and nirboah, we cannot be close to Him/Truth- This is His game, and he plays it and feeds us karma from our loved ones aswell as our enemies, those who can see him in Every action through Thick and Thin excel- negativity is Him teaching us a fault still exists, our Gurus didn't let negativity/hate/enmity touch them once they started living Truth... Even in wielding the sword- have you not heard the stories of those who gave injured moghuls water on the battlefield and of Guru Ji requesting their heads be chopped off with a clean sweep to avoid extra pain? A serial murderer Sajjan Thug became one of GuruJis greatest disciple, do you not see the lessons the Gurus were giving us in their actiions and the ways they chose to live life, they showed that the greatest sinner could become Jivan Mukt, is that not proof within itself what Truth can achieve? Even hell is Love, it is god pushing us to learn from our mistakes and to become closer to the Truth, God loves Unconditionally, that is what our complicated minds cannot fathom, we forget him and curse him when things dont go our way in a worldly sense and forget that he Is the muslim, he is everywhere and anywhere... Universal Love, it is not a hippy saying, it is the Truth, because God=Love, it is the emotion needed for us to discover who we Truly are....

The outside means nothing, it is the purity of the inside that matters- these girls are judging people on outer appearances- that is a maya fuelled choice to make...

Universal Love(Equal Love of both the slanderer and the Saint) is Nirvair and comes into being with Nirboah(No fear in the recognition that God is Everywhere/ is Everyone/ Everything(even the tsunami, the serial killer, the torturer and the torture instrument, the gigantic hairy spider) so what is there to fear). Hence knowing God Is All allows one to Love all and Fear nothing... Through bhagti, the bhagat discovers this physically- this is the state of being psychologically sound in all situations- it is the Gyan of God... God calls the ignorant 'Fools' in Gurbani, Jesus said 'Forgive them Father for they know not what they do', Only when one sees god in all can he understand and accept the concept of Hukam- that every single little thing that happens is Perfect and pre ordained by God himself....

Did anyone feel the beauty of the moment when the crowd was praying calling Allah, i.e Satnam/Waheguru their saviour and giver of everything. Step back and realise that the Same Allah they pray to and Love is the same Satnam/Waheguru we love..... He is in All, Satnam Waheguru Ji is Loved by: Muslims Christians Hindus Buddhists I have a christian friend who speaks to god and hears him speak back to her as Loud as She hears me speak- She hears Satnam/Waheguru, she is black Another friend prays to Satnam Waheguru 5 times a day, the same God she loves hears my heart and Love for Him at the same time.... He listens to the prayers and love of my muslim friend, christian friend, hindu friends at the same time that he hears my love and prayers- Is that not an amazing Truth? Gurbani is Truth, some may follow different paths, And yes Gurbani says the muslim has one eye open while the hindu has both eyes closed- i.e the muslim sees some Truth while the hindu is deluded by ignorance(not all, mostly ones who only believe in demi Gods)- What they have in common though is faith and love, they desire to find Him and to live in truth, they are just slightly misguided on how to embark on this journey- The gyan of matyrdom was spread by jesus,His tennents were Truth- the gyan of remaining psychologically sound in any given situation and of accepting hukam- We are blessed to have the full truth in Gurbani before us so why not educate our brothers and sisters who love Him and search for him also(although some are slightly misguided) instead of hating them...

A true sant Is living walking gurbani- same as the gurus which is why the Gurus held them in such high regard... Gurbani says the Brahmgyani holds the world up and is ruler of the entire world, that is not added in gurbani for nothing.... it's just recogising the true sant that most have a problem with, but if one truly hears the inner hukam and puts their faith in god, He leads us the right way, it's all about faith in God and his plan/ will for us.....

A turban does not make one pure, it is the cleanliness of the inside through naam that makes one pure- Khalsa means pure, the term khalsa is spread too loosley these days, the pure are those who live in truth/naam 24/7 and are actually pure- through and through... A man who wears a turban who makes every effort to purify the inside is absolutely amazing, who cares what others think, if you know you are applying gurbani then who cares, the gurus and bhagats were slandered to the ground- doesnt matter if you look like a prostitute or a leper, purity is untouchable and undefeatable, if someone slanders you they give you their bhagti/ good deeds automatically so don't rise to theslander, thank them for helping you... You know and other truth seekers know they should be bowing at your feet, the fact that they are stuck deep in the sh***t of maya means they feel who you are but refuse to recognise/admit it so in their ego and choice of ignorance and above all, jealousy- they slander... but the lowest on earth is the highest in God's court- also remember its just god slandering you- if you feel the negativity of their words etc, he's teaching a fault still exists in you so work on it, the clean soul is beyond the nashas of pleasure and pain, only the Truth/balance exists...

Doesn't matter what kind of sikh you are, amritdhari or not, each bhagat walks their own path, some are harrassed some maybe not so much, racially or not it doesn't matter, harrassments and slander is enough Slander is expected for just about any bhagat No bhagat is EVER integrated with mortals, how can a bhagat who's frequency is higher and finer than the mortals ever truly integrate when they are an outcaste(diff frequency-Truth)... The bhagat is the lowest of the low, the most humble, their humble and light frequency grates on the dark energies that affect others...

^^^ No, appearance means nothing, it is not permanent, god lives in a state of Nothingness(the void in gurbani), this is our Real and Only appearence, the All the rest is an illusion of maya... Many have shown themselves to be wolves in sheeps clothing, in Maha Kalyug(present day) even most who appear to be disciplined and holy are not, you'd better get used to it, this day and age is about the image society... To the poster, don't worry, leave everything to god, even if he brings pain to you, keep loving and trusting him and one day you will achieve the supreme state which is the true bliss..

I just want to say that I hope 'Moneh' Singhs will be respected also from now on, a sikh is a sikh by deed and those Singhs were ready for matyrdom, they would not have turned up if they were not... I also noticed alot of the singhs were from India and think that it is beautiful that that they care so much for gurdwarras and people in England aswell... I humbly bow at th feet of All of those who put their lives at risk for Truth... A sikh can read paath until the cows come home but if it not applied/ sikhs are not ready to accept a potential matyrdom like this, there is no point... This was a true test by Parbrahm Ji of love for Him and faith and all of those singhs, Including the Monah Singhs passed....Satnam Ji

p.s Kudos to all those protecting the gurdwarras I humbly bow at your feet, I feel so proud knowing there are such decent beings out there.... Please do not get a criminal record though, defend and be smart about it my brothers, we will need you to spread truth in the future.... And also please forgive this foolish sister of yours for not having any fighting skills to come and help, it is something I will work on in the future before something like this can happen again.... :waheguru:

When Baba Nanak said that in Kalyug the demons have taken birth, he wasn't joking..... There is no humanity, the demons have burned down churches and attacked gurdwarras, they've looted and stolen to satisfy their own greed and ego's under pretence that it is all for a just cause, there is no victory in robbing fathers, mothers and grandparents of their livelihoods, of smashing up innocent peoples cars etc... My relative was walking in Ealing today observing the damage and came across an elderly man crying, he was so upset that his car had been ruined for no reason, he said a whole carpark had it's cars smashed up and in another place there were cars that had been burned,,, Look at this: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video--injured-boy-in-riots-mugged.html Let us all learn a lesson from this and realise what a whole lot of our fellow human beings are capable of, The difference between a gurmukh and a manmukh is that one is an angel while one lives in the darkness(demon)...

At university I knew of singhs who did drugs regularly, sessioned alot, smoked etc. I'll never forget one time when I saw a whole car full of singhs in southall get out of their car, they were young, maybe aged 18-23, they sounded like they were from here by their accents. I remember I thought at the time, here are some good guys who represent sikhi, everytime someone sees them they'll think about our beautiful path- 2 mins later they opened their boot for everyone to see, in a very public area, took out bottles of sharab and started sessioning.... I was so disgusted, I felt like getting out and killing them.... I now have a much calmer reaction to such occurances, and have learnt the lesson that appearance means Jack Sh***t , cleaning oneself from within and living truthfully(clean) every moment makes one Truthful....

Doesn't matter if you believe it or not, those who are fearless will carry on researching until they are 100% sure, so when the potential threat makes itself fully known(although it really has enough already, their symbols and agenda could literally be plastered on every front door- they are very proud of their achievements and like waving it in the faces of their so called slaves) , they are not caught by suprise It is very easy to regard one as a simple conspiracy theorist, it's another to discover the reality of the situation before the slander leaves ones mouth...

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And yet until we get to a high level of bhagti, we always will live in fear..... The killer in Norway was someone who supported groups associated with Freemasons, they have their connections in police, law, media, political groups, they try and put some of their people basically anywhere and everywhere there is power, they get off on killing people and causing Chaos to achieve order(scaring the crap out of us so we wet our pants and become dependant on them and watched more closely- Big Brother style......, that serial killer was trained properly in England before going back to his own country... He knew all about the knights templar etc, he was married to the masonic cause, and every single Sikh by now should know who they are because they are the Aurangzebs of this era but more dangerous times a thousand if not more.... They assumed control of not only of India but the Entire World a while ago, they have been planning attacks etc for a while now, they have underground bunkers etc... What I'm saying is that to get rid of all this negativity to go back to an age of Satyug, we need more Brahmgyanis, more bhagats more committed to naam(naam=attunement to Truth frequency), physically applying gurbani, not just reading paath- truly All fearless and All loving beings.... it takes one star to light up the sky...

It's not a religion, there is no religion (remember 'No hindu No muslim'), only Truth principles that apply across the universe- Truth/Gurbani is All there is, it is not limited to anything, it's just ignorance and attachment to the imagery of the world/mind that leads us to believe it is not all pervading. It literally Is the person claimed to be muslim and is the one claiming to be hindu, jewish, Sphagetti monster, whatever.. Theres no need to spread a religion, just Truth which is everywhere in everything and is everything and everyone... So in actual fact everyone is actually Sikh(a student) as god everywhere is continuously teaching us lessons... He teaches us through maya how to ruin ourselves, hence once we've had enough/ sick of it/ learn enough lessons(pain, and even pain in so called pleasure while in maya) we start to become Truthful...

We do, we just recognise and fall to the feet of the lower level ones and slander the high level (Atal Awastha) Brahmgyanis... But it's all according to God's hukam, only those who deserve company will have the company- God never fails to give what is deserved... Upon meeting such a brahmgyani you will be tested- Gurbani says the true Brahmgyani seems involved in maya, family etc. but really is detached and absorbed in the lord 24/7, the ruler of the universe, so that pretty much rules out alot of people who claim Atal Awastha(unbreakable state) Brahmgyani status ....(also remeber Guru Harkrishan was a child so the possibilities of who it could be are endless- not just limited to an elderly man or woman..) But all the bani really is in SGGSJi, bani is guru and guru is bani, An Atal Awasth brahmgyani is gurbani itself, but they break it down and explain it to us and help us really understand...

My relative was banned from entering India and had to change his name becuase he spoke up about it and asked for answers.... The leaders of countires are heartless- The kings have become butchers. 1984 was a holocaust but wasn't made as public as the jewish holocaust, the fact that criminals still rule India is truly a reflection of the Maha Kalyug, while german war criminals were hunted down, Hindus and so called sikhs(on the govts side) who were involved were not....But the cowards who indulged in the mass murder will pay in the life or the next, do not fear... The people on here who are speaking up are warriors, they are serving Truth, not sitting back watching the sinners continue sinning.. how will the sinners ever learn if they are not spoken to about the issue, Guru Gobind Singh Ji issued the Zafarnama to Aurangzeb, and Aurangzeb repented...Even if they are not gaoled or killed, the sikhs mission is done when he speaks the Truth, unless fighting as a last resort( i.e in defence while being attacked physically or helping others being attacked physically)... It is up to the sinners to accept but it is our duty to at least speak it or we are denying them the Truth.... All of our gurus taught(spoke the truth to) great sinners, some sinners fell at the Gurus feet in repentance, others did not- following the Gurus/Sants examples of how they lived etc is what a student of Truth(God) should do..

P.s you can kep preaching but the Reality Is alot of people on this forum are so complacent that they will refuse to believe they are any sort of danger, they'll continue their arguments and debates not realising they could be at deaths door. .. Look what just happened in Norway, my young relatives were supposed to be at that camp, they go every single year but this time they had already been on holiday so sat it out... They are always telling me how beautiful, safe and peaceful oslo is(it's been voted best place in the world to live more than once), and have lived such priviledged lives and in one day, everything they know went down the drain... Their friends were killed and parts of their amazing city blown up Our problem is that instead of preparing for death, i.e by dying while still alive- we are still living in hopes and desires, when that time comes for our departure we won't be ready and able to accept it wholeheartedly- and in the case of matyrdom, we won't be able to accept that whole heartedly either- that is not accepting hukam and the whole point of sikhi is to accept hukam- his will- it is how we become truthful... Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl. So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away? Hukam rajā▫ī cẖalṇā Nānak likẖi▫ā nāl. ||1|| O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1|| Acceptance of hukam is True Love, for whatever god does is seen to be sweet and His love for us is apparent to us(i.e he is doing everything to us for our benefit)- Our lives are just stories and the more we accept that every moment is perfect without reacting in Maya(5 thieves) the more truthful we become.... The gyan of god is that we become psychologically sound in all circumstances, how else did could the gurus and sants accept the hot plate of matyrdom... The hot plate is god, the attacker is god, so there are no suprises, no fear, no highs or lows, just Him everywhere/ just the balance/Truth being served.... We can't really want anything other than Him and he is All- so really, we already have him, we just need to realise it and His true state(no image, formless/ all pervading) and accept that his story for us is perfect and is pushing us closer to him with each lesson learnt...

Yes they are trying to control the world (to line their own pockets) and there are also satanists(dark witches and wizards who do jadoo) who work to achieve the same goal for the glory of the darkness- they work within the media etc to brainwash the masses and spread the darkness of ignorance... Their motto is 'Order out of Chaos' hence they cause chaos then clamp down on society, adding extra security measures etc under the pretence of trying to protect us so they can have a tighter grip on the people and their lives... But we are already free as long as we have Truth, nothing can take that away from us- it's what they're most afraid of- Freemason's silly and heartless activities are just another reason in this age of Kalyug that we need to get out of the maya slavery as quickly as possible, this extra darkness is needed for an all out strike on Maya- it is Mahakalyug...

The reality is: These murderers, rapists etc. are simply reflections of Us at our best and worst. We are ALL capable of committing the Worst deeds just as we are all capable of comitting the best deeds... We are God, God is us, some of our karam has been written that we are not murderers, rapists, etc. but if God wants to change that hukam, he can in a minute, one bad thought-as a result of anger, lust, greed, envy, ego attachment embedded and acted upon is all it takes... We are capable of Nothing on our own- all of our devotion, bandgi, seva is done by Him and Him alone, so to judge another in our ego would be foolish seeing as it is god who willed them to act this way in the first place, it is all part of his khel, as bad as it may sound- it is the law of karma... Yes they are all fools, and they do not only deserve death row, they deserve to be decapitated and pressed in oil mills in hell which is what they'll get after death on earth if not worse... But this is what the darkness of ignorance does, it fools the maya dweller into believing actions like this will have no consequences, if these people truly believed there would be consequences(being torn into pieces in hell etc) they may not have committed these crimes- their foolery lies in them not killing their five thieves- in the court of the lord even bad thoughts are judged- it is the thoughts as well as the deeds of the people that keep kalyug in the state it is... Like I said before, Sajjan thug mudered many and became a great devotee of baba Nanaks.....The naam and bhagti is a gift from god that can liberate a sinner of even the worst crime, they will pay their karams, but naam washes away millions upon millions of sins- This game is all about discovering who we are and the karmas we reap are deserved, someone needs to dish out this karma and that job goes to those who's karma it is to sin and fall... Nivair means to love all equally, we cannot harbour hatred against these people as that would be against sikhi- To live in nirvair is to see god in all and to see all to have the potential to become Jivan Mukt one day, we are just mini God's trying to redicover who we are again- we are in fact nothing and until we physically realise that fact we are all great sinners in one way or another... Who knows if one of these great sinners who are deserved of death row may one day become a great bhagat with the world at his feet, that is part of the glory and miracle of god, all it takes is some words of truth and repentance- then the path of washing away the karams with bhagti and good deeds etc.. How the reciever takes the words of truth words and applies them is up to them.. Some fell in repentance at the Guru's feet, some did not, but what they had in common was that they were All sinners... Look how many crimes Aurangzeb committed but The guru sent him a letter which caused him to repent his actions. The Truth may irritate but it sticks for life..