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its a special seminar 7pm-9pm. if you are attending then you are welcome to bring a camcorder to record the programme

Gurfateh ji, sewadaars are needed for this sundays (19th) nagar keertan to mark 300 years. To mark the Tricentenary celebrations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurgaddi Niwas, a nagar keertan will be taking place on Sunday 19th October 2008. Schedule as follows: Guru Har Rai Gurdwara, High St, West Bromwich Arrive 8am Depart 9am Guru Nanak Gurdwara Edward St, West Brom Arrive 9.30am Depart 9.35am Amrit Parchar Gurdwara Birmingham Rd, Oldbury Arrive 10.35am Depart 11.05am Baba Sangh Gurdwara St Pauls Road, Smethwick Arrive 12.15pm Depart 12.20pm Guru Nanak Gurdwara High St, Smethwick Arrive 12.30pm Sewadaars are urgently needed for nishan sewa/road block enforcement. Please ring Bhai Ajit Singh 07976 590 074 or Bhai Major Singh 07905 577 372 for further info Sewadaars are unrgently needed for nishan sewa/road block enforcement. Please ring Bhai Ajit Singh 07976 590 074 or Bhai Major Singh 07905 577 372 for further info plz keep bumping this topic

(note: not a sikh topic) Grandmaster Lily Lau, (founder of Eagle Claw Kung Fu www.lilylaueagleclaw.com ) is visiting the Uk and is holding a special seminar on Sat 25th Oct which is open to the general public. Lily Lau will be teaching Yue Fei, a Chinese technique designed to make you feel good and confident whilst reducing reducing bodily stress. This is a rare opportunity to learn Yue Fei from a renowned Grandmaster. For further details contact Sifu Hari Singh on 07739 536739 (costs are £50 p/p, please book early as places are limited)

In 1881, British Newspapers compared many great generals of the past and came with the following conclusion: "Some people might think that Napoleon was a great General. Some might name Marshall Hendenburgh, Lord Kitchener, General Karobzey or Duke of Wellington etc. And some going further might say Halaku Khan, Genghis Khan, Changez Khan, Richard or Allaudin etc. But let me tell you that in the North of India a General of the name of Hari Singh Nalwa of the Sikhs prevailed. Had he lived longer and had the sources and artillery of the British, he would have conquered most of Asia and Europe…." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Singh_Nalwa wow

also can see your view about the initial darshan to a 'mona' but the book states that bhai sahib was doing bhagti at that time and also mentions that Guru sahib told him to take amrit.. good point though!

True say! But wasn't it Dasam Pita Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahaaraj who Himself came and blessed Bhai Rama Singh Ji with His darshan at a time when Bhai Sahib was still a mona-cleanshaven and in bed with a woman who was not his wife? Gurujee can shower His bakshish on ANYONE whenever He wills to. He is not bound by rules, we are. Not quite,the book states Bhai Rama Singh was sleeping in the same room as a jewish woman, not in the same bed Guru Sahib can give bakshish to anyone but lets not underestimate the importance of keeping kes as per gurmat, anyway back to the topic ppl

Everyones journey begins somewhere...........seva is not somthing that is reserved just for someone who keeps kes.........again pahji like you sed it is blessed from Maharaj, and if there are Moneh sewadars can that not be some amazing kirpa from Maharaj to bring non- sehaj/amrit dharis onto the sikhi path?...........untimatly......sewa requires pyaar and dedication, and again sorry to sound blunt and this is just my opinion but your physical roop does not intesify this pyaar..........because pyaar comes from within.........without that, outer body is nothing more than a shell.........we seem to be loosing site of this............. did every sikh that came to Guru Ji in puratan samma come with kes/dastar?............no did Guru Ji turn them away?................no.......................... did guru always show love to them regardless..............yes........... could this be the reason that so many people after having darshaan of Guru Ji and became embrace in His pyaar, walked the sikh path there after....................? maybe............i do know but i know that i how would like to have been treated I agree but dont you think its more inportant to get the basics of sacrifice right? which begins with your mind, body and soul? everyones journey to waheguru is different...............some will keep kes all their life and have no understanding that it is a gift from God.................some people will be crack smoking gagster wannabes but waheguru does kirpa on both..........i guess what im trying to say is............if the inside is pure....if the soul is touch by waheguru and develops pyaar for waheguru........sewa will always be blessed upon REGARDLESS of whether there is a dastaar on the head of that person or a hanky............... everyone has to start somewhere and who are we to put rules and restrictions around wahegurus work? but where errors are being made its up to us as brothers and sisters to aid and assist each other with PYAAR and SHARDA...........the basics of any sewa which i fear are being lost amongst labels such as amritdhari/sehajdaris/moneh etc............... eyku ipqw eyks ky hm bwirk qU myrw gur hweI ] eaek pithaa eaekas kae ham baarik thoo maeraa gur haaee || The One God is our father; we are the children of the One God. You are our Guru. "bina shaster kaysang narang bhaydd jaano gahai kaan thaa(n) ko kithai lai ehe mor ageya suno tum peyare bina kes tegan devon na deedarey" Dasam Pita Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Mahaaraj

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ibaI0VmHV3E

intolerance in the garb of secularism also baba jagjit singh harkowale once said our panth would never face issues such as this if we were all rehitwaaley amritdharis

yeah eagle claw kung fu http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EqrtiVGnUyk http://www.lilylaueagleclaw.com/ Sifu Hari Singh teaches this style in the west mids pm us for further info

it probably does limit itself to the sareer that its in, i mean you wouldn't see a donkey playing football

Excellent divaan today, baba ji was talking about puraatan/recent sikh shaheeds, why people shouldn't cut their kes, sant jarnail singh ji, 84 etc..... the hard hitting stuff,, what people in gurdwaras tend not to talk about

What is Khalsa raj? :umm: i don't get it...what makes the Sikh any different from others, If muslims believe everyone in the world will be a muslim...and if christians belive the same thing... then where does that leave the sikhs:S...are we all gonna become either muslims or christians...what makes this khalsa raj any more unique then the purpose 'muslim raj' and the christian raj? that they all claim? because in the end of the day..only one raj will suffice no? "Sikhism is a Universal world Faith, a message for all men. This is amply illustrated in the writings of the Gurus. Sikhs must cease to think of their faith as just another good religion and must begin to think in terms of Sikhism being the religion for this New Age … It completely supplants and fulfils all the former dispensations of older religions. Books must be written proving this. The other religions contain the truth, but Sikhism contains the fullness of truth." Reverand HL Bradshaw

'Over 500' Indian troops have HIV By Subir Bhaumik BBC News, Calcutta The Assam Rifles are mostly recruited from the north-east (Photos: Rituraj Borthakur) More than 500 soldiers belonging to an elite paramilitary force in India are infected with HIV, the chief of the force has said. Seventy troops of the 173-year-old Assam Rifles have died of the infection in the past 10 years, according to Lieutenant General Karan Singh Yadava. Many of the Assam Rifles troops are posted in north-eastern India and are engaged in fighting local insurgencies. India has one of the highest numbers of people with HIV in the world. Lt Gen Yadava said the force is organising sex education lessons for troops. "We have asked our men to curb the menace (of HIV infections) with full strength," he said. The Assam Rifles are recruited and deployed in the north-east of India - where they help maintain security or quell insurgencies in states such Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland. They are posted in areas close to the Burmese border which have some of the highest rates of HIV infection in India. Abuses Analysts say the easy availability of narcotics from Burma - and the local tendency to inject them through the multiple use of syringes - is the main cause for such high prevalence of Aids. We are giving a lot of importance to creating awareness of safe sex among the troops Lt Gen Karan Singh Yadava But they say members of the Assam Rifles mainly get infected through unprotected sex rather than through drugs use. Assam Rifles troops have, in recent years, been accused of forcing local women into having sex with them. In 1987, the force launched Operation Bluebird in the Oinam area of Manipur after Naga separatists looted more than 100 weapons from their camp. Human rights groups in the north-east allege that at that time, a large number of rapes were reported and some pregnant women were even forced to give birth in the open. In 1989, an Assam Rifles patrol was found guilty of gang-raping a number of tribal women in a remote hamlet in the state of Tripura. In 2004, they were accused of raping and killing a girl in Manipur. The US-based Human Rights Watch said in a recent report that some of the guilty troops were being shielded, though the case is still going on. The Assam Rifles was raised 173 years ago as a specialist force by the British during their campaigns against fiercely-independent tribal chiefs in the north-east. Post-colonial India expanded the force to its current strength of 46 battalions - with about 1,000 men in each battalion - as rebel groups proliferated across the troubled north-east. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7624839.stm

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mr dhadhi!!!

Gurfateh ji If you are a sikh soc/student rep and HAVEN'T received any correspondence from BOSS regarding freshers then please contact us via pm as a matter of urgency..! Thanks Guru Rakha

You say that Mool Mantar upto Gurprasad is according to Gurmat One small point in the ongoing debate. Giani Thakur Singh in Rehit Maryada Katha states that mool mantar is written upto 'Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach' on Shaheed Baba Deep Singh ji's personal chakar, stored at Akaal Takht Sahib. Now if we go by your views then either Gyani ji is lying on tape, at the risk of his credibility or Baba Deep Singh Ji Bhramgyani Mahapurakh (who was very close to Guru Gobind Singh ji) must have misunderstood the Mool Mantar. Highly unlikely for both. Personally speaking, people can believe what they want to, but shouldn't use "its according to Gurmat" line without backing up their claims. Re the original question, Mool Mantar and Gurmantar is given by Panj Piyaare during amrit sanchaar and it is up to the praani (according to the guidance of the Panj) whether they want to emphasise on reciting one mantar or both. Bhul Chuk Maaf

past incidents http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=31323 Amritsar, October 5 In a bizarre incident, agitated activists of the Guru Granth Sahib Satkar Committee picked up two brothers from the shop of famous publishers Jeewan Singh Chattar Singh and Sons, near Golden Temple, and blackened their faces in full public view. They later dragged them to a room of the Akal Takht secretariat here this evening. However, Baljit Singh and Prabhjit Singh were freed from the illegal detention in the Akal Takht room on the intervention of Giani Gurbachan Singh, head granthi of the Golden Temple, and senior police officers. The Jathedar of Akal Takht was reportedly on duty when the incident occurred. The brothers are accused of selling 50 “birs” of Guru Granth Sahib to a Delhi-based Sikh couple. The activists of the committee followed the vehicle of the couple Surinder Singh and his wife up to Beas. They intercepted them and compelled them to return to Amritsar. The agitating Sikh activists alleged that the birs were stacked in the Delhi couple’s vehicle and they were wearing shoes. It is alleged that the couple wanted to sell the birs at a high price. It is alleged that both brothers were first beaten up in full public view and then in the room of Akal Takht. The heavy police force that reached the incident site could not intervene because of the surcharged religious sentiments. A senior SGPC member and convener of the Akal Purkh Ki Fauj, Jaswinder Singh Advocate, justified the action of the committee. He said they won’t allow the police to take action against the Sikh activists. He said the matter had been brought to the notice of SGPC chief Jathedar Avtar Singh. The “direct action” was taken by the committee under the leadership of Amrik Singh of the Damdami Taksal. SSP KVP Singh, who himself went to the SGPC office to defuse the situation, told The Tribune that the “matter would be resolved”. He said nobody had been arrested so far. He said the publishers had hurt the sentiments of the Sikhs by selling the birs against ‘maryada’, but the committee should not have taken law into its hand. Both brothers were taken to police station. “They have not been arrested”, he clarified. Harbhajan Singh, father of both victims, alleged that the police stood a mute spectator when his sons were in illegal custody. “This is no Sikhism”, he said. It may be mentioned here that on May 3, 2001, the five Sikh high priests had summoned Bhai Jeewan Singh and Chattar Singh and sons at Akal Takht on May 14 for publishing the holy Guru Granth Sahib in violation of the hukamnama (edict). The hukamnama issued by the then Jathedar Akal Takht, Bhai Ranjit Singh, on May 9, 1998, had directed that the SGPC had the sole right to print the ‘birs’ of holy Guru Granth Sahib as per the Sikh maryada in order to prevent “blasphemous” acts of private publishers. However, despite repeated warnings, Bhai Jeewan Singh and Chattar Singh continued to violate the directives of Akal Takht and for this they were also declared ‘tankhayia’. The publishers had evaded their appearance at Akal Takht on one pretext or the other. Again, on April 22 last year, the SGPC had directed the oldest publishers of Amritsar, Jeewan Singh Chattar Singh and Sons, and other publishers to stop the publication of Guru Granth Sahib as per the directives of Akal Takht eight years ago. The SGPC had warned that a CD, which was in its possession, showed a publisher selling Guru Granth Sahib to a Muslim seer even though Akal Takht had banned performing “path” of Guru Granth Sahib at “samadhis”. The “malpractice” of the publisher was also highlighted through a sting operation. The publisher was shown accusing the SGPC of having failed to supply good quality “birs” as per the demand of the Sikh “sangat”.

kewl thats fine, keep it up! Guru Rakha

after a while no one posts on the topics and they disappear into the archives was suggesting that maybe they should become a sticky like the japji sahib thread http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=15451

if the problem is with bling necklaces then maybe we should all launch a morcha against high st jewellers, shops etc who do the same the panth has bigger issues to deal with

wicked veechar, but unfortunately png your topics on Bhagat Kabir disappear after a few days. would it be possible for the mods of this forum to collate all the relevant topics onto a single thread??

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