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slightly related, saw something on news recently https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/19/opinion/mfa-is-showing-looted-african-art-heres-how-deal-with-it/ The MFA is showing looted African art. Here’s how to deal with it. The ownership of the Bronzes stolen from the Benin Kingdom in the 19th century must be transferred to Nigeria. By The Editorial BoardUpdated December 19, 2021, 4:00 a.m. 27 Commemorative head of a defeated neighboring leader, Benin kingdom, Nigeria, late 15th-early 16th century, from the Robert Owen Lehman Collection at the MFA, is one of the Benin Bronzes now in dispute.PHOTOUSER It was theft. There is no question about that. In 1897, British forces launched a “punitive expedition” against the Benin kingdom in what is now southern Nigeria. Bent on avenging the ambush and killing of a trade delegation from England’s Niger Coast Protectorate, the soldiers seized Benin City and plundered the royal palace — stealing the cultural patrimony of a centuries-old civilization. Thousands of plaques and sculptures that would come to be known as the Benin Bronzes were auctioned off in London and scattered among private collections and museums all over the world. Nigerians have long cried foul. But it’s only now that Western institutions are really reckoning with their duty to return the looted masterworks.

I think they are 'soft' because they are not very physically active. The young ones are generally slim. The older ones are generally overweight. Not sure it is a fully genetic thing but if you are a businessman or shopkeeper you're unlikely to have a naturally 'strong' physique/build. I think we need to encourage them all to do some martial arts training

My family is of the rural community. The ones who live/have lived in the city are still much more similar to their rural-dwelling cousins. They have a lot less in common with shehar-wale and consider themselves different. I think it takes several generations of integration for that to change. You will find 'bhappe' are different to jatts and other 'pindus' even in the West .

I think many Africans in the UK don't teach their kids languages like Yoruba or Igbo Really ? 'Han' I can understand, 'ji' is more a Hindi/Urdu thing , no ?

Money talks ? https://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/31870/12508781/novak-djokovic-has-covid-19-vaccination-exemption-to-play-at-australian-open Novak Djokovic has Covid-19 vaccination 'exemption' to play at Australian Open "I've spent fantastic quality time with my loved ones over the break and today I'm heading Down Under with an exemption permission," the nine-time Australian Open champion said in Instagram post on Tuesday; Australian Open say his medical exemption passed a 'rigorous, multi-step' review. Last Updated: 04/01/22 6:44pm Djokovic will play at the Australian Open Novak Djokovic says he has an "exemption permission" to play at the Australian Open without a Covid-19 vaccination. Djokovic had never revealed whether he is vaccinated against Covid-19, but has criticised mandates ruling that players must be double-jabbed. "I've spent fantastic quality time with my loved ones over the break and today I'm heading Down Under with an exemption permission," he said on social media on Tuesday. Rules in Victoria, where the Australian Open will begin on January 17, stated that players must be double-vaccinated against Covid-19. Djokovic had previously been named in Serbia's team for the ATP Cup in Sydney, but then withdrew from the tournament which is a traditional warm-up for the Australian Open, leading to a mystery about his participation in the Grand Slam.

Not if the religious identity is strong and the language is linked. E.g. Jews and Hebrew

How old are you approximately ? Where in Aus are you ? I am sure that with more multiculturalism, racism is less than it was. But I know Brit Asians who have gone over and they have warned me to be wary of every going there to settle as racism is more than the UK. I heard the culture still has lots of casual racism and sexism. I think you underestimate the closeness that Australians feel to Britain, many are only first or second gen Angle immigrants. And with the political, societal and educational structure similar and related to the UK (lots of private and boarding schools for example), the sort of cover ups we have had here wrt grooming and sexual deviancy, I would not be surprised if there are stories about this in increasing number in Aus in the near future. I think because a lot of the immigrants are/were young students from Panjab, they were/are quite heavy into Punjabi culture. But I think, just as in the UK, those who are married/have families more easily are going towards Sikhi these days ?

@proactive I watched the original video in the first post This is nothing new, but these 'bhappe' come across as very 'soft' . I would be concerned for their safety. They seem very 'un-streetwise'. They could be easily duped into being scammed, framed or kidnapped if they do not keep their wits about them. The women seem too 'innocent' . The men don't look like they can put up much of a fight. This is a serious issue, and I think all yatrees should be given some safety awareness and tips in advance of attending /travelling. But I am not naive these days to realise, that there are vested interests where money is to be made on both sides.

Sometimes, being brutally honest and blunt (like you and DalSingh have been) is the best way to go about things Maybe some diplomatic/receptive jatts and 'bhape' and other rural and urban groups should form some type of 'inter-societal' Sikh forum to discuss each others' differences and learn and improve ?

Nanka and Dadka pinds both within Ludhiana zila. Most of my close and extended blood relatives are also. Have some family from near Fatehgarh Sahib also

Nice, there's several on here who are Malwai, including me.

Yes, I think that's true. Also makes sense if Ludhiana is close to Doaba and is the major city of Panjab it would have mixed dialects. Many shehar wale came from Pakistan And the further away from the city, the more dialect will be different Your parents from Ludhiana ?

Mocking Afghan Sikhs who had to leave, also

To give an idea

we need some of the forum 'heavyweights' to comment

Australia is sort of a 'UK-lite' with better weather and more racism...most of the 'Anglos' there have a strong 'love-hate' relationship with the UK (I reckon mostly love if they had to choose) " it difficult for UK Sikhs to live in a country which took away Khalsa Raj and is involved in anti-Sikh activities." I don't think most Panjabis or Sikhs really have that in mind on a daily basis. I sort of have now, after spending a lot of time here, but I think if you ask the average person on the street, they would have to think hard for those thoughts to come up. Some probably don't even know that much about the 'Sikh Empire' - I am not even sure I would call it 'Khalsa Raaj' but then some on here would maybe disagree. And others would not know how it was brought down by the British

@GurjantGnostic @californiasardar1 @S1ngh @Jacfsing2 and any other Americans on here. What do you think the future map of USA would look like , if say in whatever time in the distant future, it became divided? Could it divide along lines of Latinos in the southwest being separated from the other parts ? Could California or Texas really become their own country ?

Thanks for the post. I really know little about the Japanese and only a superficial knowledge of Buddhism. I guess that for example, North Indians seem quite bold/aggressive compared to South Indians, which is supposedly related to being proximal to borders and invaders which has hardened those people. If India had never faced any invaders, then the people would likely be a lot more relaxed ? I think though that the way people develop is more 'nurture' than 'nature'. If it's 'in your blood' then you are susceptible to change (e.g. monay Sikhs who become Singhs and Kaurs) Are the Japanese all Buddhists? Has that shaped its identity and culture more than other things (like I said, I don't know much about Japan - the first thing I think of is martial arts, followed by business and technology) @GurjantGnostic seems to know, and might be able to expand that discussion with you And, @MisterrSingh please recommend a book that covers the History of India. I'm looking for something that is to the point , maybe just a chapter to cover say, a century - *actually, this one looks good https://www.amazon.co.uk/India-History-John-Keay/dp/0007307756

What ?!?

They more easily go between Hijab and no Hijab. I knew a girl at Uni who was Hijabi, then not , then Hijabi again

I would guess they call it 'donkey' because it's slow and bumpy/dangerous way to travel This is how many come illegally from Asia to Europe and other continents. The last sentence is funny because it cannot be true ! https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2019/10/19/usa-donkey-secret-code-indian-deportees-from-mexico-used-for-their-operation-439086/ ‘USA Donkey’: The secret code Indian deportees from Mexico used for their operation By Zofeen Maqsood October 19, 2019 12:52 pm From walking past decaying dead bodies to surviving on leaves and bacteria-laden water in the dense jungles of Panama City, the illegal journey to America is full of perils and life threatening dangers. Whether or not you are tech savvy, you may have relied on YouTube for tutorials on everything from “how to fix a broken pipe” to “how to bake a cake.” A casual YouTube search with the term “USA Donkey” would show you numerous tips and tutorials on how Indians can illegally enter the United States via Mexico. The search would also expose you to the broad network of human traffickers and how they operate from within India to attract gullible youth toward the mirage of the American dream. The videos give details on how often these young men from Punjab, in northwestern India, undertake the dangerous journey. But for those who may be wondering how unsuspecting youth are led to believe that they would be able to defy all systems and laws to find their way into America, one needs to also understand the modus operandi of the human traffickers who channelize these men and women into committing the unthinkable. RELATED: Mexico deports 311 Indians, who were trying to enter US illegally (October 19, 2019) The human traffickers often operate with the secret code of donkey flights, not just to the US, but also to several European countries. “Donkey” is a loose term used to describe the way by which Indian migrants can enter another country illegally. Dotted across Punjab are an unbelievable number of sham visa agents and offices. Many of these dubious agencies work by getting the desperate Indians into America by breaking laws. Some of the videos outline how these men first connect with a visa agency that operates in the grey areas. These men and women are charged anywhere from $20,000 to $75,000. The agents fly them often to Colombia, where they meet other illegal migrants and a group is formed. The group then travels through the jungles of Panama City and cross five or six jungles over the course of a few days. The Panama jungles are dangerous, and one may encounter dead bodies lying on the ground. The videos detail that the jungles are full of wild animals, and often illegal migrants are left with no food or water to survive. If you are lucky to make your way through the jungles of Panama, the groups then move to Costa Rica, where, once more, they have to find their way through the dense forests before they can reach Mexico, from where they have to jump over the Mexico border to reach the United States. There are other videos such as one titled “Punjabi Family See How to Cross Border (Mexico to USA).” The footage shows families, often with women carrying toddlers in arms, slithering from a narrow opening of a huge iron door, as Mexican agents bid them good-bye. The families, with many children in tow, then cross barbed wires, as they then make their way through the deserts of America. There are other videos showing large groups of young men sitting in a dense forest, as they fearlessly film their journey. The men are seen laughing and joking in Punjabi, surprisingly undaunted by the dangerous journey they are undertaking. There are numerous videos documenting the entire journey and other alternate routes such as entering via Panama or Guatemala. Ironically, some of the videos have disclaimers that the journey could land one in trouble even while giving all the tips on how to find the Donkey Way. There are also videos in Punjabi giving details on what to expect if you are thinking of reaching America the Donkey Way. These spine-chilling videos came to spotlight after an unprecedented number of Indians trying to cross illegally to the United States were deported by Mexico. For years, the upwardly mobile, highly skilled “model-minority” in America has shrugged off the problem of undocumented Indians in America. Immigration activists have been maintaining that, almost as an underbelly to the high-skilled immigration, there exists a large number of Indians who have been defying the legal routes, or are victims of the unfair asylum system in America. “USA Donkey,” the treacherous way to reach America, shows that India may want to take serious measures to stop illegal emigration.

I think the Jews put heavy emphasis on learning Hebrew formally, in classes outside school or their kids attend school where they learn Hebrew. I'm sure it's not all Jews, but many of them born outside Israel seem to have good knowledge. They also have 'friendly' environments in the UK and US. If the parents who are second, third, fourth generation immigrants do not speak much Panjabi at home, then the answer is to either ensure regular Panjabi classes outside school, or for school to teach Panjabi as second language with heavy emphasis, from at least age 7-8. They could do drama classes in schools. They could do role plays of historical Sikhs maybe (not Gurus). Visiting Panjab at least once a year for minimum one month engaging in activities speaking only Panjabi would also help. There are several Panjabi 'singers' born and bred in the UK who speak very good Panjabi, unfortunately their musical talents are utilised in a non-dharmic way Going one step further, Sikhs would benefit from knowledge of Hindi or Sanskrit and Farsi. @shastarSingh you are born and bred in Panjab. My observation is that Indian Panjabis speak Panjabi with quite limited vocab compared with Pakistanis. Also, too much trying to include English words in every sentence. 'Theth' Panjabi is not considered as 'good'.