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Good Speech.

Ironically the acceptance of the Nanakshahi calendar could have been a step towards a seperate identity. At least then sikhs could have said , "we sikhs also have our own seperate calendar". or "sikhs dont rely on Pundits to set their calendar dates" . coulda used it as another arguing point against the constitution stoopid article 25.

police investigated and could not find anything, and declared the investigation officially closed. well **** that. It aint closed. Sikhs need to set up their own independant public inquiry into this. There needs to be a meeting. A respectable sikh needs to be selected to write up all the findings. Then sikhs need to look at all the findings and determine some conclusions as to who did this. Theres a "Iraq war" inquiry set up by public with an appointed civil servant to publish his findings. So why cant sikhs set up their own inquiry into the "BOW ATTACK". But we need a Sikh body to officially back the inquiry. If sikhs are in support of this then lets call a meeting to discuss this. We can also request the police to release all their findings relating to the attack for an independant sikh public inquiry. its fast approaching the year anniversary and the culprits still roam free. I remember when it happened in march, we were all told to shuttup and let the police do their jobs and wait for their findings. Well we're at that point now. we're none the wiser. Time for sikhs to get to the bottom of it ourselves?

Magnetic pole 60 degrees Komm jaana.

Yes they can be detected. Astronomers/scientists often observe solar flares. They emit EM radtiation, x-rays and radio waves. The earths atmosphere and magnetic field protects us from the danger of radiation. The most imminent threat is to satelites which are orbiting around the earth and are not protected by the earths atmosphere which acts as a shield. Actually even in electronics they apply something called shielding. Take a look at your computer cables next time. Notice the bulky round thing on the wires just before the connector. This is the principle of shielding. It protects the system from a surge of energy. Just like the atmosphere protects us from EM Radiation....up to a certain degree anyway. Astronaughts who do walks in space need info on sun activity, cuz otherwise they'd get hit witha letha dose of radiation.

Some rather intense solar storms are predicted for 2012. They happen in 12 year cycles. You get a period of intense solar storms on the Sun's surface, followed by a period of less intense. In 2012 they are predicted to me more intense. They are Electro-magnetic storms. Depending on the severity, they can have a significant impact on Earth. Namely electronic based systems (practically everything). There were some strong electromagnetic storms recorded some years ago which caused problems with communications. In theory, a strong enough electromagnetic burst can knock out all electronics on Earth. All computers/satelites/tv's/radios/mobiles/cctv ect could be rendered inoperable, literally fried. If the world leaders were so concerned about curbing CO2 emissions then it would be logical to adress the biggest culprits wouldnt it? AVIATION INDUSTRY and the SHIPPIN INDUSTRY are exempt from the KYOTO PROTOCOL. (They dont like to tell you that). Yet Planes and Ships are the 2 biggest industries that pump Gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. They dont mention them because they not as serious as they make out to be about Global Warming, which makes me question the seriousness altogether. There were 12 oil tanker ships anchored out at sea just outside UK waters recently. They were waiting for Oil prices to climb before they entered our waters and docked to sell their Oil. The CO2 emissions of these 12 engines combined (anually) are more than the combined CO2 output of all the cars in the uk.

So your saying the allegations dropped?

I agree with what u say. But I dont see how calling southall sikhs druggies, will help anyone here achieve their objectives. Thats more likely to create hatred. Whilst this meeting on Saturday was said to help with unity. I dont see the logic in that. Like i said before in my very 1st post. If people want unity then let them take steps towards it. If not then they should drop this false notion of brotherhood. Gurfateh

yes, the usa faction usually the one that makes alot of statements against individuals they dont get on with. Usually accuse them of being rss.

yeh well theres another 1 then. Dilgeer not right in the head from what ive heard him say.

DAL KHALSA is a big topic to talk about. Theres Dal khalsa. (India one, gajinder singh founder who hijakd plane in protest when bhindranwale was arrested ) Theres Dal khalsa Uk. Reinstated recently Then theres the rouge Dal khalsa uk of traitor jaswant singh tekedar who fled to uk. Miri piri gurdwara southall. Then theres dal khalsa usa who do their own thing also. 3 of these 4 organisations dont even get on with each other. I think thats it.

I represent what is on my name, If you have any doubt. However, I have not seen any evidence of the slandering you say is taking place by Dal khalsa uk. Simply because no1 has shown me anything. If you wish to prove my view wrong, then show me otherwise so I may look at your evidence. About 5 posts have mentioned dal khalsa uk. Its had nothing to do with the topic, and Ive entered the discussion at that point. As soon as "Sikh federation" is mentioned, the clamp is put on it and asked to stick to topic. Im not a representative of Dal Khalsa so I cannot answer your questions. But I am asking you to present the sangat with some more credible evidence to back your claims. I saw the video. But im reffering to the uk based organisation. Thankyou.

Right... so can we stop talking about jathebandia then also. Saturday meeting on Ludhiana atrocities . Day of the Bhog. All jathebandia will be in attendance. Havelock gurdwara, Southall. 11am - 4pm

I feel people are just trying to create divisions. I am not convinced by some people. Perhaps this has more to do with the bhindranwalle issue rather than dasam bani. Shaheed or not issue. Because from what i know, Dal khalsa do openly say Shaheed Bhindranwale. That doesnt fly too well with some people. If someone has a problem, they usually do something about it. Like for example talk to the people they got a problem with. But noo..thats just too much common sense isnt it? Why dont one of you who feel so passionately about this actually approach these people and say what you want to? But its the same old story. just sketchy forum posting and it ends with that. whats all this bangles business? 4 years or so ago at the 84 rally hyde park. Sikh Federation felt brave and decided to push around an old man for his views on Bhindranwalle (shaheed view of his). Now things have changed. I dont think they dare push that old man around now. I think people will find alot has changed from 4 years ago. Thats why I have suspicions over the real reason of this bitter dispute. I suggest you all attend the emergency meeting on Saturday and air your grievences. It is a FSO event afterall.

Im trying to understand what you mean but I cannot. Try to Remember... The founder of that very dal khalsa organisation took the plane in protest of Sant Bhindranwalle's arrest. Bhindranwale himself mentioned it in his speeches clearly. The enemy is Ashutosh and shiv sena. Also Badals policy of protecting these people. This whole thing was an elaborate set up to make sikhs fight each other. The planned bandh on Monday is no coincidence. Its all linked to whats been taking place in Ludhiana. We must see this.

Alot of sikhs in punjab display photos of Bhindranwalle now. Even on car windows i seen them. Shiv sena will fail. who are they to touch Bhindranwale images with their dirty hands. How dare they even glance at it with bad intentions. Shiv sena been making threats to sikhs for far too long now. Sikhs will have it out with them on Monday.

I can't really speak for anyone but Singhs of Akali Dal Amritsar were present and some were injured, like Bhai Anoop Singh Sandhu. No comment on who was there and who was not, against rules, everyone knows by now anyway who was there and who was not. HAS ANYONE GOT NEWS FROM DASAM GRANTH AND GURU GOBIND SINGH JI NINDAKS LIKE DAL KHALSA UK OF MANMOHAN IN SOUTHALL? They seem to be quiet in this issue - they only normally make statements anyway (i think they made one already but not highlighted like they did for their last one, which i think was the babboo maan one). o well. maybe gurcharan sarpanch and others can give update? haven't heard much from them in this thread? DO your research. I remember before this situation even started, Dal Khalsa Uk made a press release warning of a real danger regarding the Ashutosh Visit and how sikhs should unite to stop it from taking place by putting up a resistance. Take a minute of your precious time to read this http://dalkhalsa.blogspot.com/2009/12/dal-khalsa-calls-for-sikhs-to-unite.html This statement was released on Thursday 3rd December. Thats 2 days before the visit even took place that sikhs were being asked to prepare and unite. To my knowledge they were the 1st to highlight and pre-warn us of the possible forthcoming struggle. I seen few people posting "United we stand, Divided we FALL" The emergency meeting called in Southall is by FSO im told. Dal Khalsa Uk are a member of that organistaion also along with other leaading sikh organistions last time i checked. Please attend if it does not shatter people's ego to do so. We need to start asking ourselves if we are breaking sikhs off, or bringing them together in unity as many have asked. right now i cant make out whats goin on. Shaheed bhai darshan singh was killed by the bullet of a DSP. Dont let his shaheedi be for nothing. Now is our time to oppose these evil forces. we can do this if we UNITE, EXPOSE, and OPPOSE this regime of hindutva sponsored terror. Our leaders are not gonna do nothing. Its up to the common man like us. Just like shaheed dharshan singh the Rikshaw driver who took the bullet protesting. United we Stand, Divided we FALL Parnaam SHaheeda Nu.

I've been following it closely also. And i came across this new video reply of a poem by bhai gurpreet singh. The poem was also published in the Punjab Times. Its called "bebe ji ma sant bana gaa". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgwXr5hv1Ko

yeh since we on the topic of bbc... we need to do something about that Bobby whats his name, and that Sonia deol. Im not happy with the way they compare sikhs with Islamic extremism and terrorism. The term asian is too broad. If its muslims carrying out attacks and killing innocent people then they should say so without comparing them to the sikh khalistan movement and not try to mix it up in their "asian" cauldron. Im gonna write a letter also. Every1 shud write 1. fill their inbox up, make it crash. Lets see if it forces a change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhm6N66PXc Look. Tarsem Singh MORANWALI jumped on the bandwaggon aswell now. He disses Babbu Maan in this video speech. They've made it into Babeh vs babbu maan now. And the amazing thing is that no names were mentioned in the song. It could just as easily be against Ram rahim or Namdhari jagjit or radhaswami guru. But despite the fact that no names were mentioned, Popular sikh figures have gone ahead and decided to mock babbu maan and his song regardless. Its escallated out of control. Maybe he shud of mentioned names like ram rahim, then maybe our own people would chill out. How useless. Sikhs manage to get a popular song/album banned in punjab, yet dont seem to care about the countless bollywood films mocking the very sikh image. how bout putting collective sikh efforts together to try and get those banned? That would be time much better spent. just goes to show. Nowadays no1 cares about real sikh issues which we can come together to sort out. But as soon as something is said about a baba, all hell breaks loose and political links are used to get the album banned. Yet no names were mentioned. These political links can be used for more panthic affairs. (but rarely are) Unnecessary publicity

He did not mention Baba dhadrianwalle. I seen alot of replies against babbu maan, but the theme of the song has not been mentioned at all. The corruption of some modern day babbeh needs to be adressed, since its not being adressed anywhere else. Its a good song and it does not mention any specific babeh. But one feels he was hinting towards ram rahim

It mentions how sikhs tried to march on amritsar from outside when the temple was under attack. And the Indian security forces Gunned them down.

Can this video of a group of afghans who came to southall nagar kirtan, be interpreted as them mocking sikhs? you be the judge. This same group was said to be hanging in the park with so called sikh girls who invited them during nagar kirtan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYgq7G7ljQ

The killing of any human should not be encouraged not praised. However, the killing of a mass murderer such as the ones mentioned, should be praised.