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This kind of thing goes back to the early 1980s when cow's heads were thrown into Hindu temples and cigarettes into Gurdwara srovars. This is a attempt by agencies either linked to the Indian govt or to opposition political parties like Congress to polarise the Hindus and Sikhs, especially as the farmer andolan showed how much unity there was in Punjab itself and between Punjab and Haryana. There could also be an attempt within the govt and BJP to bring down Modi and fast track Yogi Adityanath as a replacement for Modi. What irks the RW Hindus is that Modi relented and revoked the farm laws and their carefully carved narrative to demonise the Sikhs has failed and if anything Sikhs have managed to gain a higher profile in both India and abroad. These beadbi incidents are an easy way to send jobless and probably mentally ill and brainwash them into doing beadbi and then use the inevitable Sikh reaction to demonise the Sikhs as extremists and thus hurt Modi more as a weak leader who surrendered to extremists and Khalistanis. This could pave the way for a more extreme leader like Yogi Adityanath to take over. If it was Modi govt then it is a good way to get the Hindu vote by showing how the Congress govt is allowing the 'murder' of Hindu mentally ill by Sikh 'extremists'. This could also work for the Congress as well because they are probably the most surprised of all that Modi revoked the farm laws because having farmers still on the Delhi borders worked to buttress their support base both in Punjab and Haryana as well as in UP against Yogi. In Punjab these incidents work to polarise the Sikhs and Hindus just as the Maur Mandi bomb blast did for the 2017 elections. So it is possible that either these events have a RW Hindu, Modi or anti-Modi BJP or even Congress hand. The truth will possibly never be known because apart from accusations thrown between political parties, the truth in India is difficult to find.

No she is a well known journalists for RSS and RW newspapers and magazines. The butt hurt of these RW Hindus is there for all to see. These people have never condemned the murder of Muslims and Dalits just on the mere suspicion of them eating beef but when it comes to beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib then they are suddenly supporters of the police and due process. Hypocrisy runs deep in the veins of the RW Hindu.

This kutti is the worse of the lot. You can just imagine the poison she is filled with.

I think the fact that Sikhs are a majority in the rural areas and a minority in urban areas has a lot to do with this difference in outlook. The only two cities in India where I have seen the same outlook in urban Sikhs as rural Sikhs is in Jammu and Nanded. They will always come out in the streets for the Panth and are never found wanting when it comes to Panthic pride.

A lot of the usual liberals are saying he might have been mentally ill and he should have been handed over to the police. But look at how many people have got away with Beadbi since the Bargari incident. No doubt the RW Hindus will try to demonise us but what happened to this guy will prevent others from trying the same.

From another angle. He clearly took the Kirpan and would have attacked the Guru Granth Sahib or pilgrims. The quick reaction of the Gyani as he jumped over probably saved a lot of Sangat from being injured or worse.

Now you know what everyone feels like when you bring your Jat bashing into each thread.

Russell Brand's youtube channel about the repeal of the farm laws.

It's an aspect of human psychology. A rational person would accept that the Indian govt and Indira Gandhi planned a massacre both in June 1984 and through her son in November 1984. A non-rational person cannot accept that their govt and their leader did wrong so they have to justify it by claiming that it was in fact their side that were the victims. In order to justify June 1984, they have to make wild claims of thousands of Hindus being massacred prior to the govt organised massacre and for Nov 1984 they use the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Do not be misled by the fact that this women is a doctor because like the west nowadays being a professional does not necessary guarantee that the person is not brainwashed by their political beliefs.

Very interesting discussion and Ravi Ranjan Singh speaks a lot of sense and tells about the corruption of the committee which invited Muslims to perform Namaz in their Gurdwara. Disregard the BS about the Sanatan dharam from the woman

No fool like an old fool.

Very true. It is a tragedy that he passed away so young. If you watch any of his videos especially ones where he is answering specific questions on current issues he is always using Gurbani to back up his argument. Unlike the mu.ppets like Ravi Singh who twist Gurbani to suit their agenda, Bhai Jagraj Singh never twisted Gurbani even if the answer he was going to give would hurt the feelings of the person asking the question. Case in point, in the video below Bhai Jagraj Singh is countered the falsehood that liberals like to propagate that the Gurus just wanted people to follow their own religion and not to convert to Sikhi. He shows that the Gurus asked Muslims to be true Muslims and then redefined Muslim as a person who was a Gurmukh and not a follower of Mohammed. This view no doubt angered many liberals but they could not do anything because he was using Gurbani to back up his views. After Jagraj Singh, mu.ppets like Ravi Singh have bought their own liberal gandh into Sikh public life. I have never heard Ravi Singh once use Gurbani to back up his liberal ideas apart from misusing the Manas Ki Jaat Sabhe Ek Pechanbo verse.

The only time Chandigarh area was majority Sikh was when it just the villages on which the city was eventually built. There are slums in Chandigarh populated with migrants which are periodically emptied and flats built by the Central Govt are allocated to these slum dwellers. This has increased the Hindu population over time. In the 1970s I think the Sikh population was over 25% which has been coming down and now about 13%. The resettlement of migrants in Chandigarh has turned a city that was essentially built on Punjab speaking villages into a Hindi majority city. Between 1991-2011 Hindi speakers grew from 392K to 776K while Punjabi speakers have only gone up from 222K to 232K! The lack of promotion of Punjabi can been seen from the 2nd language that migrants to the city speak apart from their own mother tongue on this table. Even South Indians who are notorious for their opposition to Hindi are more likely to know Hindi as a second language than Punjabi! This is not just migrants, these are also people who have been settled in the city for many decades.

This guy is absolute evil and there is no difference between him and the SS in WW2. But to make his misdeeds representative of all the Jats in the Punjab police just shows how ignorant you are. Of course there were some real bas.tards in the PP who tortured and murdered innocent Sikhs but they do not represent anything less than a very small minority. The majority of PP were just trying to survive. First Robeiro and then Gill inducted criminals and leftists into the PP and made them into SHOs, SSPs and DSPs. When the truth of what happened in the 90s comes to light which it will because the truth can never be hidden for long then people like you who eagerly accept Gill's lies will have to eat their words. There were Jats in the PP who were happy to work as slaves for the Indian state and enrich themselves but they were not the majority. When these senior officers were killed, the Kharkoos always had inside information provided by the PP constables and lower ranks. Here is a article from 1989 which shows just much the Kharkoos had infiltrated the PP had been, none of these attacks on the sons of the police officers ( these officers were mass murderers, Govind Ram was blown up a few months after his son was killed. Dangerous strategy - Indiascope News - Issue Date: Oct 15, 1989 (indiatoday.in) Here is report of the attack on Robeiro which unfortunately was unsuccessful but shows the level of inside information that the Kharkoos had within the Punjab police. Attempt on Ribeiro: Hitting deep - Cover Story News - Issue Date: Oct 31, 1986 (indiatoday.in) The Kharkoos even got to Robeiro's bodyguard. Sudden death - Indiascope News - Issue Date: Jan 15, 1988 (indiatoday.in)

She's not all that to be honest. The beauty industry has needed to break into the India market since the 1990s and hence why 'Indians' seem to win these beauty contests at regular intervals. As for the family, they are typical now of most Indian urban families they think that their mentality is modern but all they are doing are aping the west and we can see where the west has ended up morally.

I doubt these two had much experience with handling weapons and I assume they would have just done some rudimentary target practice before they went to take care of Darshan Das. I know with a shot gun all you need to do is point in the general direction and you can do a lot of damage but their having not much experience and this being their only action with guns I can understand that they would have been nervous and thus why the shotgun blast did not do the damage that it could have done.

You really do make an art out of not knowing what you are commenting on. So you think the movement was defeated by Jat Sikhs in Punjab police overwhelming the Jat Sikh Kharkoos? If that is what you are saying then you are a complete id.iot. I can understand your extreme ignorance because all you know about the movement are books by Mark Tully or propaganda from the Indian 'journalists'. I guess, your parents never sent you to Punjab during the Kharkoovaad years because like most UK Tarkhans at that time they would not send their kids to Punjab because of that fear that the 'terryrists will kill you' lol. I assume you are buying KP Gill's claim that he had just set Jats to fight Jats and destroyed the movement. Only a naive fo.ol would believe his claim. As someone who actually visited Punjab during those years (in 88, 89, twice in 1990, 1991 and 1992, 1994 and 1995 I was there when Beanta was assassinated and the whole village gave out ladoos when the news came that he was dead. Incidentally the ones who took part in the assassination were former Punjab police. I had relatives in the movement and in the Punjab administration, I can tell you that KP Gill's claim was pure propaganda and ignorant fo.ols like you buy into it because you know no better and you have no personal experience of that time. No doubt there was Partibaazi that exists in all villages which one section against the other due to a number of factors but KPS Gill's claim and you parroting the claim as if it was established fact shows how ignorant you are. He did not turn the Jats in the Punjab police into some kind of elite force to battle the Kharkoos. He bought in gandh, like the communists and leftists who came from various backgrounds including Jat backgrounds and believed in communist ideology into the Punjab police ranks and fast tracked them into SPs, SSPs and DSPs etc. Most of the Punjab police let alone just the Jats in the force did not have the will to fight the movement. Their main aim was just to get their wages and survive into next week. A lot of them were sympathetic to the movement. Many of the Kharkoos were also former members of the Punjab police who joined the movement. The Indian state had to use the CRPF which I doubt you even know, is the CENTRAL reserve police force. The police from the central govt all of whom were non-Sikhs. Along with this, the Indian state used its intelligence agencies as well in the early 1990 when the Kharkoo movement had virtually total control of the rural areas, the Indian army. The collapse of the movement came from the intelligence that the Pakistanis under Benazir Bhutto provided to the Indian govt about the locations of Kharkoo safehouses, their methodology, their mode of communication and their leadership structure. With this information the Indian state was able to pick up most of the Kharkoo leadership, keep them hidden in police stations and then murder them in fake encounters at regular intervals to show how the Punjab police was winning against the Kharkoos. Why do you think that there is no active militant movement in Punjab now? The Kharkoos around now realised at that time that Pakistan betrayed them and they will not play Pakistan's game now and get another generation of committed Sikh youth murdered by the Indian state. Pakistan has been trying to bring about a situation like the early 1990s back to Punjab so that rather than their precious Muslim Kashmiris being killed by the Indian army, it will be Sikh youth being murdered. They want Punjab to keep some of the Indian army bogged down in fighting Kharkoos thus taking the pressure off the Kashmiris.

Bhai Rajinder Singh honoured at Akal Takht a few days ago.

Back to the Manmati. I remember that one of the local Punjabi newspapers at the time, it could have been Des Pardes or Punjab Times actually have a photo of Darshan Das's naked dead body, both from the front and the back (yes, he did not have anything on at all!) on the morgue slab which when I look back shows just how wild Punjabi journalism was them. Can't imagine that happening now.

Looks like I rattled your cage again. Look at anywhere among any people and you will get traitors. A majority of the J&K police are Muslims and yet Muslims are openly murdered by them and by the Indian army. What a numbskull like you cannot understand is that I am referring to Tarkhans who live in a free country and yet choose to be the slaves of the Indian govt. If some Jats in Punjab opposed the movement for whatever reason, they were under the control of the Indian state. What excuse do Tarkhans in the UK have?

What's the matter, the truth hurts. If you want to swear at least learn to spell Bhainchoad. Your people were the slaves of the Indian govt and relished the role of as a fifth column. If some Jats fought for Indian govt, more fought and gave their lives for Khalistan. Apart from Rayat of Air India, I don't know of any Tarkhan who fought the Indian state. Give it up man, your people have always been an embarrassment to Sikhi.

Nope, majority Tarkhans. Look at the two guys that were killed with the Manmati.

Interestingly enough a lot of Darshan Das's followers were Tarkhans. Probably Jats didn't vote for them in the Singh Sabha elections so they went to Darshan Das! There was a lot scandal around Darshan Das especially that he would make the wives of his followers stay with him alone. After 1984, the Tarkhans were the most anti-Khalistan of all Sikhs. Prior to 1984, some Tarkhans were involved in the Sandesh newspaper which regurgitated Indian govt propaganda and the owner of which was an Indian govt agent who received money from the GOI to write against the Dharam Yudh morcha. I think he wrote an editorial after Operation Bluestar that had Santji been caught alive by the Indian army he would have been bought to Delhi in chains. This really made Sikhs angry and the newspaper was petrol bombed soon after that and one of the workers, a Tarkhan died in the fire. Because of Zail Singh most Tarkhans were supportive of the Indian govt. Parnaam to these two heroes who gave up their freedom for the Guru.

It's the maxim that Goebbels understood only too well. If you tell a lie enough times then eventually people will start to believe that it is the truth. The first thing George W Bush did after nearly 3000 of the citizens of his country who he was duty bound to protect had just been incinerated by Muslim terrorists claiming that their God is the greatest was to go to a Mosque and make the statement that Islam is a religion of peace. That one lie which was propagated by the liberal media endlessly over the last two decades has now been engrained into most people. The narrative is that any Muslim committing an act of terrorism is not a 'true' Muslim, even those like Al Bagdadi the leader of ISIS who has a PhD in Quranic studies and the Taliban who study their religion endlessly in the Madrassas apparently don't know their religion but slick media savvy Muslim spokesmen in the west know more than them.

I don't think that politics is the issue, in fact our willingness to fight for our rights is one of the things which attract others towards our religion and culture. The issue is the idiocy that some of our people display in aiding our enemies in order to pi$$ off the Hindutvis. If the Hindutvis want to prevent their streets and public spaces from being occupied by Muslims even if it for a few hours, then our moorak.hs will want to allow them to occupy our Gurdwaras to pi$$ of the Hindutvis. We need to understand that only the liberal Hindus who hate us and were the ones in charge when the last genocide of our people occurred and the only ones who want to have Muslims as allies or who believe that Muslims are oppressed. Most Hindus in India have a better understanding of history than our people do now. Even the Dalits although they might accept Muslims as being fellow oppressed still will not make common cause with Muslims because they understand the mentality of these people. Only our people have turned 180 degrees in the last few decades. Our constant pandering to Muslims is alienating the common Hindu from us. The people who are our natural allies are being alienated and the ones who hate us we are empowering, this is the idiocy that is taking hold in our people pushed by liberal moora.khs like Ravi Singh and others. Just read what the Muslims of Lakhimpur Kheri's Banveerpur village were saying when our people were murdered by the son of the BJP minister. They did not let Ravi Singh pandering and helping the Rohingyas and wanting Namaz in Gurdwaras stop them from hating the Sikhs who were doing better than them in Lakhimpur Kheri. Lakhimpur: Banveerpur’s Hindu-Muslim and Sikh communities have very different stories on Ajay Mishra (newslaundry.com)