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speaker - Deg Tegh sangat - Fateh meaning: * Degh means Kettle (symbol of charity or of the means to feed the poor) * Tegh means Sword (symbol of power to protect the weak and helpless) * Fateh means Victory. speaker - Raj Karega sangat - Khalsa meaning: The Khalsa Shall Rule (Its a Bachchan - holy saying - of the Tenth Guru, recorded by Bhai Nand Lal Singh) speaker - Bole So Nihal sangat - Sat Sri Akal meaning: Blessed is the One, Great Timeless Lord. (Sikh warcry). "Bole So Nihal" is a call to action, or expression of ecstatic joy or an invocation for Divine aid or succour. While Sat means ‘true’, ‘good’, ‘abiding’, ‘real’ and ‘eternal’, sri is an honorific denoting beauty, glory, grace or majesty. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Veerji, I have got little information for you, sorry. I have done much research on Guru Sahib's Udasis, but haven't been able to find much except Bhai Gurdas Ji's vaars about their stay at Mecca. I haven't been able to find that book but will give you all details I have got. The book has been written by Professor K.S. Sahota. It was published in Thailand by the Gurdwara Guru Singh Sabha in 1969. It counts 170 pages or so. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

My friends from Southall told me it was real good... Can't wait to see the pics. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

elbow: kkhazlmswaz nose: khalosa hand: khalsa Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Heck this really angers me. Esp that pastor Harbhajan Singh who forcibly converted 2800 to Christianity. They lure most of those naive people by calling their congretion Satsangat, calling Jesus Satguru etc Sikhs in Punjab should do something before its too late. Christian problem in Punjab, Islam problem in west, ....... Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

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lol luckily I am from warrior heritage. The great grandfather of my greatgrandfather was a Nihang and fought in battles against others. He took amrit from Akali Baba Poola Singh Ji. On a serious note, I don't think if our ancestors were warriors or not makes a difference on us, only thing it can do is inspire us. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

I will post a Sakhi related to this issue once I find it... Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Here it is: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nihang_language (added 2 words that Matheen bhaji provided too) Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

I had made a page on SikhiWiki some time ago... I will post the link as I can't seem to find it right now.. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

'Sikh and tired of it' 25-03-2009 IT is a conflict which has led to thousands of deaths, seeped onto the streets of Britain from the sub-continent, and just refuses to go away. Now Birmingham is the latest city to be engulfed again by tensions between Muslims and Sikhs, stemming from the bloody partition of India and Pakistan. The attack on a gurdwara in east London last week has also put Sikh-Muslim relations under the spotlight with some blaming community tensions for the arson. In the past few months, there have been six reported armed clashes between youths and the tensions has led to a conflict resolution group intervening in Birmingham. The youngsters, aged between 16 and 18, have clashed over Muslim youths dating Sikh girls leading to an explosive cocktail of jealousy and rumours about forced conversions, according to the West Midlands Mediation and Transformation Service (WMMTS). To avoid more ugly episodes, independent mediation service WMMTS will meet the Faith Matters group to discuss taking community leaders to a peace centre in Northern Ireland to resolve their differences. Kirk Dawes, managing director of WMMTS, told Eastern Eye that Muslim and Sikh leaders need to come together. Dawes said: “There is fear of violence unless people get into dialogue to get peace. We bring people to the table and problem solve with those involved. “There is a lack of knowledge between generations, there is loads of cultures in a melting pot. you take people out of this and enable them to get to know each other better. “Corrymeela has a reputation for doing this, that might be a process we could do.” He added: “Some Sikhs are taking it as Muslim boys stealing their girls, (and there) is rumour and innuendo about conversions. When conflict spirals it starts slowly, then they pick up weapons and are engaged in fights and getting injured.” The West Midlands city is no stranger to these clashes. In 1997, the Birmingham-based Shere-e-Punjab Sikh gang invaded Slough to attack cars and homes in its war with the Chalvey Boyz. Just last month, The Centre for Social Justice warned up to 400 people in Birmingham were involved in gangs split along ethnic or religious lines and claimed the government had shown “a lack of urgency” in dealing with the problem. But a glimmer of hope for Birmingham is Faith Matters’ successful journey to Northern Ireland which took community leaders from areas including Coventry, Slough, and Wolverhampton. Faith Matters used government money to take 15 Muslims and 15 Sikhs to the Corrymeela Centre last July for talks. The four-day trip involved brainstorming sessions to challenge myths. The group then produced a handbook for councils on how to resolve future conflicts. Fiyaz Mughal, director of Faith Matters, said tensions have spiralled since websites spread rumours that Muslims were behind the fire at the Gurdwara Sikh Sangat last week. He said: “Over the last two to three months the level of tension in Birmingham has been rising. Because of small youthbased activity and the Sikh elders blaming Muslims for them being accepted more, a ‘them and us’ mentality has arisen. “The second element beyond Birmingham are websites and chatter that Muslims were responsible for the fire at the gurdwara. There is a lot of hot air and stereotyping. Since the work we have done, there has been a more coordinated attempt to divide them. We will be meeting with the Equality and Human Rights Commission to get people around the table.” EE visited Birmingham to speak to asian youths and community leaders about the bones of contention between them. Dr Mohammed Naseem, chair of Birmingham Central Mosque, raised the issue of Sikh and Muslim tension at Wednesday’s (25) Inter Faith leaders meeting. Naseem said: “There has been a problem in the past, but the majority was not involved. “It may be some isolated groups, but the leadership is strongly against this. “There are websites interested in creating a rift between the communities... people should not get carried away by their emotions.” Harmander Singh, spokesman for Sikhs in England, said: “Within an hour of the fire, I put out an e-mail saying do not speculate as that is dangerous and unhelpful. “On Muslim guys dating Sikh girls and vice versa, that is typical when one community does not tolerate the other. “It takes two to tango and if they come out and say they are not being forced to date each other, that will help resolve it. It increases dialogue, instead of just accusations.” But the historic tensions, that began with the partition of India in 1947 when thousands were forced to flee their homes, have seeped through to second-generation Muslims and Sikhs in the Midlands city. Yasim, a 17-year-old from Alum Rock, said: “Sikh boys try to steal our [Muslim] girls as well, it works both ways. “There are always fights at college, they go around calling us things like ‘terrorists’.” Sukhdev, a 19-year-old student from Alum Rock, said: “Muslims go around thinking they are gangsters, trying to intimidate us. We are just defending ourselves.” The plan to take community leaders from Birmingham for peace talks has been backed by Khalid Mahmood (pictured), the Labour MP for Perry Barr. Mahmood said: “It is always a good idea to take kids from inner city areas to places like Northern Ireland, to broaden their horizons and show them how other people deal with different situations. “I don’t think there is a huge amount of tensions, but individual cases between young people. It is kids trying to assert themselves as leaders in schools or colleges. “We need to get people out of that mentality and get them into something more constructive like sport.” by Nadeem Badshah

You can contact Jarnail Singh at his personal phone number, From India: 09999220024 Outside India: 0091 9999220024 Bhul Chuk Maaf. WJKK WJKF

EXACTLY THE SAME HERE BRO... Lollll... They give those Hindi and Punjabi versions of Watchtower or something, and also in Dutch for me. Only thing is that I'm in Belgium. 2 old Jehova's witnesses come monthly and irritate me to death. Sometimes I just want to chase them out of house, but my dad forbids me. They really think I'm interested.. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

He did a good job. Should have hit that minister hard. Now atleast more people know about 1984. Local dutch newspaper hardly writes about Sikhs, but now it wrote about this incident, and included about 1984. Very good, respect to my bro Jarnail Singh. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Thanks lol Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

They had forecast bad weather, luckily it was nice weather all days we were there.µ Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Waheguru Kinna Uch Charitar Si Khalse Da... We need that back! Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

No casualties and Maharaj's saroops are all fine. Luckily the Gurdwara management found out at time. Usually there ain't much persons around in a Gurughar Sahib round midnight. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

The only area in Belgium where Sikhs live in significant numbers is the Haspengauw area (which is an agricultural area). Most of the SIkhs are in Hassel, Sint Truiden en Borgloon. There are 3 Gurughars in the area. (there are 5 in the whole country) Some days ago, a miscreant threw a petrol bomb in the Jora Ghar of the Gurughar in Hoepertingen (under Sardar Parshan Singh). Luckily the Jora Ghar had been shifted to another place some days ago. This happened at midnight. Gurdwara comittee noticed only when whole the place was full of smoke. They informed the police which arrived very soon. Police is still looking for the culprit(s). Right now, I'm in a real real angry mood. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

I have to agree that UK is one of the best, if not best, countries for a Sikh. Canada may be good too. Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

No Britishers, no Americans and no Aussies... Belgians ALL D WAY ! Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

haha aho... true that Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

Me in Scotland on this thursday (on school trip) Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF

^ Only those fat smelly people that eat karah parshad all day, and go around being so called Saviours of the Panth... Bhul Chuk Maaf, WJKK WJKF