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^^^ Jihna de ghar sheese de hunde aa, uh dujia de ghara te paathar ni maarde.

and its funny how you said you are a jatt born in a sikh family. what makes you a jatt ?? could you please define jatt for me? :)

Jat people (IAST: Jāṭ, Hindi: जाट, Punjabi: ਜੱਟ جاٹ, Urdu: جاٹ‎) of Northern India and Pakistan, are an ethnic group possibly descendants of Indo-Aryan/Indo-Scythian tribes.[2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatt

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^^^ Jihna de ghar sheese de hunde aa, uh dujia de ghara te paathar ni maarde.

and its funny how you said you are a jatt born in a sikh family. what makes you a jatt ?? could you please define jatt for me? :)

Jat people (IAST: Jāṭ, Hindi: जाट, Punjabi: ਜੱਟ جاٹ, Urdu: جاٹ‎) of Northern India and Pakistan, are an ethnic group possibly descendants of Indo-Aryan/Indo-Scythian tribes.[2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatt

Can a person be born as a JATT ? :)

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I guess you missed this post. Definition of a Sikh :)

actualy if you had read all of them, u'd see that part is common in all :)
What is the definition of a Sikh according to the Guru Granth Sahib ji?
ok first off, the spgc definiton of a sikh is panth parvaan, top most sikh scholars at the time got together and for a long time contemplated what it should be. so before you question it i ask you to keep that in mind.

however, reading your previous posts, i can tell that wont satisfy you rolleyes.gif so here's what Dhan Guru Raam Daas Ji says a sikh should be

mÚ 4 ]

ma 4 ||

Fourth Mehla:

gur siqgur kw jo isKu AKwey su Blky auiT hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae out(h) har naam dhhiaavai ||

One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

audmu kry Blky prBwqI iesnwnu kry AMimRq sir nwvY ]

oudham karae bhalakae parabhaathee eisanaan karae a(n)mrith sar naavai ||

Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

aupdyis gurU hir hir jpu jwpY siB iklivK pwp doK lih jwvY ]

oupadhaes guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilavikh paap dhokh lehi jaavai ||

Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

iPir cVY idvsu gurbwxI gwvY bhidAw auTidAw hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

fir charrai dhivas gurabaanee gaavai behadhiaa out(h)adhiaa har naam dhhiaavai ||

Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.

jo swis igrwis iDAwey myrw hir hir so gurisKu gurU min BwvY ]

jo saas giraas dhhiaaeae maeraa har har so gurasikh guroo man bhaavai ||

One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

ijs no dieAwlu hovY myrw suAwmI iqsu gurisK gurU aupdysu suxwvY ]

jis no dhaeiaal hovai maeraa suaamee this gurasikh guroo oupadhaes sunaavai ||

That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.

jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2]

jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2||

Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||

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actualy if you had read all of them, u'd see that part is common in all :)
What is the definition of a Sikh according to the Guru Granth Sahib ji?
ok first off, the spgc definiton of a sikh is panth parvaan, top most sikh scholars at the time got together and for a long time contemplated what it should be. so before you question it i ask you to keep that in mind.

however, reading your previous posts, i can tell that wont satisfy you rolleyes.gif so here's what Dhan Guru Raam Daas Ji says a sikh should be

mÚ 4 ]

ma 4 ||

Fourth Mehla:

gur siqgur kw jo isKu AKwey su Blky auiT hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae out(h) har naam dhhiaavai ||

One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

audmu kry Blky prBwqI iesnwnu kry AMimRq sir nwvY ]

oudham karae bhalakae parabhaathee eisanaan karae a(n)mrith sar naavai ||

Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

aupdyis gurU hir hir jpu jwpY siB iklivK pwp doK lih jwvY ]

oupadhaes guroo har har jap jaapai sabh kilavikh paap dhokh lehi jaavai ||

Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

iPir cVY idvsu gurbwxI gwvY bhidAw auTidAw hir nwmu iDAwvY ]

fir charrai dhivas gurabaanee gaavai behadhiaa out(h)adhiaa har naam dhhiaavai ||

Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.

jo swis igrwis iDAwey myrw hir hir so gurisKu gurU min BwvY ]

jo saas giraas dhhiaaeae maeraa har har so gurasikh guroo man bhaavai ||

One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

ijs no dieAwlu hovY myrw suAwmI iqsu gurisK gurU aupdysu suxwvY ]

jis no dhaeiaal hovai maeraa suaamee this gurasikh guroo oupadhaes sunaavai ||

That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.

jnu nwnku DUiV mMgY iqsu gurisK kI jo Awip jpY Avrh nwmu jpwvY ]2]

jan naanak dhhoorr ma(n)gai this gurasikh kee jo aap japai avareh naam japaavai ||2||

Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||

I personally don't care if I am Sikh or not, but I am sure that most Keshdhari do consider themselves as Sikhs. If they didn't, then why do their wear turbans?

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ok i will be real blunt here. what gives you the right to question a sikh if you are not rolleyes.gif

also, one doesn't become sikh by themselves, one can only become a sikh if guru makes them a sikh

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^^^ Jihna de ghar sheese de hunde aa, uh dujia de ghara te paathar ni maarde.

and its funny how you said you are a jatt born in a sikh family. what makes you a jatt ?? could you please define jatt for me? :)

Jat people (IAST: Jāṭ, Hindi: जाट, Punjabi: ਜੱਟ جاٹ, Urdu: جاٹ‎) of Northern India and Pakistan, are an ethnic group possibly descendants of Indo-Aryan/Indo-Scythian tribes.[2][3][4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatt

Can a person be born as a JATT ? :)

Read my post again. Jatt is an ethnic group. To say you can't be born as a jatt is like say you can’t be born as a Punjabi. Anyway, I don't want to go off-topic here. If you want learn more about jatts, then do some research.

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I personally don't care if I am Sikh or not, but I am sure that most Keshdhari do consider themselves as Sikhs. If they didn't, then why do their wear turbans?

But you had asked for the definition of Sikh.

Keshdahris are the people who are a step ahead from monne people on the path of becoming khalsa.

No one cares if you are a sikh or not. Tusi kisse di kehan te thori sikh bann jana. you should do what you feel is right for you. and i think we should be concerened about ourselves first and then set this world straight.

So were you born as a JATT ?

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