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waheguru jee ka khalsa, waheguru jee kee fateh!

when playing a shabad in its raag, should we include sargam? is this practice in accordance with gurmat?? i sometimes find that sargam can disrupt the shabad...really dont mean to offend anybody here. sorry if ive totally lost the plot. thanks

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What do you mean by sargam? Doesn't that just refer to "sa re ga ma..."? If so, don't the raags have to be done using the right "sargams"?

I'm just confused at what you mean...

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no thats not what he means. you are correct that each raag has it own sargams, but when we sing shabad, we sing the shabad, not raag's sargam.

like some people start singing the actual "sa re ga ma ..."

get it :umm:

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yeh true...i think aslong as u got it in the raag , which is wikd (even without raag is kool)...you dont really need to add the sargam's to the shabad...(unless it helps:D) just the shabad pray.gif

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Oh okay, I get it now; I thought that, but wasn't sure... lol, you probably don't believe me hahhaa

well, IMHO, it's okay in moderation, sometimes it sounds cool just to hear the guy do it, but some people that I've heard do it WAAAAY too much, and then it takes away from the shabad.

Like Devinder Singh if you've heard him (the brother of Gulbagh Singh and Dilbagh Singh, now the middle keertanee); sometimes he does it and it sounds good because he's good at it, but, like one time, they did it like 10+ times on ONE LINE, not even joking, and they were long too; it was at Harmandar Sahib.

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my ustaad always told me it wasnt good..because were doing kirtan not singing sangeet, and sangeet is where sa re ga ma pa da comes into play, to show your skill...also kirtan is also much higher than sangeet, so singing it in a shabd seems like your giving it that much respect..my ustaad said if u really wanna do it do it in aakaar. sorry if i have offended anyone

bhul chuk maaf

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the proffessor i learned from told us that the sargams and the thana are for when you go to a competiton at a gurdwara you would just do the shabad. Its your choice but i like leaving them out because i rather just sing the shabad then mess up theres fast sargams. When you say sargams you mean thana like you start singing the shabad fast like Dhan uhu preet charan sang sare ga- sare ga- sare gapa dapa gare sa-

Alot of classical raagis i guess do these, cuz iv seen this jatha from anadpur saheb these 2 girls who do wikid classical kirtan and they did those plus alaaps which is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol

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