Urgent Advice Needed.

[mskcan]

Situation:

Pinderfield's General Hospital: Ward Physiotherapy...

Problem: Infection control Warden States "I am not allowed to wear Kara."

Situation: Explained to them I am required to wear it as they allow wedding bands.

Current status: unknown, is there any prescedence organisation who can back my case?

Regards

[Matheen]

Is your Kara stainless steel or sarbloh? Actually, whatever it is, the cleaning gel you use before going in to the wards is enough to clean it properly.

I know several doctors who wear karas so i'm sure you'll be ok.

Just keep it hidden from view if need be.

[mskcan]

Is your Kara stainless steel or sarbloh? Actually, whatever it is, the cleaning gel you use before going in to the wards is enough to clean it properly.

I know several doctors who wear karas so i'm sure you'll be ok.

Just keep it hidden from view if need be.

They've already brought the Issue Up, ie. they've seen it.

Please advise what I can say to them

Please provide email of Doctors if they can back me up.

Regards

[s8220]

Is your Kara stainless steel or sarbloh? Actually, whatever it is, the cleaning gel you use before going in to the wards is enough to clean it properly.

I know several doctors who wear karas so i'm sure you'll be ok.

Just keep it hidden from view if need be.

They've already brought the Issue Up, ie. they've seen it.

Please advise what I can say to them

Please provide email of Doctors if they can back me up.

Regards

Hey, the hospital i'm at has a Bare Below the Elbows policy too, but they also are allowed to wear wedding bands. I'd mention a few things to them:

1) you Kara can stay up on your forearm without really sliding down to your wrists, unlike a wedding ring.

2) there is little evidence to suggest that a kara contributes to any nosocomial infections

3) the reasons for banning wrist watches and long sleeves was that with them on, you cannot effectively wash your wrists. this is NOT the case with a kara.

however, as i'm doing Obs and Gynae and I'd rather take a hit myself than have the newborns and prems from getting an infection, I often take mine off and slip it into my back pocket. I can't imagine its too dissimilar to wearing a baby kirpan in a chain around ones neck. I put my kara back on whenever I leave the hospital to go from building to building, and your kara is still always on your person.

If you do feel they'll come down heavy on you, contact the Sikh Coalition. If you would like, I know of a Consultant Cardiology in London (Prof Kooner) who was president of the sikh youth federation, is Amritdhari and even won Consultant of the Year. I'm sure he would happily send an e-mail to the appropriate people backing you up.

email me/PM me if you'd like for me to organise this.

Fateh

[mskcan]

Hey, the hospital i'm at has a Bare Below the Elbows policy too, but they also are allowed to wear wedding bands. I'd mention a few things to them:

1) you Kara can stay up on your forearm without really sliding down to your wrists, unlike a wedding ring.

2) there is little evidence to suggest that a kara contributes to any nosocomial infections

3) the reasons for banning wrist watches and long sleeves was that with them on, you cannot effectively wash your wrists. this is NOT the case with a kara.

I have mentioned that it is equivalent to others wearing their wedding band. I would wash it and I would not wear it during physical patient contact. They are saying I can not even wear it on ward. It is similar to a wedding band in that it has no sharp corners like a watch, or places for dirt to collect like a diamond ring or watch.

however, as i'm doing Obs and Gynae and I'd rather take a hit myself than have the newborns and prems from getting an infection, I often take mine off and slip it into my back pocket. I can't imagine its too dissimilar to wearing a baby kirpan in a chain around ones neck. I put my kara back on whenever I leave the hospital to go from building to building, and your kara is still always on your person.

Glad to see we are in the same situation, but imagine if people fought to wear a wedding band, why can't we fight for a wrist band. I am thinking at this moment of just bandaging it up as high as it goes up the wrist.

If you do feel they'll come down heavy on you, contact the Sikh Coalition.

Emailed them, Saldef and ...

If you would like, I know of a Consultant Cardiology in London (Prof Kooner) who was president of the sikh youth federation, is Amritdhari and even won Consultant of the Year. I'm sure he would happily send an e-mail to the appropriate people backing you up.

Please could you send him my case, or send me his email.

email me/PM me if you'd like for me to organise this.

Fateh

Thank you

[s8220]

Hey, the hospital i'm at has a Bare Below the Elbows policy too, but they also are allowed to wear wedding bands. I'd mention a few things to them:

1) you Kara can stay up on your forearm without really sliding down to your wrists, unlike a wedding ring.

2) there is little evidence to suggest that a kara contributes to any nosocomial infections

3) the reasons for banning wrist watches and long sleeves was that with them on, you cannot effectively wash your wrists. this is NOT the case with a kara.

I have mentioned that it is equivalent to others wearing their wedding band. I would wash it and I would not wear it during physical patient contact. They are saying I can not even wear it on ward. It is similar to a wedding band in that it has no sharp corners like a watch, or places for dirt to collect like a diamond ring or watch.

however, as i'm doing Obs and Gynae and I'd rather take a hit myself than have the newborns and prems from getting an infection, I often take mine off and slip it into my back pocket. I can't imagine its too dissimilar to wearing a baby kirpan in a chain around ones neck. I put my kara back on whenever I leave the hospital to go from building to building, and your kara is still always on your person.

Glad to see we are in the same situation, but imagine if people fought to wear a wedding band, why can't we fight for a wrist band. I am thinking at this moment of just bandaging it up as high as it goes up the wrist.

If you do feel they'll come down heavy on you, contact the Sikh Coalition.

Emailed them, Saldef and ...

If you would like, I know of a Consultant Cardiology in London (Prof Kooner) who was president of the sikh youth federation, is Amritdhari and even won Consultant of the Year. I'm sure he would happily send an e-mail to the appropriate people backing you up.

Please could you send him my case, or send me his email.

email me/PM me if you'd like for me to organise this.

Fateh

Thank you

Paaji,

can you tell me where you work? As in the hospital?

[Temporary]

Situation:

Pinderfield's General Hospital: Ward Physiotherapy...

Problem: Infection control Warden States "I am not allowed to wear Kara."

Situation: Explained to them I am required to wear it as they allow wedding bands.

Current status: unknown, is there any prescedence organisation who can back my case?

Regards

Veer, I'm in EM and i would suggest, please take off your kara and whenever you are allowed to put it back on do ardas and put it back on. I work in emergency medicine and on my calls, i take off my kara, mundri (lol), simrana. Its for something we call BSI in emergency medicine in US (don;t know about uk), however i keep my kirpan on as its under my clothes. Hope it helps, and its for your and wards safety as there and standards in medicine, and i always tell everyone to follow them. Please do obligue. Thank you.

WJKK, WJKF!!

[mskcan]

pinderfields general hospital

acute orthopaedic ward F

[Matheen]

Also bear in mind that the kara doesn't have to be on your arm - some singhs wear one in their dastars when they spar.

[s8220]

I must say, I agree with Temporary.

If you're on orthopaedics, any infection to a wound site can be potentially fatal. it's better to take the hit yourself, Waheguru will know that your actions are altruistic. I agree that it's unfair about the wedding rings issue, but that doesn't matter - we must protect our patients first!

But, if you do want help and assistance, you've got it. Just mobilise the troops, so to speak