Asa Di Vaar

[saggu]

Ram Rai altered a one word and satguru refused to see him, we are altering the entire structure of bani isnt that worse?

That's right, Ram Rai did what he did and WE are changing the bani to suit us? Why can't we impress the Guru with Raag? Everyone has the potential to sing Raag, but yet we don't, why 'cos its too hard? It's meant to be hard. Get off your <banned word filter activated> and learn.

[xHarinder_singh]

I feel that when a kamayee vaali aatmaa does kirtan, that kirtan has an effect on the sangat even if its not sung in raag.

When there is no kamaayee, kirtan loses its power.

These days, when people dont have kamayee and also dont have raaag, the kirtan becomes a sort of pakhand kirtan and then u have people starting their "waheguru waheguru waheguru .. " between the kirtan. Its a complete mess.

[Jaspaul Singh]

I feel that when a kamayee vaali aatmaa does kirtan, that kirtan has an effect on the sangat even if its not sung in raag.

When there is no kamaayee, kirtan loses its power.

These days, when people dont have kamayee and also dont have raaag, the kirtan becomes a sort of pakhand kirtan and then u have people starting their "waheguru waheguru waheguru .. " between the kirtan. Its a complete mess.

We do not know the 'kamayee' level of ANY kirtanee. The same thing can be said of sikhs that singh in raag, that it can be all for 'show' to showoff their 'skills'. Becareful in what way we say things.

End of discussion, we have no kamayee level to go up against mahan gursikhs (not only in AKJ) but others such as Sant Isher Singh jee rara saahib vale who did kirtan in 'non-raag'. If you guys want to continue to argue about it its upto you, but careful on your wordings especially when it comes back to these gursikhs.

Vaheguruu

[xHarinder_singh]

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We do not know the 'kamayee' level of ANY kirtanee. The same thing can be said of sikhs that singh in raag, that it can be all for 'show' to showoff their 'skills'. Becareful in what way we say things.

End of discussion, we have no kamayee level to go up against mahan gursikhs (not only in AKJ) but others such as Sant Isher Singh jee rara saahib vale who did kirtan in 'non-raag'. If you guys want to continue to argue about it its upto you, but careful on your wordings especially when it comes back to these gursikhs.

Vaheguruu

Kamayee is not known, it is FELT. When u will hear to a kamayee vala attmaa's kirtan, that kirtan will hit ur heart, it will bring u nearer to Guru.

But if u will have kirtanniyaas who are doing kirtan to get some NRI rishta, or to impress bibis, when u have people fighting for their turn to do kirtan, it is nuthing but pakhand kirtan.