Clarifications On Dasam Granth

[Inder Singh]

well y are there 3 different sites that show 3 different things, thats my question.

Shashtr

You may be referring to Bir of Bhai mani singh ji.That had SGGS and dasam granth combined in one bir.That si the raeson having so many pages.

When sodhak committee standardized the present bir they had deleted some banis and we have this bir with 1428 pages.But Nihung singhs have the bir in which there is no deletion of these banis.

[Inder Singh]

Mr. Inder Singh. Can you please post pics of both the birs from 1697/1698? It would be a great seva...

Here you can see the Patna bir

http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/Beerh...201698%20AD.pdf

[Guest shastr]

well y are there 3 different sites that show 3 different things, thats my question.

Shashtr

You may be referring to Bir of Bhai mani singh ji.That had SGGS and dasam granth combined in one bir.That si the raeson having so many pages.

When sodhak committee standardized the present bir they had deleted some banis and we have this bir with 1428 pages.But Nihung singhs have the bir in which there is no deletion of these banis.

nahi ji, the bir iam talking about is here: sridasam.org

its not the one with SGGS in it. i dont know, is this the one before they deleted some parts of banis?

[Inder Singh]

So is that story about it being compiled into one granth after Sukha and Mehtab Singh beheaded Massa Ranghar false?

There are so may stories, one as above. Another saying Bhai Mani Singh compiled it and now this.

Is the original poster saying that there are two puratan birs of DG in the US? How did they get there?

What are those stories?Do your home work and then question the birs.

I wrote digitized copies of manuscripts are in USA.I did not write birs are there in actuality.

[Inder Singh]

well y are there 3 different sites that show 3 different things, thats my question.

Shashtr

You may be referring to Bir of Bhai mani singh ji.That had SGGS and dasam granth combined in one bir.That si the raeson having so many pages.

When sodhak committee standardized the present bir they had deleted some banis and we have this bir with 1428 pages.But Nihung singhs have the bir in which there is no deletion of these banis.

nahi ji, the bir iam talking about is here: sridasam.org

its not the one with SGGS in it. i dont know, is this the one before they deleted some parts of banis?

Can you give us the link.When i go to sridasam.org i find nothing.

[Guest shastr]

http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?c=t

if you get an error message or something, just press enter, and then press backspace.

[dalsingh101]

Kahn Singh Nabha's piece:

http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/brief...ikahnsingh.html

A Brief History of Sri Dasam Granth

(Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha)

In the year Samvat 1778 (1721 A.D.) i.e. thirteen years after Guru Gobind Singh ji's demise Mata Sundri ji appointed Bhai Mani Singh ji as Granthi of Darbar Sahib, Sri Amritsar. Bhai Mani Singh ji discharged his duty very efficiently and during his tenure compiled different books including volumes of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and a volume containing writings of Guru Gobind Singh ji. He took a lot pain to collect writing from poets and devout Sikhs and prepared A Granth of the Tenth Master, known as Dasvin Patshahi ka Granth.

Bhai Mani Singh ji attained martyrdom in Samvat 1795 (1738 A.D.) i.e. thirty years after the Guru Gobind Singh ji left this world. Thereafter the Sikhs chose to send the volume of Dasam Granth to Damdama Sahib for perusal which was the seat of learning at that time and was known as Guru ki Kanshi.

Volume of this Dasam Granth was discussed in detail in the Khalsa Divan. There three views emerged. First: the entire volume be kept as such and be not split into different parts. Second: we should have one Granth only which has been conferred guru ship by Guru Gobind Singh ji himself and this Granth be split into different books so that the learned, scholars, Gianis and students are able to study it according to their competency. Third: many said that it should be split into two parts, one containing sri mukhvak banee which enunciates the principles of the of Khalsa and the second volume should contain the history etc. Fourth: many said that the volumeprepared by Bhai Mani Singh ji should remain intact but certain deficiencies be removed, like searching missing portions etc .Fifth: many were of the view that the rest of the Granth be kept as such but the Chritras and eleven Hikayats, which could not be recited in the open divan and is more difficult for ladies, should be kept in another volume. Many more suggestions came but the gathering could not reach to any conclusion. Then Bhai Mehtab Singh Mirankotia came to the venue and said “I am going to punish Massa Ranghar for desecration of Sri Harimandir Sahib. If I come back alive after killing Massa Ranghar then this Granth should be preserved as such, and if I attain martyrdom then this should be split into different books”. Bhai Mahtab Singh returned safe after accomplishing the feat and the ' beer' of Dasam Granth remained intact.

[republicofkhalistan]

Thanks Inder Singh...

Can we also view the Hazuri Bir?

[republicofkhalistan]

Shastr,

I had asked the same question as u some time ago.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=37811&hl=

So, from collecting info from various sources is that...

The standard version of 1428 pages, doesnt include Charitropakhyan (793 pages), and some others like Sahansharnama and Malkus ki vaar.

Inder Singh wrote this on that thread about the ?Bani? of Malkus Ki Vaar: I have a copy of this document with me.There are seven pages.It mentions Har ju hartmandir avange and also name nanak is there in concluding line.

So could you please tell a bit more about Malkus Ki Vaar, and if possible also of Sahansharnama...

[Guest shastr]

Shastr,

I had asked the same question as u some time ago.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=37811&hl=

So, from collecting info from various sources is that...

The standard version of 1428 pages, doesnt include Chandi Charitar (793 pages), and some others like Sahansharnama and Malkus ki vaar.

Inder Singh wrote this on that thread about the ?Bani? of Malkus Ki Vaar: I have a copy of this document with me.There are seven pages.It mentions Har ju hartmandir avange and also name nanak is there in concluding line.

So could you please tell a bit more about Malkus Ki Vaar, and if possible also of Sahansharnama...

oh! i get it.

and "har ju harmandir avange" is a line that comes in kalki swaiye, many times. bhai sukha singh ji has done an audio file of kalki swaiye. u can hear it at: http://sridasamgranth.com/#/dasamgranthaud...ayer/4526692036

so the standard version has no chandi charitar? aww man, how we gonna get any bir raas without chandi charitar? who's idea was to take these banis out?