Can A Non-amritdhair 'gursikh' Wear A Kirpan

[saint-soldier]

as jassa said if you want to be blessed with amrit then one should wear all the kakkars 2-3 months before given that person keeps rehit. Other than that i dont see any reasons why someone would want to wear a kirpan unless that person wants to show off, same goes for kara.

a person that dosnt know why they wear a kara or wear it coz they think its cool shouldnt wear it. Kesh in my opinion is a little different coz people are bought up in sikh families where they keep kesh and most of the people that keep kesh knows the importance of it. Kesh is the minimum that a sikh should have with other things if they want to become a gursikh.

Its like there are many steps that we need to take to become a gursikh and many people don’t take all the steps and are happy to stand or get stuck on the step where they are to keep kesh and don’t make any effort to take the next step. That’s why we have soo many people that think they are doing waheguru a huge favour by just keeping there kesh…I hope this makes sense lol… and the same goes for other kakkars, no point in having kesh and wearing a kara if you dont want to make any effort to live as a gursikh or if you dont respect it(atleast thats what i think).

[Nehmat]

I was waiting for someone to say something like that hence the use of the ' ' .

In a lot of communites around the Uk thats i've been to, families use the word 'Gursikh' for those who keep at least their kesh and dastaar so please don't pull me up on that one cause I already know that it really is better associated with Amritdhari...

Also, where does showing off come into this?

I mearly asked if it was something someone can do, but didn't imply it involved me at all. But again, thanks for those useful comments or 'assumptions' about the poster...

I apologize for hurting your feelings...I didn't mean to...

[SunSingh]

Thanks for the comments...!!!

Does the first response :

'Yes. As long as he doesnt break rehit.'

not also apply to all 5 K's....or is special signficance paid to the kirpan? I mean if someone only wears the Kara and keeps Kesh and breaks rehit...?!?! So how is the kirpan any different? Also, in the same sentance, I'm sure a lot of us (who are not Amritdhari) break our rehit whilst wearing some of the K's?

kirpan is seen as different by many b/c it is uniquely a symbol of sikhi. other dharms wear dastaar and keep kesh as well. others also wear kara, but kirpan is unique to sikhi. still, all kakaars deserve respect, and imho someone wearing only a kara should not drink or smoke either.

[mophlrkb]

Thank you all.

I'd like to sort of summerise if I may.

It seems we have two differences in opinion.

My gut instict says that all 5 K's are EQUALLY important, and if we keep the other 2,3 or 4...then why not the Kirpan?

Or at least we if start off with the Kara, then Kesh + Kanga, then Kaacha then Kirpan...work our way up slowly.

The other side of the coin are those people who think the Kirpan is different? I respect your point of views but I also can't see how it's any different from the other 4, other then the fact that it is a 'weapon' in the modern day sense and we are afraid of carrying it if we are not ready, or we feel it may cause problems with the authority.

I imagine a lot of you, like myelf, have 3 or 4 of the K's but for those who have 4 but not the Kirpan, may I ask you why you do not carry the Kirpan if you have the other 3 or 4? I'm just curious from a psychological point of view!!!!!!!

(SOrry about the spelling, its early and I'm tired!!!)

[TarunSingh]

http://www.tapoban.org/forum/read.php?1,4526

[mandeepraina]

A non amrit dhari sikh can have any of the kakkar as long as he have uncut hair ...

infact every sikh who is willing to have khande batte di paul ... should keep himself in full rehat atleast 2 or 3 months ... so that he can get use to it !!!

yes i agree