Slander Of Dasam Bani On Spn

[Inder Singh]

We also believe that the allegations are categorically untrue. We invite sikhsangat members to identify and list specific examples of slander found on SPN, naming the member, moderator or mentor who uttered the slander

Tony ji

On July 3, 2008 in the thread Dasam granth history, Mentor SPN Giani Jarnail singh wrote

1 Letter of Bhai mani singh To mata sundri on Dasam granth compositons is fake

2) He wrote dasam granth has pornography in it ans has sex acts and tells us how to drink, take bhang etc

Now dasam garnth is an accepted scripture among sikhs. how can an aged man acting as mentor of SPN is allowed to make such ridiculous statements. I responded to him by giving refrences that what he writes is false assumption and has no historical backing.

In the same thread one Pk70 also castigates dasam granth sahib.

THis is just tip of iceberg. I will post more. i have posted what i have seen there. It will all be proved to you.

[Inder Singh]

Tony aka Dass ji

in the same thread Aman singh owner of SPN reinforces view of Jarnail singh by citing this from somewhere and no source is given. THis is a very clever trick to back giani ji.

Post of aman is given below

By Aman singh of SPN

1. Not all that is contained in Dasam Granth is Gurbaani, but there is authentic Baani like Jaap Sahib etc.

2. Dasam Granth was not compiled by the Guru's, but it was supposedly done by Bhai Mani Singh much later - as pointed out by Kesar Singh Chibber. However kesar Singh also writes that a 'Sikh' cursed Bhai Sahib, that his 'band band' would be cut, yet he would remain steadfast in his sikhi.

This seems to be a crude attempt to undermine the sikhi of a great Sikh like Bhai Mani Singh. Please analyse, this story. See how the story attempts to say that the bemisaal shahdat of Bhai Mani Singh was due to a 'curse' by a 'Sikh', not because he was a great Sikh.

Further there is neither a concept of Boon or curse in sikhi. All powers are in the hand of almighty not with anyone. Further a true Sikh would never curse, Bhai Sahib, who himself being a tru sikhi would never do any unsikhi or manmati acticity.

Kesar Singh Chiber also writes that he is writing the accounts on hearsay... something which poses a question mark on the authenticity of his accounts.

He wrote his Bansavalinama when he was 72 years old !!!

3. Even if we assume for a moment that Bachittar Natak and CharitroPakhyan are Gurbaani, we cannot accord them the same status as Guru Granth Sahib, that is the status of our Guru. If we were to do that, tommorrow, somone may question why we canot have Prakash of Bhai Gurdas Baani, for that is Panth Pravnit.

4. The fact, dear Veers is to sit down, think cooly and arrive at a conclusion for the benefit of Sikhs all over. I wonder what stops the SGPC from having a debate within the 2 factions to resolve the issue.

The above is a typical kala afghana sect writing.Yet you say you are being wrongly quoted.

[Inder Singh]

Tony ji

On Jan 17,2008 dasam granth and its history thread

Another member Bhagat singh writes Dasam granth bas piece of tarsh

The post parts are given below

There are parts of Dasam Granth that can be made into an adult video. The language used is very common, so when you read it, it sounds fine if you dont understand BUT if you understand it, you can't help but have a laugh at that piece of trash and wonder why people say Guru Gobind Singh would write such a thing!\

The in the same thread Bhagat singh writes

I don't know why... maybe...its because it's got porn in it! -----

dasam granth cannot be written by Guru Gobind Singh JI. Stop calling him the writer of this nonsensical piece of trash.

Khanda and Kirpan were present before Guru Gobind Singh.

Dont push it, now you will say Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Chandi! NONSENSE!----

10th Master and Amrit have nothing to do with that trash! Do YOU know anything about the concept of Khalsa??

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So please stop making false claims. Read what is written above.

[Inder Singh]

tHis is deeleted because of duplication

[Inder Singh]

Tony ji

See how international is discarding Dasam granth in the same thread.

Quote: Originally Posted by International Akaali

bani hai guru guru hai bani vich bani Amrit sarai.

You have admitted that dasam granth is not guru and then how can you say that jaap sahib tav parsaad swaiye is gurbani. It is literature equvilent to Zafarnama. Please contemplate the shabad written above.

The only word which is contained of the guru is Guru Granth Sahib ji. Jaap sahib, swaiye, chaupai do not have the stamp of guru on it. The word of the guru is only in Guru Granth Sahib ji. That is who you call guru now and forever will.

[Inder Singh]

We also believe that the allegations are categorically untrue

Tony ji

In my opinion enough evidence has been submitted where it is shown that obscene language is used for dasam granth sahib by your mentor and members. This belies your stand that charges are false.

Any opinion on this.

[Inder Singh]

We also believe that the allegations are categorically untrue

Toni ji

Please give your opinion since evidence has been furnished, It is obvious that

slander and name calling in dirty langauge for dasam granth was going on.

Since you are aware of this,may we know how you will stop this. Once you

do that as Aman singh had warned one of posters, i have nothing to write

on SPN. I have no personal issue with them.

[lodi_my_dodi]

I am begininng to feel that the whole "discussion" is focusing more on which Bani's are part of Gur Dasam Darbar and its authenticity rather than the initial issue of spn allowing the Bani to be slandered.

Can the MODS not direct the discussion to strictly relate to the topic title and not divert into a discussion on Gur Dasam Darbar. Provided this rule still stands Dasam Granth Bani: SikhSangat.com holds a Pro Dasam Granth stand. We believe that the Dasam Granth Sahib in its current form is the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. No provocative, insulting or derogatory language will be tolerated against Dasam Granth Sahib. Any topic or post questioning the authority and authenticity of the Dasam Granth will not be allowed. Not following the rule will result in complete ban without an issuance of warning.

[1kAuR1]

I was wondering when someone was going to point that out ^^^^^

Can the MODS please make sure that this discussion focuses on spn slandering Gur Dasam Darbar rather than the Bani itself.

[Inder Singh]

I am begininng to feel that the whole "discussion" is focusing more on which Bani's are part of Gur Dasam Darbar and its authenticity rather than the initial issue of spn allowing the Bani to be slandered.

Can the MODS not direct the discussion to strictly relate to the topic title and not divert into a discussion on Gur Dasam Darbar. Provided this rule still stands Dasam Granth Bani: SikhSangat.com holds a Pro Dasam Granth stand. We believe that the Dasam Granth Sahib in its current form is the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. No provocative, insulting or derogatory language will be tolerated against Dasam Granth Sahib. Any topic or post questioning the authority and authenticity of the Dasam Granth will not be allowed. Not following the rule will result in complete ban without an issuance of warning.

Bhai sahib ji

Posts 221 to 228 are reproduction from SPN . The name of posters are brought to the attenton of gentleman who was saying that nobody uses vulgar language for Dasam granth.

I was wondering when someone was going to point that out ^^^^^

Can the MODS please make sure that this discussion focuses on spn slandering Gur Dasam Darbar rather than the Bani itself.

Please elaborate your post so that all know where violation has taken place.

Thanks for that.