Ravidass's And Guru Ji

[BA51NGH]

WJKK WKJF

Last week i was invited to a emmergancy meeting between the ravidass commities and the Gurdware. Although i was unable to attend due to other commitments i was told of what happened at the meeting. The meeting was held due to rumors that the eravidass community wanted to seperate the Bagat ravidass bani from the Guru Granth sahib and place the bagats bani with idols at their Bawans.

Now the majority of Ravidass Bavans/Gurdware commitees attended however the two that did not were Bedford and Wolverhampton. The Ravidass commities explained that they had no plans to seperate the bani and would not do so however the two commites that did not turn up opposse this unity and say they will seperate the bani and place within the bavan and they will call the Guru the man who was involved in the Austria incident.

Now some of you may think so what let them but you have realise thee is someone/thing big pulling strings etc at the back of this.

1. Those of you went to the march may have heard the peach from the ravidass community leader saying that they did not oppose the kirpan and the letter and petition for the ban was notyhing to do with the community although their name had been put on it.

2. the riots which happened after the Austria insident could have been controlled but were left tyo fuel out . Why

Please think about the effects this will have on sikhs as a whole ... we dont need division. what will these people put down on the forms are they sikhs or hindus well the hindu barmin community dont see them as hindus so the majority of them put down sikhs this then causes division and confusion . even now people are confused the Austria incidents were labeled as Sikh Gurus !!!!!. We dont need this. I Know of a few things happening but what else can we do ?

Bhul chuk Maf

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[chatanga]

are you sure about wolves sabha being a part of this? can anyone from sejly st gurdwara confirm this?

[lodi_my_dodi]

The only important thing is that they keep full and upmost satkaar for Maharaj! Everything else will fall into place itself.

[citizen_soulja]

The organisation of this group is subtle yet surprisingly coherent. It is interesting to note the that all the banners and placards seem to be created by the same people(same fonts, same boards), the use of language is very careful, I only saw the word Sikh once, it was on a banner that said something...something...control freak Sikhs (ironically out of the 8-10 Dastar Singhs there, one of them was standing next to this banner)

it is quite clear from the sentiments of the speakers that they consider themselves not to be Sikhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj but rather Ravidassass followers of Bhagat Ravidass and other ''living Gurus''.

They never used the word Kirpan but they called for: ''a ban on all killing weapons'' and had a picture of a Kirpan (with a Khanda on the scabbard), a sub machine gun, and some kitchen knives. I am sure the organisers are intelligent enough to notice:

1) the sale, purchase and storing of firearms in the UK is very tightly regulated, currently there are only 3 ways to obtain firearms in the UK - if you are a farmer or licensed pest control, a sports shooter (member of gun club) or serious collector (very restricted). Even then legal owners are limited exclusively to non automatic shot guns, pistols and single shot rifles.

2) The Kirpan is allowed to be worn in the UK under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139) and Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (section 3 and 4) allow for a Sikh to carry a Kirpan for religious reasons (other reasons allowed by the Act are cultural or work related reasons). The Criminal Justice Act 1988 safeguards the rights of Sikhs to carry the Kirpan as it is deemed a necessary part of their religion.

3) It is illegal in the UK to sell knives to under 18's, however no amount of legislation can ban the sale of kitchen knives.

4) If someone really wanted to kill you, they can do so with their hands or with any heavy/blunt/sharp object or push you off a roof hit you with a car, in fact the choices are only limited by our imagination.

More over the organisers of this event knew that one day of protest is not likely to change anything. So what did they achieve???

!) showed (in the eyes of the press) just after hyde park 84 Remembrance March dis-unity among Sikhs, we are all very aware of how this whole charade has played out in the media from the killing of rama nand to the Ravidassass march it has been portrayed as a Sikh thing, when it is not.

!) Showed the support they have of the bhaman government, they were allowed to hand in a petition at the Indian embassy, a place where Sikhs are not allowed (84 marches)

!) Boosted support among their Ravidassass community, thus further separating themselves from Sikhi

!) Further exposed themselves to the UK administration as a distinctly separate body (I think this was the first ever Ravidassass march, but not sure).

All of this Ravidassass, Namdhari, Nirankari, Astosh, 3HO, Noormalia, baba/dera culture ect is all part of a bigger and deeper plot...

the plan of the bhamans, no messing around, is to totally control the leadership of Sikhs either directly or via intermediates now that may seem farfetched but if we analyse the current situation both inside and outside of India it is quite evident that at the very least our higher echelons of leadership are being influenced by outside sources, namely the G.O.I.

Inside India the main focus is on instilling and supporting leaders favourable to the bhaman elite, propaganda and subtle discrimination and propagation of practices that are anti Sikh. That’s why Punjab has the highest number of drug users per capita the highest number of liquor stores, mobile sex testing vans that also provide subsidised abortions (killing baby girls). Then there is the continued and heavy use of harmful fertilizers that cause cancer and other health problems not to mention the fact that they damage the soil. Now if you combine this all together what do we have? A Punjab that is drugged and liquored up a higher ratio of boys to girls bad water and sanitation poisonous soil the dissemination of the Sikh way of life and teachings in a bhaman approved route.

Outside India G.O.I intelligence agencies try to disrupt and influence Gurdwara elections, so that they can either have a favourable leader in place (think sohi in Southall, who for 14years didn’t even allow the Sangat to discuss Shaheeds let alone send a coach to the marches) or make us look bad by making us fight amongst ourselves. Then there’s the whole bollywood crap turning Singhs into jokes in all their movies - further propaganda.

These are serious issues that unless directly addressed and confronted threaten to divide us. We have to as Sikhs have ZERO tolerance for any attack on our way of life, it is our duty. But that doesn’t necessarily mean killing or violence, ZERO tolerance is more about challenging and questioning being intellectually superior to these lost sheep it means correcting any distortion, misinformation or misrepresentation of the facts on the spot!!

We are lucky that our forefathers and young soormeh cemented our reputation as great warriors, let us uphold that reputation with our words and deeds, and when the time comes for direct military action they know we won’t back down, we never have and never will.

[Azaad]

WJKK WKJF

Last week i was invited to a emmergancy meeting between the ravidass commities and the Gurdware. Although i was unable to attend due to other commitments i was told of what happened at the meeting. The meeting was held due to rumors that the eravidass community wanted to seperate the Bagat ravidass bani from the Guru Granth sahib and place the bagats bani with idols at their Bawans.

Now the majority of Ravidass Bavans/Gurdware commitees attended however the two that did not were Bedford and Wolverhampton. The Ravidass commities explained that they had no plans to seperate the bani and would not do so however the two commites that did not turn up opposse this unity and say they will seperate the bani and place within the bavan and they will call the Guru the man who was involved in the Austria incident.

Now some of you may think so what let them but you have realise thee is someone/thing big pulling strings etc at the back of this.

1. Those of you went to the march may have heard the peach from the ravidass community leader saying that they did not oppose the kirpan and the letter and petition for the ban was notyhing to do with the community although their name had been put on it.

2. the riots which happened after the Austria insident could have been controlled but were left tyo fuel out . Why

Please think about the effects this will have on sikhs as a whole ... we dont need division. what will these people put down on the forms are they sikhs or hindus well the hindu barmin community dont see them as hindus so the majority of them put down sikhs this then causes division and confusion . even now people are confused the Austria incidents were labeled as Sikh Gurus !!!!!. We dont need this. I Know of a few things happening but what else can we do ?

Bhul chuk Maf

wjkk

wjkf

where did this meeting take place??