A Huge Slap, And I Need Source Because I Loved It

[Mehtab Singh]

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad

Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be

--Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj

First off, I LOVE this bachan of Maharaj, but you know how some of our new age educated yet bahman-minded Punjabis are. So I am looking for the exact source of this if someone has it. This wasn't answered on another thread one year ago, so I am asking again.

Secondly, this bachan makes it clear how BADLY Maharaj wanted this cancer out of our system. He wanted to uproot it from the very foundation itself, and so He banned even asking a fellow Sikh about his/her caste, forget about anything else. If you don't know their caste, you won't judge them a particular way. I guess this was Dasmesh Pita ji's way of uniting us. But Punjabis tried to be clever. They started using their "surnames" other than Singh/Kaur so that their caste was reflected anyways, whether they were asked or not. Others were even more clever and would ask the last name instead of asking caste, thereby pretending to stick to Maharaj's bachan and also sticking to the caste cancer.

To the casteists: Do what you can, do what you may, you are not smarter than Kalgidhar Shahenshah! Feel free to run after castes, and then feel free to make a fool of yourself by claiming to still be a Sikh! You know how you call a wrong number and ask for the wrong person, thats what is happening with you.

Ok back to my original question, I am looking for the source of this bachan by Maharaj, not for myself as I have full faith in SatGuru ji, but to help those are still lost in the illusion that Sikhi is "cool" with castes. Sorry its not.

[Mehtab Singh]

2 weeks and no replies, yet we need a one liner to create 7 pages of hateful posts.

Great job :rolleyes:

And I know why there are no replies. Lets not even go there

[Bijla Singh]

I would provide the info but I have all my books packed at the moment. It is from one of the rehatnamas and Padam's book will give you the answer.

[humkire]

2 weeks and no replies, yet we need a one liner to create 7 pages of hateful posts.

Great job :rolleyes:

And I know why there are no replies. Lets not even go there

sori veerjee Mehtab Singh jee only came across your post this morning if not i would have commented on it earlier.and i agree with you of course about no jaat paat in Sikhism. As to the source of your tuuk ill see if i can locate it. There are however lots tukka on that in SGGS too as u know .

My 1st lesson on jaat paat came wen i was about 7 or 8. i had written to the sikh missionary society in singapore to send me some pamplets and tracts on Sikhism but in my letter, after singh i put my family surname. The gursikh who sent me the parcel of books and tracts wrote a covering letter telling me there is no jaat paat in Sikhism and told me never ever to use my family surname after the word singh and i adhered to that ever since . Of course as i became amritdharee later and learnt Gurbani i realised why .

I am so excited that you share Sikhi with others . Just ask my help if you need me send you any books ,tapes etc to share with others as i can help you in that .

[Mehtab Singh]

Thanks Bijla Singh veer, I will wait for your input.

Thanks veer "humkire". I appreciate your noble gesture. I strongly believe that this cancer of "caste" which has crept in from Hinduism will have to be uprooted in order to achieve Khalsa Raj. I honestly don't see any logic/point/reason behind it, and its beyond retarded to be existing in a community which was born to end manmade differences. We can't blame people who are not into Sikhi for following it, but what kills is when those (especially elders) who claim to be "committed" are no different.

[Mehtab Singh]

I am still waiting :rolleyes:

[Jag_Singh]

VAH singha. so much raas. BUT I don't see any question marks? so where's the question jeeo

[Mehtab Singh]

The question is "Where is the source of this Rehitnaama?"

[Jag_Singh]

Bhaji I do not know where the source of this rehitnaama is, but jee I can tell you something else. Only if your willing to listen though jee. If you really want to find the answer to your question, go ask guru jee at the gurudwara. But at the same time, you need to have that raas, cus if you don't......let's not go there jee :D. ok so lets just stick to your first question jee, yeah. my take on it will be to go to the gurudwara and make a plee. :D

stay in chardikala singha

[Mehtab Singh]

jwxhu joiq n pUChu jwqI AwgY jwiq n hy ]1] rhwau ]

jaanahu joth n pooshhahu jaathee aagai jaath n hae ||1|| rehaao ||

Recognize the Lord's Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. ||1||Pause||

rivdwsu cmwru ausqiq kry hir kIriq inmK iek gwie ]

ravidhaas chamaar ousathath karae har keerath nimakh eik gaae ||

Ravi Daas, the leather-worker, praised the Lord, and sang the Kirtan of His Praises each and every instant.

piqq jwiq auqmu BieAw cwir vrn pey pig Awie ]2]

pathith jaath outham bhaeiaa chaar varan peae pag aae ||2||

Although he was of low social status, he was exalted and elevated, and people of all four castes came and bowed at his feet. ||2||

bRhmn bYs sUd Aru K´qRI fom cMfwr mlyC mn soie ]

brehaman bais soodh ar khyathree ddom cha(n)ddaar malaeshh man soe ||

Whether he is a Brahmin, a Vaishya, a Soodra, or a Kh'shaatriya; whether he is a poet, an outcaste, or a filthy-minded person,

hoie punIq BgvMq Bjn qy Awpu qwir qwry kul doie ]1]

hoe puneeth bhagava(n)th bhajan thae aap thaar thaarae kul dhoe ||1||

he becomes pure, by meditating on the Lord God. He saves himself, and the families of both his parents. ||1||

khw krau jwqI kh krau pwqI ]

kehaa karo jaathee keh karo paathee ||

What do I have to do with social status? What do I have to with ancestry?

rwm ko nwmu jpau idn rwqI ]1] rhwau ]

raam ko naam japo dhin raathee ||1|| rehaao ||

I meditate on the Name of the Lord, day and night. ||1||Pause||

hir nwmu hmwrI sMgiq Aiq ipAwrI hir nwmu kulu hir nwmu prvwrw ]

har naam hamaaree sa(n)gath ath piaaree har naam kul har naam paravaaraa ||

The Lord's Name is my most beloved society, the Lord's Name is my ancestry, and the Lord's Name is my family.

hir BieE KWfu ryqu mih ibKirE hsqMØI cuinE n jweI ]

har bhaeiou khaa(n)dd raeth mehi bikhariou hasatha(n)ee chuniou n jaaee ||

The Lord is like sugar, spilled onto the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.

kih kmIr kul jwiq pWiq qij cItI hoie cuin KweI ]2]3]12]

kehi kameer kul jaath paa(n)th thaj cheettee hoe chun khaaee ||2||3||12||

Says Kabeer, give up your ancestry, social status and honor; be like the tiny ant - pick up and eat the sugar. ||2||3||12||

Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Nat Naaraayan on Ang 979

nt mhlw 5 ]

natt mehalaa 5 ||

Nat, Fifth Mehla:

Apnw jnu Awpih Awip auDwirE ]

apanaa jan aapehi aap oudhhaariou ||

He Himself saves His humble servant.

AwT phr jn kY sMig bisE mn qy nwih ibswirE ]1] rhwau ]

aat(h) pehar jan kai sa(n)g basiou man thae naahi bisaariou ||1|| rehaao ||

Twenty-four hours a day, He dwells with His humble servant; He never forgets him from His Mind. ||1||Pause||

brnu ichnu nwhI ikCu pyiKE dws kw kulu n ibcwirE ]

baran chihan naahee kishh paekhiou dhaas kaa kul n bichaariou ||

The Lord does not look at his color or form; He does not consider the ancestry of His slave.

kir ikrpw nwmu hir dIE shij suBwie svwirE ]1]

kar kirapaa naam har dheeou sehaj subhaae savaariou ||1||

Granting His Grace, the Lord blesses him with His Name, and embellishes him with intuitive ease. ||1||

mhw ibKmu Agin kw swgru iqs qy pwir auqwirE ]

mehaa bikham agan kaa saagar this thae paar outhaariou ||

The ocean of fire is treacherous and difficult, but he is carried across.

pyiK pyiK nwnk ibgswno punh punh bilhwirE ]2]3]4]

paekh paekh naanak bigasaano puneh puneh balihaariou ||2||3||4||

Seeing, seeing Him, Nanak blossoms forth, over and over again, a sacrifice to Him. ||2||3||4||

gurmuiK jwiq piq sBu Awpy ]

guramukh jaath path sabh aapae ||

To the Gurmukh, the Lord Himself is social class, status and all honor.

nwnk gurmuiK nwmu iDAwey nwmy nwim smwvixAw ]8]12]13]

naanak guramukh naam dhhiaaeae naamae naam samaavaniaa ||8||12||13||

O Nanak, the Gurmukhs meditate on the Naam; through the Naam, they merge in the Naam. ||8||12||13||

hir Bgqw kI jwiq piq hY Bgq hir kY nwim smwxy rwm ]

har bhagathaa kee jaath path hai bhagath har kai naam samaanae raam ||

The Lord is the social class and honor of His devotees; the Lord's devotees merge in the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

kbIr ko Twkuru And ibnodI jwiq n kwhU kI mwnI ]2]9]

kabeer ko t(h)aakur anadh binodhee jaath n kaahoo kee maanee ||2||9||

Kabeer's Lord and Master is joyous and blissful; He does not care about anyone's social class. ||2||9||

Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Bhairao on Ang 1127

rwgu BYrau mhlw 3 caupdy Gru 1

raag bhairo mehalaa 3 choupadhae ghar 1

Raag Bhairao, Third Mehla, ChauPaday, First House:

<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

jwiq kw grbu n krIAhu koeI ]

jaath kaa garab n kareeahu koee ||

No one should be proud of his social class and status.

bRhmu ibMdy so bRwhmxu hoeI ]1]

breham bi(n)dhae so braahaman hoee ||1||

He alone is a Brahmin, who knows God. ||1||

jwiq kw grbu n kir mUrK gvwrw ]

jaath kaa garab n kar moorakh gavaaraa ||

Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool!

iesu grb qy clih bhuqu ivkwrw ]1] rhwau ]

eis garab thae chalehi bahuth vikaaraa ||1|| rehaao ||

So much sin and corruption comes from this pride. ||1||Pause||

cwry vrn AwKY sBu koeI ]

chaarae varan aakhai sabh koee ||

Everyone says that there are four castes, four social classes.

bRhmu ibMd qy sB Epiq hoeI ]2]

breham bi(n)dh thae sabh oupath hoee ||2||

They all emanate from the drop of God's Seed. ||2||

mwtI eyk sgl sMswrw ]

maattee eaek sagal sa(n)saaraa ||

The entire universe is made of the same clay.

bhu ibiD BWfy GVY kum@wrw ]3]

bahu bidhh bhaa(n)ddae gharrai kumhaaraa ||3||

The Potter has shaped it into all sorts of vessels. ||3||

pMc qqu imil dyhI kw Awkwrw ]

pa(n)ch thath mil dhaehee kaa aakaaraa ||

The five elements join together, to make up the form of the human body.

Git viD ko krY bIcwrw ]4]

ghatt vadhh ko karai beechaaraa ||4||

Who can say which is less, and which is more? ||4||

khqu nwnk iehu jIau krm bMDu hoeI ]

kehath naanak eihu jeeo karam ba(n)dhh hoee ||

Says Nanak, this soul is bound by its actions.

ibnu siqgur Byty mukiq n hoeI ]5]1]

bin sathigur bhaettae mukath n hoee ||5||1||

Without meeting the True Guru, it is not liberated. ||5||1||

Abrn brn isau mn hI pRIiq ]

abaran baran sio man hee preeth ||

Those who believe in high and low social classes,

haumY gwvin gwvih gIq ]

houmai gaavan gaavehi geeth ||

only sing songs and chants of egotism.

jwiq jnmu nh pUCIAY sc Gru lyhu bqwie ]

jaath janam neh pooshheeai sach ghar laehu bathaae ||

God does not ask about social class or birth; you must find your true home.

sw jwiq sw piq hY jyhy krm kmwie ]

saa jaath saa path hai jaehae karam kamaae ||

That is your social class and that is your status - the karma of what you have done.

jnm mrn duKu kwtIAY nwnk CUtis nwie ]4]10]

janam maran dhukh kaatteeai naanak shhoottas naae ||4||10||

The pains of death and rebirth are eradicated; O Nanak, salvation is in the Lord's Name. ||4||10||