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Difference Between Guru Avataar And Vishnu Avataar


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AYsI iesqRI iek rwim aupweI ]

aisee eisathree eik raam oupaaee ||

Such is Maya, the woman, which the One Lord has created.

auin sBu jgu KwieAw hm guir rwKy myry BweI ] rhwau ]

oun sabh jag khaaeiaa ham gur raakhae maerae bhaaee || rehaao ||

She is devouring the whole world, but the Guru has saved me, O my Siblings of Destiny. ||Pause||

pwie TgaulI sBu jgu joihAw ]

paae t(h)agoulee sabh jag johiaa ||

Administering her poisons, she has overcome the whole world.

bRhmw ibsnu mhwdyau moihAw ]

brehamaa bisan mehaadhaeo mohiaa ||

She has bewitched Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

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srpnI qy aUpir nhI blIAw ]

sarapanee thae oopar nehee baleeaa ||

No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya,

ijin bRhmw ibsnu mhwdyau ClIAw ]1]

jin brehamaa bisan mehaadhaeo shhaleeaa ||1||

who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ||1||

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gUjrI mhlw 5 ]

goojaree mehalaa 5 ||

Goojaree, Fifth Mehla:

muin jogI swsqRig khwvq sB kIn@y bis ApnhI ]

mun jogee saasathrag kehaavath sabh keenhae bas apanehee ||

They call themselves silent sages, Yogis and scholars of the Shaastras, but Maya has has them all under her control.

qIin dyv Aru koiV qyqIsw iqn kI hYriq kCu n rhI ]1]

theen dhaev ar korr thaetheesaa thin kee hairath kashh n rehee ||1||

The three gods, and the 330,000,000 demi-gods, were astonished. ||1||

blvMiq ibAwip rhI sB mhI ]

balava(n)th biaap rehee sabh mehee ||

The power of Maya is pervading everywhere.

Avru n jwnis koaU mrmw gur ikrpw qy lhI ]1] rhwau ]

avar n jaanas kooo maramaa gur kirapaa thae lehee ||1|| rehaao ||

Her secret is known only by Guru's Grace - no one else knows it. ||1||Pause||

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Many people (including many sikhs) try to compare Guru Nanak Dev Jee with Ram and Krishan. But this comparison is actually a nindiya of Guru Sahib. Ram and Krishan were avataars of Vishnu and Vishnu is DECEIVED BY MAYA.

Guru on the other hand is All-powerful and can easily defeat Maya and liberate His followers. Above are the Gurbani Pankitis highlighting this.

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Yeh all incarnations of Vishnu are in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji describes all of Vishnus past and future incarnations, and Gurus obv. aren't any of them.

The next one to come will be Kalki and even the temple from which Kalki will emerge is clearly hinted.

He's coming on a white horse an is going to kick some serious a*s! Can't wait!

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The next one to come will be Kalki and even the temple from which Kalki will emerge is clearly hinted.

MULMANTRA: THE FUNDAMENTAL CREED OF SIKHISM

The best definition that any Sikh can give regarding the concept of God in Sikhism is to quote the Mulmantra – the fundamental creed of Sikhism, which occurs at the beginning of Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

It is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji, the first verse:

"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."

Sikhism is a monotheistic Religion

Sikhism enjoins its followers to practise strict monotheism. It believes in only One Supreme God who is, in the unmanifest form, called Ik Oankaar.

In the manifest form He is called Oankaar and has several attributes such as:

Kartar – The Creator

Akal – The Eternal

Satnaam – The Holy Name

Sahib – The Lord

Parvardigar – The Cherisher

Rahim – The Merciful

Karim – The Benevolent

He is also called Wahe Guru – the One true God.

Besides Sikhism being strictly monotheistic, it also does not believe in Avataravada – the doctrine of incarnation. Almighty God does not incarnate Himself in what is known as Avatara. Sikhism is also strongly against idol worship.

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MULMANTRA: THE FUNDAMENTAL CREED OF SIKHISM

The best definition that any Sikh can give regarding the concept of God in Sikhism is to quote the Mulmantra – the fundamental creed of Sikhism, which occurs at the beginning of Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

It is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji, the first verse:

"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."

Sikhism is a monotheistic Religion

Sikhism enjoins its followers to practise strict monotheism. It believes in only One Supreme God who is, in the unmanifest form, called Ik Oankaar.

In the manifest form He is called Oankaar and has several attributes such as:

Kartar – The Creator

Akal – The Eternal

Satnaam – The Holy Name

Sahib – The Lord

Parvardigar – The Cherisher

Rahim – The Merciful

Karim – The Benevolent

He is also called Wahe Guru – the One true God.

Besides Sikhism being strictly monotheistic, it also does not believe in Avataravada – the doctrine of incarnation. Almighty God does not incarnate Himself in what is known as Avatara. Sikhism is also strongly against idol worship.

I never called vishnu god, I said he has and will incarnate 24 times on earth. I didn't say I'd worship kalki avtar either, I worship only my gurus, god and true saints and that will never change.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji stated that Kalki avtar will become corrupt and then Mir Medhi will come and he will also become corrupted and god will kill him off by making a bug crawl in his ear.

Why would I ever want to worhip something that is not perfect? Only god is perfect therefore noone should worship any other than him and those that have his qualities and are pat of him are therefore also perfect.

Yes It will be good and righteous when kalki avtar comes and kills the evil people in this world and to that end I really can't wait. I'm sorry if that sounds so bad to anyone. But he isn't someone I would worship for the reasons outlined above.

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srpnI qy aUpir nhI blIAw ]

sarapanee thae oopar nehee baleeaa ||

No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya,

ijin bRhmw ibsnu mhwdyau ClIAw ]1]

jin brehamaa bisan mehaadhaeo shhaleeaa ||1||

who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ||1||

Since, Vishnu, Brahma and Shiv are deceived by Maya, they are unable to escape the JAMDOOTS.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਮਹੇਸਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਸਚੀਪਿਤ ਅੰਤ ਫਸੇ ਜਮ ਫਾਸਿ ਪਰੈਂਗੇ ॥

The above tukk is from tav prasad svaiye and is a very PRECIOUS TUKK.

The word JAMM is used which means jammdoots.

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My firend what do you do when you get tuks in bani praiseing the Avtars like in the Bhatts Savaiyas and the Sahansar nama?

I will expand ont he others when i get a chance

There is nuthing wrong in prasing avataars.

Krishna was a beautiful child created by Vaheguru.

Krishna killed evil kans.

Ram killed Ravana.

These avatars were from Giyan Khand and as a result had more powers than common people BUT these avataars were unable to defeat Maya. They made mistakes.They were not abhull. Only Guru Sahib is abhull.

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