Vajab Ul Arz

[SevadaarEKhalsa]

This is the Vajab Ul Arz section from Sikhan Di Bhagat Mala, an 1700s Granth attributed to Bhai Mani Singh. This section deals with the Rehat for Sahejdhari Sikhs.

Can somebody translate these two pages? Prabhjot veerji?

Would be much appreciated.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Gurfateh Veerji,

The text does appear under Bhai Mani Singh Ji's composition but its not written by Bhai Mani Singh Ji himself, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji certainly never gave such Hukams to 'Sehajdharis'. Bhai Kahn Singh Ji Nabha confirm this also, see this text's entry in Mahan Kosh.

Read the very first line: It says Sehajdharis can read Anand, and after getting Ardas done get Brahmins to perform rest of the marriage rites as per vedic rituals without any hesitation. :s

personally dont think there is any point in translating/discussing such dubious piece of text jeo..

[Singh559]

Gurfateh Veerji,

The text does appear under Bhai Mani Singh Ji's composition but its not written by Bhai Mani Singh Ji himself, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji certainly never gave such Hukams to 'Sehajdharis'. Bhai Kahn Singh Ji Nabha confirm this also, see this text's entry in Mahan Kosh.

Read the very first line: It says Sehajdharis can read Anand, and after getting Ardas done get Brahmins to perform rest of the marriage rites as per vedic rituals without any hesitation. :s

personally dont think there is any point in translating/discussing such dubious piece of text jeo..

Thanks for clarification veerji, do you know how this text got inserted to being Bhai Mani Singh Ji's writing by bahmans or did Bhai Khan Singh Nabha elaborate on it?

[sikha]

It has been translated in Mcleods "Sikhs of the Khalsa"...

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Thanks for clarification veerji, do you know how this text got inserted to being Bhai Mani Singh Ji's writing by bahmans or did Bhai Khan Singh Nabha elaborate on it?

Gurfateh Veerji,

Bhai Sahib havent elaborated much, just that the text is not by Bhai Mani Singh and these are not Guru Sahibs Hukams. He says he has presented the above text in Mahan Kosh just for reference purposes really. I am not a historian, but even a fool like me can see such Hukams cannot be that of Guru Sahib.. "If you are Sehajdhari Sikh, its good if you can keep your kes like Keshdharis, but if not its is ok to get them trimmed/leveled..." o_0

:rolleyes2:

PS: think Bhai Bijla Singh or Bhai Kamalpreet Singh should be able to provide their views on this topic from a more academic viewpoint

[Singh559]

Gurfateh Veerji,

Bhai Sahib havent elaborated much, just that the text is not by Bhai Mani Singh and these are not Guru Sahibs Hukams. He says he has presented the above text in Mahan Kosh just for reference purposes really. I am not a historian, but even a fool like me can see such Hukams cannot be that of Guru Sahib.. "If you are Sehajdhari Sikh, its good if you can keep your kes like Keshdharis, but if not its is ok to get them trimmed/leveled..." o_0

:rolleyes2:

Thanks

[sikha]

If you wait til tuesday i might be able to scan the pages from Mcleod for you.

[SevadaarEKhalsa]

Yes Prabhjot veerji, I know neither Sikhan Di Bhagat Mala (Bhagat Ratnavli) nor Gyan Ratnavli are by Bhai Mani Singh. Yet we can't deny that they were written between 1720s and 1760s, so '''might''' contain any useful info.

One small benti, do not mind Prabhjot veerji. You have higher avastha than me, I am just a moorakh, but do not blindly believe everything in Mahan Kosh either. Bhai Kahan Singh did an amazing seva but he did say that Sri Sarbloh Granth was not the rachnaa of Dasam Pita.

Please scan the translation Sikha veer.

[dalsingh101]

Here is McLeod's translation:

sehajdhari rehat vajib u l araz.pdf

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

Yes Prabhjot veerji, I know neither Sikhan Di Bhagat Mala (Bhagat Ratnavli) nor Gyan Ratnavli are by Bhai Mani Singh. Yet we can't deny that they were written between 1720s and 1760s, so '''might''' contain any useful info.

One small benti, do not mind Prabhjot veerji. You have higher avastha than me, I am just a moorakh, but do not blindly believe everything in Mahan Kosh either. Bhai Kahan Singh did an amazing seva but he did say that Sri Sarbloh Granth was not the rachnaa of Dasam Pita.

Please scan the translation Sikha veer.

Thanks for the reality check Veerjeo i couldnt sleep properly last night after having made the above comments.. perhaps because they are stinking of haumai, or that i had no business commenting on something i know very little about, perhaps it is both, or something thats even darker.. in any case, i can only pray to Maharaj and Sangat to do some kirpa on this moorakh jeo otherwise this dirtbag is going to keep spreading gandh like this..

A sincere maafi in Sangats feet once again :waheguru: