confused

[Consciousness]

Taking Amrit doesn't wash away your sins. It's not a magical potion. Neither is doing pesh. If you can go pesh whenever you mess up, then that defeats the point of Amrit.

What's done is done. Learn from your mistake.

The OP is an example of someone taking Amrit before they are ready.

Gurmukho Amrit washes all sins it makes you immortal! Peevo Pahul Khande Dhaar Hoye Janam Sohila!! So what do you think amrit does? Please don't say it is only given so you follow a code of conduct - you are missing the power of amrit!

You Need to watch this please do not disrespect amrit veer jeo!!

[Sherdil]

Gurmukho Amrit washes all sins it makes you immortal! Peevo Pahul Khande Dhaar Hoye Janam Sohila!! So what do you think amrit does? Please don't say it is only given so you follow a code of conduct - you are missing the power of amrit!

You Need to watch this please do not disrespect amrit veer jeo!!

I'm not disrespecting amrit.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Japji Sahib:

bhareeai hathh pair than dhaeh ||

When the hands and the feet and the body are dirty,

paanee dhhothai outharas khaeh ||

water can wash away the dirt.

mooth paleethee kaparr hoe ||

When the clothes are soiled and stained by urine,

dhae saaboon leeai ouhu dhhoe ||

soap can wash them clean.

bhareeai math paapaa kai sa(n)g ||

But when the intellect is stained and polluted by sin,

ouhu dhhopai naavai kai ra(n)g ||

it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name

kar kar karanaa likh lai jaahu ||

actions repeated, over and over again, are engraved on the soul.

aapae beej aapae hee khaahu ||

You shall harvest what you plant.

naanak hukamee aavahu jaahu ||20||

O Nanak, by the Hukam of God's Command, we come and go in reincarnation. ||20|

Guru ji is saying that you can only remove your sin by repeatedly doing good deeds, as this will change your character. That is why we do paath everyday. In this way, the Guru's teachings become part of our thought process. We change our manmukh outlook, into a gurmukh outlook. This is how we are cleansed.

Taking amrit will not automatically cleanse your mind. You still have to put in work to change yourself.

[VanHelsingh]

One of the major reasons some young Amrithdharis commit transgressions over and over again is because they've been led to believe pesh - as well as the act of retaking amrit itself when a serious mistake has been made - will wipe the slate clean with no conscious change on their part required, be it a willing effort to alter and improve their thought processes or work on their personality deficiencies to ensure such issues which "break" their amrit don't happen again.

In my opinion this is a very dangerous precedent and devalues Amrit greatly. It - as Sherdil Ji says - reduces Amrit to something akin to a magic potion. Where does the individual who has taken Amrit enter the equation? When must he or she step forward to claim responsibility for their actions? Gianis and parchaaraks must be more responsible when making such statements.

I don't deny that Amrit is something special; it can't be explained IMO, but like many things in this kaljug age people are pushing their luck and abusing and gradually devaluing concepts and practices that should not be trifled with.

BTW I'm not knocking the OP. Life is tough. We do make poor decisions at the best of times. You've just got to keep trying hard not to fall into the same traps over and over again. Identification of the problem is the key as the OP has successfully done. The tough part is to do everything in your power to ensure such mistakes do not become second nature.

[Consciousness]

I'm not disrespecting amrit.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Japji Sahib:

bhareeai hathh pair than dhaeh ||

When the hands and the feet and the body are dirty,

paanee dhhothai outharas khaeh ||

water can wash away the dirt.

mooth paleethee kaparr hoe ||

When the clothes are soiled and stained by urine,

dhae saaboon leeai ouhu dhhoe ||

soap can wash them clean.

bhareeai math paapaa kai sa(n)g ||

But when the intellect is stained and polluted by sin,

ouhu dhhopai naavai kai ra(n)g ||

it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name

kar kar karanaa likh lai jaahu ||

actions repeated, over and over again, are engraved on the soul.

aapae beej aapae hee khaahu ||

You shall harvest what you plant.

naanak hukamee aavahu jaahu ||20||

O Nanak, by the Hukam of God's Command, we come and go in reincarnation. ||20|

Guru ji is saying that you can only remove your sin by repeatedly doing good deeds, as this will change your character. That is why we do paath everyday. In this way, the Guru's teachings become part of our thought process. We change our manmukh outlook, into a gurmukh outlook. This is how we are cleansed.

Taking amrit will not automatically cleanse your mind. You still have to put in work to change yourself.

Veer Ji Amrit and naam are the same so the cleansing in the tuk below you previously posted occurs in less than a second and this happens when naam/amrit is given by True Guru roop punj pyarea that keep ALL GURU SAHIB'S REHITS.

ouhu dhhopai naavai kai ra(n)g ||

it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name

AMimRq sbdu AMimRq hir bwxI ]

a(n)mrith sabadh a(n)mrith har baanee ||

The Shabad is Amrit; the Lord's Bani is Amrit.

a(n)mrith rasanaa bolai dhin raathee man than a(n)mrith peeaavaniaa ||3||

They chant the Ambrosial Name with their tongues day and night; their minds and bodies are satisfied by this Amrit. ||3||

thaerae bhaanae vich a(n)mrith vasai thoo bhaanaia(n)mrith peeaavaniaa ||7||

In Your Sweet Will, the Amrit is found; by Your Will, You inspire us to drink in this Amrit. ||7|

There are also other numerous e.g. that show that amrit and naam are the same. I don't want to talk about karma in this section as it will go beyond this topics aim.

Also Gurmat naam/amrit is so strong that even if taken once it will give one gurmat mukhti. It's is not an going process once amrit is taken you become immortal.

'Guru ji is saying that you can only remove your sin by repeatedly doing good deeds'd

Actually gurmat is far superior than doing good deeds we are born in the house of guru nanak. Guru Nanak has given us naam/amrit and through Guru nanak by taking amrit once or meditating on naam once we become sin free. By saying it is an ongoing process of good actions only shows that your interpretation of naam/amrit is incorrect as it limits amrit/naam. Since naam and amrit are the same please look at the tuks below:

Ayk baar jin tumai su(n)bhaaraa. Kaal phaas tay taahi oobaaraa

Jin nar naam tihaaro kahaa. Daarid dustt dokh tay rahaa. (24)

O God, he who remembered You even once, You saved him from the noose of Death. Whosoever meditates on Your Name, he overcomes his poverty, suffering and adversity. (24)

The difference between gurmat naam/amrit is that it liberates anyone instantly while your interpretation of naam is an ongoing process where you are awaiting for God to bless you with love.

Through Guru nanak gurmat naam/amrit has been given where sins are totally annihilated in a blink of an eye.

ekh chit je ek shin dehaoo kal faas ke beech na aaeyoo

By even meditating on naam/amrit once you become deathless.

The above shows what true naam/amrit is and this is the kind of amrit/naam roopi that is given by guru roop punj pyarea that makes someone stop from commiting any bajjar kurehit but clearly this didn't happen with harpreet ji so she needs to now go and obtain true amrit.

Satguru mehar karan

Daas

Consciousness

[N30S1NGH]

The way i see it - at amrit sanchar you get shabad gurmantar/mool mantar call it naam or shabad/mantar whatever you wish.. so that one can meditate on shabad gurmantar and attached their surti(intituation) with shabad to get attune to the naam amrit which is already inside each one of us - one just have to attune to it thats all..naam dhuni/dhun is already inside us and all around us..!!

Nou nidh amrit prab ka naam, dehi mehi es ka bisraam..!!

[Sherdil]

Veer Ji Amrit and naam are the same so the cleansing in the tuk below you previously posted occurs in less than a second and this happens when naam/amrit is given by True Guru roop punj pyarea that keep ALL GURU SAHIB'S REHITS.

ouhu dhhopai naavai kai ra(n)g ||

it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name

AMimRq sbdu AMimRq hir bwxI ]

a(n)mrith sabadh a(n)mrith har baanee ||

The Shabad is Amrit; the Lord's Bani is Amrit.

What you are quoting (in black) was written by Guru Amardas ji. The Amrit ceremony you are thinking of was started by Guru Gobind Singh ji, who came way after Guru Amardas ji. Therefore, Guru ji is not referring to the Amrit ceremony.

Guru ji is referring to the sanskrit word Amrit. Hindu legend says that the deities drank a nectar, which gave them immortality. This nectar was called Amrit.

Thus, Guru ji is saying that the shabad is our Amrit, the lord's bani is our Amrit. By contemplating it, we can achieve immortality.

'Guru ji is saying that you can only remove your sin by repeatedly doing good deeds'd

Actually gurmat is far superior than doing good deeds we are born in the house of guru nanak. Guru Nanak has given us naam/amrit and through Guru nanak by taking amrit once or meditating on naam once we become sin free. By saying it is an ongoing process of good actions only shows that your interpretation of naam/amrit is incorrect as it limits amrit/naam. Since naam and amrit are the same please look at the tuks below:

Ayk baar jin tumai su(n)bhaaraa. Kaal phaas tay taahi oobaaraa

Jin nar naam tihaaro kahaa. Daarid dustt dokh tay rahaa. (24)

O God, he who remembered You even once, You saved him from the noose of Death. Whosoever meditates on Your Name, he overcomes his poverty, suffering and adversity. (24)

The difference between gurmat naam/amrit is that it liberates anyone instantly while your interpretation of naam is an ongoing process where you are awaiting for God to bless you with love.

Through Guru nanak gurmat naam/amrit has been given where sins are totally annihilated in a blink of an eye.

ekh chit je ek shin dehaoo kal faas ke beech na aaeyoo

By even meditating on naam/amrit once you become deathless.

The above shows what true naam/amrit is and this is the kind of amrit/naam roopi that is given by guru roop punj pyarea that makes someone stop from commiting any bajjar kurehit but clearly this didn't happen with harpreet ji so she needs to now go and obtain true amrit.

Satguru mehar karan

Daas

Consciousness

Being born a Sikh is not a free pass to salvation. You have to work at it.

Guru ji says "Aape beejj, aape hi kaho". As you sow, so you shall reap. Your actions matter.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji:

amal kar dhharathee beej sabadho kar sach kee aab nith dhaehi paanee ||

Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.

hoe kirasaan eemaan ja(n)maae lai bhisath dhojak moorrae eaev jaanee ||1||

Become such a farmer, and faith will sprout. This brings knowledge of heaven and hell, you fool! ||1||

math jaan sehi galee paaeiaa ||

Do not think that your Husband Lord can be obtained by mere words.

Guru ji is saying that we have to cultivate our minds to grow into a gurmukh. It takes work. Our tools are good deeds, the Shabad and truth.

Throughout gurbani, Guru ji tells us that good deeds matter and we have to work to change ourselves.

If Amrit guaranteed you mukti, then why go pesh? Whatever you do after you take amrit is irrelevent, since you are already saved. This is not Sikhi.

You take Amrit, because you are ready to give your head to Guru Gobind Singh ji. Just like the original Panj Piyare did. It is initiation into the Khalsa order.

[Consciousness]

What you are quoting (in black) was written by Guru Amardas ji. The Amrit ceremony you are thinking of was started by Guru Gobind Singh ji, who came way after Guru Amardas ji. Therefore, Guru ji is not referring to the Amrit ceremony.

Guru ji is referring to the sanskrit word Amrit. Hindu legend says that the deities drank a nectar, which gave them immortality. This nectar was called Amrit.

Thus, Guru ji is saying that the shabad is our Amrit, the lord's bani is our Amrit. By contemplating it, we can achieve immortality.

Being born a Sikh is not a free pass to salvation. You have to work at it.

Guru ji says "Aape beejj, aape hi kaho". As you sow, so you shall reap. Your actions matter.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji:

amal kar dhharathee beej sabadho kar sach kee aab nith dhaehi paanee ||

Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.

hoe kirasaan eemaan ja(n)maae lai bhisath dhojak moorrae eaev jaanee ||1||

Become such a farmer, and faith will sprout. This brings knowledge of heaven and hell, you fool! ||1||

math jaan sehi galee paaeiaa ||

Do not think that your Husband Lord can be obtained by mere words.

Guru ji is saying that we have to cultivate our minds to grow into a gurmukh. It takes work. Our tools are good deeds, the Shabad and truth.

Throughout gurbani, Guru ji tells us that good deeds matter and we have to work to change ourselves.

If Amrit guaranteed you mukti, then why go pesh? Whatever you do after you take amrit is irrelevent, since you are already saved. This is not Sikhi.

You take Amrit, because you are ready to give your head to Guru Gobind Singh ji. Just like the original Panj Piyare did. It is initiation into the Khalsa order.

Actually no I am not.... Prior to Guru Gobind singh ji amrit was given as charan pohul. This charan amrit and kandea bhatta the amrit are the same. No devi devta can get this Amrit ONLY the Sikhs of guru nanak can get this.

When I say born I mean born again by taking TRUE amrit that wipes away all past lekha of karam. That's what it means to be born in the house of guru nanak.

amal kar dhharathee beej sabadho kar sach kee aab nith dhaehi paanee ||

Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.

In the tuk above amal means to do 'Gurshabad veechar' NOT Good deed in some sort of 'Good' action. Your interpretation is inaccurate.

BTW karma only effects the non amritdharis - Gurmukhs who have obtained the true amrit are beyond Karma. Good karma below in the tuk means to be beyond any action and reaction.

gurmuiK krm gurmuiK inhkrmw gurmuiK kry su suBwey jIau ]6]

guramukh karam guramukh nihakaramaa guramukh karae s subhaaeae jeeo ||6||

The Gurmukh performs actions of good karma, and the Gurmukh is beyond karma. Whatever the Gurmukh does, is done in good faith. ||6

bwhir BIqir BieAw pRgwsu ]

baahar bheethar bhaeiaa pragaas ||

you will be enlightened, inwardly and outwardly.

qb hUAw sgl krm kw nwsu ]7]

thab hooaa sagal karam kaa naas ||7||

All your karma will be erased. ||7||

ibnu krmY nwau n pweIAY pUrY krim pwieAw jwie ]

bin karamai naao n paaeeai poorai karam paaeiaajaae ||

Without the karma of good actions, the Name is not obtained; it can be obtained only by perfect good karma.

One who has perfect karma takes amrit (At amrit sanchaar) and then becomes deathless!! Ones who do not become deathless, free from the 5 vices and bajjar kurehits clearly haven't received the true amrit.

The problem with your veechar is that 'you' believe you exist and have an independent Identity other than the 1 lord. This is called suksham ego and in gurbani this is classed as manmat.

Anyway here is a question when the original punj pyarea took amrit in 1699 do you think they got realised and found God once they took amrit? Or do you think they were still suffering in terms of they had to find God still because they had not done enough 'good deeds' and needed 'more' naam?

Also do you think any of them went pesh?

[Sherdil]

Actually no I am not.... Prior to Guru Gobind singh ji amrit was given as charan pohul. This charan amrit and kandea bhatta the amrit are the same. No devi devta can get this Amrit ONLY the Sikhs of guru nanak can get this.

When I say born I mean born again by taking TRUE amrit that wipes away all past lekha of karam. That's what it means to be born in the house of guru nanak.

amal kar dhharathee beej sabadho kar sach kee aab nith dhaehi paanee ||

Make good deeds the soil, and let the Word of the Shabad be the seed; irrigate it continually with the water of Truth.

In the tuk above amal means to do 'Gurshabad veechar' NOT Good deed in some sort of 'Good' action. Your interpretation is inaccurate.

BTW karma only effects the non amritdharis - Gurmukhs who have obtained the true amrit are beyond Karma. Good karma below in the tuk means to be beyond any action and reaction.

gurmuiK krm gurmuiK inhkrmw gurmuiK kry su suBwey jIau ]6]

guramukh karam guramukh nihakaramaa guramukh karae s subhaaeae jeeo ||6||

The Gurmukh performs actions of good karma, and the Gurmukh is beyond karma. Whatever the Gurmukh does, is done in good faith. ||6

bwhir BIqir BieAw pRgwsu ]

baahar bheethar bhaeiaa pragaas ||

you will be enlightened, inwardly and outwardly.

qb hUAw sgl krm kw nwsu ]7]

thab hooaa sagal karam kaa naas ||7||

All your karma will be erased. ||7||

ibnu krmY nwau n pweIAY pUrY krim pwieAw jwie ]

bin karamai naao n paaeeai poorai karam paaeiaajaae ||

Without the karma of good actions, the Name is not obtained; it can be obtained only by perfect good karma.

One who has perfect karma takes amrit (At amrit sanchaar) and then becomes deathless!! Ones who do not become deathless, free from the 5 vices and bajjar kurehits clearly haven't received the true amrit.

The problem with your veechar is that 'you' believe you exist and have an independent Identity other than the 1 lord. This is called suksham ego and in gurbani this is classed as manmat.

Anyway here is a question when the original punj pyarea took amrit in 1699 do you think they got realised and found God once they took amrit? Or do you think they were still suffering in terms of they had to find God still because they had not done enough 'good deeds' and needed 'more' naam?

Also do you think any of them went pesh?

Then why did the Panj Pyare have to take amrit from Guru Gobind Singh, if they had already taken charan pohul amrit? Doesn't make sense.

I will say this again: Amrit does not have any magical powers. "Aape beej aape hi kaho". This is what Guru ji says. What you sow you shall reap. Therefore your actions matter. Drinking something is not going to pardon you. We are not Christians, who believe that they are saved if they become baptized.

Karma affects everything, because it is a part of Hukam. Nothing can be outside of Hukam. This goes counter to your claim that gurmukhs are not affected by karma. The tuk you have provided says that the actions of a gurmukh are done with good karma, because they are good actions. A gurmukh cannot do bad actions, because then he wouldn't be a gurmukh.

You have mixed and matched tuks from different shabadhs to make your point. I don't know if you are intentionally being misleading or not. It seems like you are taking single lines and using them out of context.

bwhir BIqir BieAw pRgwsu ]

baahar bheethar bhaeiaa pragaas ||

you will be enlightened, inwardly and outwardly.

qb hUAw sgl krm kw nwsu ]7]

thab hooaa sagal karam kaa naas ||7||

All your karma will be erased. ||7|

These tuks you have provided are from Bhagat Kabir ji's bani. They have nothing to do with the topic of amrit we are talking about.

ibnu krmY nwau n pweIAY pUrY krim pwieAw jwie ]

bin karamai naao n paaeeai poorai karam paaeiaajaae ||

Without the karma of good actions, the Name is not obtained; it can be obtained only by perfect good karma.

You have provided this tuk, which makes my point. Good actions matter.

The problem with your veechar is that 'you' believe you exist and have an independent Identity other than the 1 lord. This is called suksham ego and in gurbani this is classed as manmat.

I have never said this. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Anyway here is a question when the original punj pyarea took amrit in 1699 do you think they got realised and found God once they took amrit? Or do you think they were still suffering in terms of they had to find God still because they had not done enough 'good deeds' and needed 'more' naam?

Also do you think any of them went pesh?

I have already said that amrit is initiation into the Khalsa. Guru ji asked for a head. Five people came forward. These people were the bravest and the most loyal of Guru ji's Sikhs. They had something within them that set them apart from the masses that had gathered there. He rewarded them with a unique position in the panth.

Similarly, the people who take amrit should be the best of us. They are supposed to be ambassadors of our faith. Giving amrit to any joe schmoe, belittles the institution of Khalsa because you have people parading around as Sant Sipahis, who have no understanding of gurbani and have not cultivated their minds to be gurmukhs inside. That is why this practice of going pesh has arisen. These people commit mistakes because they are not ready. Taking amrit today does not take the same guts as going onstage to have your head chopped off. I bet most of the amritdharis today would have hesitated to literally give their heads.

The original Panj Piyare did not go pesh, because there was no such thing as going pesh back then. I am against this practice of going pesh, because it belittles the meaning of amrit.

You are saying that people get liberated just by drinking amrit. Therefore their actions don't matter. They could get drunk, do drugs, be promiscuous, and it wouldn't matter because they have taken amrit and they will be saved. This logic is seriously flawed.

To be frank brother, I'm quite shocked that I'm having a debate with you regarding whether or not good deeds matter. If our actions didn't matter, then we would be like yogis, just meditating in isolation. Guru ji said we have to live in this world and we have a responsibility to make it a better place. That is why we wear kirpan (to protect the weak and fight oppression). That is why we wear kara (to remind us not to do bad actions). That is why we say Degh Tegh Fateh (we protect the weak and feed the hungry.

Guru ji's 3 Golden Rules:

1) Earn an honest living

2) Share your earnings with the less fortunate

3) Remember God

Actions matter

[Raaj.Karega.Khalsa]

You Need to watch this please do not disrespect amrit veer jeo!!

Waheguru! Thanks for sharing the video, Bhaji!

[Consciousness]

Then why did the Panj Pyare have to take amrit from Guru Gobind Singh, if they had already taken charan pohul amrit? Doesn't make sense.

I will say this again: Amrit does not have any magical powers. "Aape beej aape hi kaho". This is what Guru ji says. What you sow you shall reap. Therefore your actions matter. Drinking something is not going to pardon you. We are not Christians, who believe that they are saved if they become baptized.

Karma affects everything, because it is a part of Hukam. Nothing can be outside of Hukam. This goes counter to your claim that gurmukhs are not affected by karma. The tuk you have provided says that the actions of a gurmukh are done with good karma, because they are good actions. A gurmukh cannot do bad actions, because then he wouldn't be a gurmukh.

You have mixed and matched tuks from different shabadhs to make your point. I don't know if you are intentionally being misleading or not. It seems like you are taking single lines and using them out of context.

bwhir BIqir BieAw pRgwsu ]

baahar bheethar bhaeiaa pragaas ||

you will be enlightened, inwardly and outwardly.

qb hUAw sgl krm kw nwsu ]7]

thab hooaa sagal karam kaa naas ||7||

All your karma will be erased. ||7|

These tuks you have provided are from Bhagat Kabir ji's bani. They have nothing to do with the topic of amrit we are talking about.

ibnu krmY nwau n pweIAY pUrY krim pwieAw jwie ]

bin karamai naao n paaeeai poorai karam paaeiaajaae ||

Without the karma of good actions, the Name is not obtained; it can be obtained only by perfect good karma.

You have provided this tuk, which makes my point. Good actions matter.

The problem with your veechar is that 'you' believe you exist and have an independent Identity other than the 1 lord. This is called suksham ego and in gurbani this is classed as manmat.

I have never said this. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Anyway here is a question when the original punj pyarea took amrit in 1699 do you think they got realised and found God once they took amrit? Or do you think they were still suffering in terms of they had to find God still because they had not done enough 'good deeds' and needed 'more' naam?

Also do you think any of them went pesh?

I have already said that amrit is initiation into the Khalsa. Guru ji asked for a head. Five people came forward. These people were the bravest and the most loyal of Guru ji's Sikhs. They had something within them that set them apart from the masses that had gathered there. He rewarded them with a unique position in the panth.

Similarly, the people who take amrit should be the best of us. They are supposed to be ambassadors of our faith. Giving amrit to any joe schmoe, belittles the institution of Khalsa because you have people parading around as Sant Sipahis, who have no understanding of gurbani and have not cultivated their minds to be gurmukhs inside. That is why this practice of going pesh has arisen. These people commit mistakes because they are not ready. Taking amrit today does not take the same guts as going onstage to have your head chopped off. I bet most of the amritdharis today would have hesitated to literally give their heads.

The original Panj Piyare did not go pesh, because there was no such thing as going pesh back then. I am against this practice of going pesh, because it belittles the meaning of amrit.

You are saying that people get liberated just by drinking amrit. Therefore their actions don't matter. They could get drunk, do drugs, be promiscuous, and it wouldn't matter because they have taken amrit and they will be saved. This logic is seriously flawed.

To be frank brother, I'm quite shocked that I'm having a debate with you regarding whether or not good deeds matter. If our actions didn't matter, then we would be like yogis, just meditating in isolation. Guru ji said we have to live in this world and we have a responsibility to make it a better place. That is why we wear kirpan (to protect the weak and fight oppression). That is why we wear kara (to remind us not to do bad actions). That is why we say Degh Tegh Fateh (we protect the weak and feed the hungry.

Guru ji's 3 Golden Rules:

1) Earn an honest living

2) Share your earnings with the less fortunate

3) Remember God

Actions matter

I don't know why this has become a karma debate and why we are talking about actions. You are on about good actions, ethics and morals - of course they are important and I agree.

But the topic here is about amrit and committing a bajjar kurehit. Please try to understand that if one becomes deathless, immortal then they are beyond karma (I'm not going to teach you why because I rather stick to the topic).

- Like I said I believe taking the TRUE amrit makes one stop from committing any bajjar kurehit (Sexual relationships etc as in the case with Harpreet). Although you believe it doesn't and one has to keep on working on themselves etc

I disagree with what you say because it makes amrit sound weak and secondly I believe that Guru ji stops you from doing any bajjar kurehit like in the case with Bhai Joga Singh. So you can't make a mistake; your actions are controlled by guru ji once amrit has been taken.

In the same way bhai Joga singh was protected one who take amrit is protected in the same way.

The Story of Bhai Joga Singh

Joga as a young boy of maybe about 15 came to Guru Gobind Singh Maharaaj’s darbaar. He was so overcome on seeing Satguru jee and Guru Sahib asked “WHO ARE YOU?” He replied “I am JOGA” Guru Sahib asked “TOO KEHDAA JOGA? - ” (who’s joga are you i.e. who are you worthy of?) Joga replied “MAI TERE JOGA GURU JEE, Guru jee mai tere joga - I am yours/ I am worthy of you; Satguru ji replied, “too mere Joga, MAI TERE JOGA - . Guru jee asked Joga to stay with Him and become part of the Khalsa thus he became known as Bhai Joga Singh.

Love grew between Guru jee and Bhai Joga Singh, and Bhai Joga Singh loved being with Guru Sahib. Several years passed and Bhai Joga Singh’s parents came to take him home, they thought he should now be married as he had come of age. They went to ask permission from Guru Sahib to take him back home and Guru jee gave the go ahead on the condition that Bhai Joga Singh was to return whenever he was asked, he would be called when he Khalsa needed him regardless of where he was and what he was doing he should come. They agreed to this and headed off back to his village.

Gurdwara Bhai Joga Singh in the City of Peshawar (now in West Pakistan).

So the wedding preparations began and Bhai Joga Singh's Anand Kaaraj took place in the city of Peshawar. Bhai Joga Singh had been newly wedded and spent only a day as a married man, when a messenger from Guru Sahib arrived and presented Bhai Joga Singh with a letter requesting that he return as he was needed by the Khalsa. His family pleaded with him that he stay as he has just newly married and that how could he leave his wife so soon. However, Bhai Joga Singh was adamant that he would go back to Guru Sahib as nothing was more important than his Guru. Indeed the path of the devotees is sharper than the edge of a sword, and it is even narrower than a hair.

Bhai Joga Singh continued his journey to Anandpur as fast as he could. After passing through Lahore and Amritsar, he reached a resting spot at Hoshiarpur. On his way his ego got inflated and he thought, "WHO COULD HAVE ACTED LIKE ME? Certainly very few Sikhs would leave home after being newly wedded and carry out the Guru jee's order like me." This sense of pride brought his fall. At night he was overwhelmed by evil-passion and he started towards the house of a PROSTITUTE.

Bhai Joga Singh was wearing the Guru's uniform- full appearance with a Dastaar and the 5Ks adorned on his body. On his way to the prostitute, Bhai Joga Singh said to himself, "If some one sees me going into the house of a prostitute, it will bring DISGRACE to the Guru. Outwardly I am in Guru's attire. So NOBODY should see me entering the prostitute's house." On trying to enter he came across a GUARD standing there so he paused and backed away, he tried four times to enter the building but could not get past the guard seeing him. He realised how weak he was being and rode back to Guru jee.

On entering the divaan he payed his respects to Guru Sahib and Guru Jee looked at Bhai Joga Singh. Guru jee asked Bhai Joga to explain where he was last night. In shame Bhai Joga Singh did not answer. However, the all-knowing Guru knew of Bhai Joga Singh's temptations. Guru Sahib again asked, "Bhai Joga Singh! I have asked you a question, you are struggling to answer. Why cannot you answer me? Tell me WHERE WERE YOU LAST NIGHT?" As the incident unfolded Guru jee revealed that HE HIMSELF was the GUARD, and that He were there to stop Bhai Joga Singh from entering and sinning. Bhai Joga Singh fell at Guru jee’s charan (feet) and begged for forgiveness. Guru Sahib reminded him of what he had said before, “Guru Jee MAI TERE JOGA - (I am worthy only of You Guru ji). Guru Sahib said“because you belong to me - I belong to you Bhai Joga, I BELONG TO YOU! Mai tere joga! - ”

Such are the ways of the Beloved Guru. Once we put our complete faith in Him, He does not abandon us and let us waver.

So one who takes amrit is always protected and can never commit a bajjar kurehit because GURU JI STOPS YOU.

Like I said before:

I believe that Harpreet's panj pyarea lacked rehat and because of their weaknesses she committed a bajjar kurehit - SO IT IS NOT HER FAULT!. I'm going to be honest with you here that personally in life as I believe my punj kept all rehats and because of this I can not commit a bajjar kurehit. Even if I try Guru ji stops me from commiting any bajjar kurehit (remember I can't do anything but it is all guru sahib) - I have been given challenges in the past by people like to go to a brothel or drink alcohol and let's stay stuff happened that stopped me from doing any of this.

I have so much faith in guru sahib that because of his keerpa I can't commit a bajjar kurehit - I've actually tried to commit a bajjar kurehit (when I was very young on purpose, which I should not have done but I was stupid then lol) basically I was always stopped. It's impossible for das to commit a bajjar kurehit because guru sahib protects me!! clearly Harpreet's panj pyarea did not keep rehat so I think she should take amrit again.

You got to REMEMBER that amrit removes all past lekha of karam and the surti becomes lean to naam and because of this it is impossible to even have sexual relationships with anyone. This applies to anyone that takes amrit but clearly in harpreet's case the punj were not right....

Sorry if I have offended anyone but this is daas's personal experience when it comes to amrit

Satguru mehar karan and bless every one with pakea tat gurmat punj pyarea