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I do not know other gurus so much...

But for me, our Guru Sahibans were the embodiment of Akal Purukh.

But we must bear in mind also, their physical body is not the Guru, as it changes with time and one day the mortal body of the 5 tattwas is left in this earthly plane, where they got that particular body.

So, it is the Jot of Wahiguru which permeates each pore of their being, while they are among us.

Refering to this matter, the Bani tells us:
Har jee baseh Sadh kay hirday.
Har jee baseh Sadh kee rasna
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It is because of this, that even today after 500 years, they are so lovely and so adorable to us

Sat Sree Akal

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Why do we worship the gurus? I know some don't worship the gurus, but many puraatan singhs do and have told me its the way the gurus set. Why?? I thought the guru was the means of liberation, not the end.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh, Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not a body, but rather a spirit. He is not a man, but Vaheguru himself. We don't worship the body of the Guru, but rather everything he stood for. The message is stronger than what only we can see. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
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But why do we not worship Bhagat Kabir, Bhagat Ramanand, or Sheikh Farid Ji. They were both merged with God and they taught gurmat principles. What makes our gurus distinguished enough to be worshipped?

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh! Being merged with Vaheguru is not the same as being Vaheguru himself; in Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji-Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji alone is the light of Vaheguru complete and shines fully. Even if Daas or you did enough Bhagti to merge with Vaheguru; neither of us would still equal even an once of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, as he is the master of the ocean; while we are mere droplets, that would've happened to merge with Vaheguru. This is why we don't worship the Bhagats and other Mahapurukhs, but stay loyal to worship only one: Vaheguru, (if it's a confusing concept just stick to worshipping Vaheguru, as worshipping both Vaheguru and Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the same). Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
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But how can a droplet of water merged into the ocean be viewed as any different than any other portion of water in it? How can one portion of water be Nanak and another portion be Ravidas. It's all Waheguru, without lines or distinctions, purely one, right?

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh, one that was a metaphor, second you can't compare the owner of an ocean, (Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji), to a raindrop, (everything else). By your logic we would all be Vaheguru, since he's inside everyone, but he isn't complete in anyone but Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Why do some people immediately after Jaaping the Gurmantar once become Mukt immediately, and others it takes years and years? It's because of the Gurprassad; even though helping both people, felt one was ready earlier and the other latter. The Bhagats weren't born merged-in-to-Vaheguru, but Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's very existence is Vaheguru; he came to the world as Vaheguru complete: Bhai Gurdas even says: "ਸੁਣੀ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ਦਾਤਾਰ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਗ ਮਾਹਿ ਪਠਾਇਆ।

Sounee Poukaari Daataar Prabhu Guru Naanak Jag Maahi Patdaaiaa.

सुणी पुकारि दातार प्रभु गुरु नानक जग माहि पठाइआ ।

The benefactor Lord listened to the cries (of humanity) and sent Guru Nanak to this world.

1 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੨੩ ਪੰ. ੧", "ਕਲਿ ਤਾਰਣ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਆਇਆ ॥੨੩॥

Kali Taarani Guru Naanaku Aaiaa ॥23॥

कलि तारणि गुरु नानकु आइआ ॥२३॥

Guru Nanak came to redeem the kaliyug.

8 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੨੩ ਪੰ. ੮" (Vaar 1 Pauri 23). Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a special creation upon the world; as he was Vaheguru himself: he never needed to be born, but was sent as a solution to humanities problems. Among all beings the Guru himself is the most unique and doesn't fit into any other normal rules. Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

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SGGS Ang 864 is all about Guru dhi mehma.

Your dhasam dhuar has been locked and Guru ji has the key. When that door is opened using Gurujis key then you will be able to understand God himself. Just like eyes are for sight, ears for hearing, dhasam dhuar is for feeling and connecting with God the master of the universe.

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But why do we not worship Bhagat Kabir, Bhagat Ramanand, or Sheikh Farid Ji. They were both merged with God and they taught gurmat principles. What makes our gurus distinguished enough to be worshipped?

You see, though Wahiguru is present and manifested in all these Sants, Bhagats, Guru Sahibans, the thing is, one needs not to worship them, neither they will ever tell you to worship them.

They will tell you, Wahiguru, Guru Jee, is much present in you also. Do His bhakti, through Naam Simran, subdue your ego, haume, your mind, with this jugtee...wash your karmas with this Amrit of Naam, thus become inmaculate and board the jahaaz of Naam then, and let this Shabad Guru, take you to the lap of Wahiguru.

This is the way set down by Wahiguru Himself, to get us back to Him. There are no other short cuts, neither any earthly manifestation of Him, can change this Hukum; because that is not their role.

Their role is to sing His apaar Mahima, and infuse His love in us, so that we may do His Bhakti as per His Hukum, for our jeevan mukti and thus get reunited with Him.

Sat Sree Akal.

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True Gurus, Bhagat Janas, Sadh Janas, will never ever tell anyone to worship them, because that will be brahamanvadee.

More over, it will be going against Gurmat, as the Bani says: Jin Har japeeya se Har hoeeya. Prabh kay Simran, garb na baseh.

You see, all devotion, bhakti, has only one purpose, and that is about our union with Wahiguru, who is within us.

Outside is all maya.

And the intention of the true Guru, is to make us conscious of that reality within us, which is called Naam, Shabad, Amrit Bani, Sachee Bani ... and through the jugtee of meditation or Simran, we wash our karmas,sanskaras, vikaars...become pure paviter, and allow the Shabad Guru, to take our surtees to Sach Khand.

That is when the Bani says: Baah pakad kar Gur kadeeya.

This Guru, is not the physical Guru, who has to discard His body one day, but the Bani refers to the internal and permanent Shabad Guru.

Shabad is Wahiguru, and He Himself, is also the Guru, the Aad Guru.

So in the end, it is all Wahiguru, though He comes to our level to make us understand, the higher and subtle truths(Gurparsad), which otherwise we manmukhs could never ever think about, thus use it for our spiritual evolution and become one with Wahiguru.

Sat Sree Akal.

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True Gurus, Bhagat Janas, Sadh Janas, will never ever tell anyone to worship them, because that will be brahamanvadee.

More over, it will be going against Gurmat, as the Bani says: Jin Har japeeya se Har hoeeya. Prabh kay Simran, garb na baseh.

You see, all devotion, bhakti, has only one purpose, and that is about our union with Wahiguru, who is within us.

Outside is all maya.

And the intention of the true Guru, is to make us conscious of that reality within us, which is called Naam, Shabad, Amrit Bani, Sachee Bani ... and through the jugtee of meditation or Simran, we wash our karmas,sanskaras, vikaars...become pure paviter, and allow the Shabad Guru, to take our surtees to Sach Khand.

That is when the Bani says: Baah pakad kar Gur kadeeya.

This Guru, is not the physical Guru, who has to discard His body one day, but the Bani refers to the internal and permanent Shabad Guru.

Shabad is Wahiguru, and He Himself, is also the Guru, the Aad Guru.

So in the end, it is all Wahiguru, though He comes to our level to make us understand, the higher and subtle truths(Gurparsad), which otherwise we manmukhs could never ever think about, thus use it for our spiritual evolution and become one with Wahiguru.

Sat Sree Akal.

Thank you for Harsharan Paji for explaining this. Nice.
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Simran Pen Jee,

whatever we say or explain, there has to be a logic in it. And true sense or logic, can be had by going through the very Bani, in a ample sense.

Somewhere we read something, and we may not be sure about it, but if we keep that in mind, and go thoroughly the Bani as said before, for sure we shall find the answers to our doubts.

The level of truths mentioned in the Bani are of the highest, as they are the very expressions of these Guru Sahibans and Bhagat Jan, and experiences/knowledge of first hand, and on the other side, it is we the lowly minded manmukhs, who hardly understand and agree among ourselves...

The Bani is so high and pure, that to have even a glimpse of the real meaning what is said, it may take us quite a few years.

For example my self, what I understand from the Bani today, has nothing to do with what I understood about, more than 4 decades, when i was in my early teens.

Of course, there is another way to speed that understanding and savoring the Anand from the Bani, and that is to rub our dirty minds, against the cleanser of Naam, through bhajan bandagee/simran, then as we gradually gain purity, we start seeing the marvelous Bani from a better position, until it becomes crystal clear one day.

I have seen lecturers and so called gyanis,misinterpreting the pure paviter Bani, it is not their fault that much, what can one do, if one does not bathe in the amrit of the wonderful Naam.

As said several times, Gurmat is not about talking big, but rather about putting into practice the message of our Guru Sahibans, which is Wahiguru and all spiritual wealth is inside you, and for you, so go inside as per instructions in Gurmat, and have your piece of cake, which nobody can snatch from you, it is for you.

That cake which satisfies all our hunger for the maya, the vikaars for once and forever, and that spiritual wealth, is none other than Naam; is also known as Shabad, which is same as Wahiguru, who is nowhere outside, but right within us.

Sat Sree Akal.

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