Gurdwara at Pak-Afghan border

[Guest Guest Singh]

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh sangat ji!

I wanted to share the following video with you. For the uninitiated, this YouTube channel does some content relating to sikhi in Pakistan, tracing family lineages across India-Pak border (whole of Punjab), Punjabi culture, apart from other things. I think the sangat would appreciate it. Would love to hear what you have to say.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh!

[Guest guest]

hi

is it of historical significance (Guru's time?)

[Guest Guest Singh]

Yes...associated with Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji's 4th udasi.

[Guest guest]

hi thanks your response, i watched it and enjoyed it.  thank you for showing these places.

one tip- it would be better without the music, because it makes it hard to hear what people are saying. and also goes too loud at the end.

is the gent at 2.22ish talking in dari or panjabi?  if he's talking dari, it would be good if the presenter translated it after wards.

does the platform inside the first Gurdwara mark the place Guru ji rested?  

its really good, thank you for sharing.  i look forward to the next part.

[Guest Guest Singh]

On 3/23/2019 at 5:21 AM, Guest guest said:

hi thanks your response, i watched it and enjoyed it.  thank you for showing these places.

one tip- it would be better without the music, because it makes it hard to hear what people are saying. and also goes too loud at the end.

As I mentioned, the YouTube channel Punjabi Lehar has produced this video. I just shared... thought a few others here would like it as well

On 3/23/2019 at 5:21 AM, Guest guest said:

is the gent at 2.22ish talking in dari or panjabi?  if he's talking dari, it would be good if the presenter translated it after wards

I think he's speaking Pashto. Many Sikhs who've immigrated from Afghanistan here in New Delhi speak Pashto. I don't understand it either but find it interesting. It would've definitely have been helpful if there were subtitles.

On 3/23/2019 at 5:21 AM, Guest guest said:

does the platform inside the first Gurdwara mark the place Guru ji rested?  

We can't say for sure as there's no such mention in the video. 

[Guest Guest Singh]

This is the second part

[Guest Jigsaw_puzzled_Singh]

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 11:51 PM, Guest guest said:

 

is the gent at 2.22ish talking in dari or panjabi?  if he's talking dari, it would be good if the presenter translated it after wards.

Firstly, the short answer is that he is speaking a hybrid of Pashto and Hindko.

Now, on to the next point: Dari is more or less Farsi and as a completely different language it is relatively easy to tell if someone is speaking in a Pashto or Farsi tongue. What's important here is an understanding of geography and it's relationship with the Sikh diaspora. For example, if you meet a Sikh in Vancouver there's a good chance he'll be speaking in a Doaba dialect whereas a Sikh in Toronto will more likely be speaking in a Malwai dialect. And, a Sikh in New York will likely speaking with a Labana / Multani majha tongue. Same with the Sikhs in the North West Frontier of Pakistan / Afghanistan: The Sikhs in the North West Frontier, whilst fluent in Pashto, are likely to use Hindko as their mother tongue at home - The Sikhs in the Afghan city of Jalalabad will be mostly Pashto speaking whereas the Sikhs of Kabul will be Dari / Farsi speaking through and through as that city only has a minority pathan population with a majority Uzbek / Turkman etc and Dari is the common tongue that allows the different groups to communicate with each other. Anyway, I digress and I've promised some on this forum that I would stop with my long lectures -  in summary, the man in the video is speaking Pashto but it would be difficult to correctly attribute it as Pashto because his speech is interspersed with Hindko.

[Guest guest]

really interesting thanks for posting.  i like how remote and untouched the place is, though the building looks like it was recently built.

if you are not associated with the making of these documentaries, why are you posting them?

still i would not have seen them otherwise, so thank you.

[Guest Guest Singh]

On 4/2/2019 at 11:15 PM, Guest Jigsaw_puzzled_Singh said:

I've promised some on this forum that I would stop with my long lectures

It was very interesting to read. I don't think you should stop sharing all that knowledge. The ones who don't want to read can always skip

On 4/3/2019 at 4:26 AM, Guest guest said:

if you are not associated with the making of these documentaries, why are you posting them?

Because it's related to Sikhi

[Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh]

On 4/6/2019 at 4:48 PM, Guest Guest Singh said:

It was very interesting to read. I don't think you should stop sharing all that knowledge. The ones who don't want to read can always skip

Thanks Guest Guest Singh alas....sadly  .....the ones that don't like it don't just skip it.....it makes them counter with a hellava lot of abuse. Nobody, including me, needs abuse so I limit myself these days to comedy / funny posts mainly, on this forum.  As an active member of other online history / anthropology / geography etc forums I articulate the things I know on those forums instead now because they actually appreciate them and engage in positive learning experiences for all of us. But, as you're keen to read and learn, you can always do a history search for all posts posted under these names: Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh, Jagsaw Singh, West London Singh.  As well as philosophy and race I've written some pretty extensive stuff on history over the years so I'm sure you'll find at least a few things you'll find fascinating. Stay inquisitive brother.

[Guest Guest Singh]

 

On 4/8/2019 at 1:57 PM, Guest jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:

as you're keen to read and learn, you can always do a history search for all posts posted under these names: Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh, Jagsaw Singh, West London Singh.  As well as philosophy and race I've written some pretty extensive stuff on history over the years so I'm sure you'll find at least a few things you'll find fascinating. Stay inquisitive brother.

Well I look forward to reading (:  Thanks!

[Guest guest]

jigsaw i don't know about your other posts but that one above is good because is is full of facts and is short (one paragraph).  i learned new stuff reading it.

i was asking about the language because i was wondering what he was saying.  i couldn't understand it and there was no translation provided.

[Guest Guest Singh]

Gurdwara Thalla Sahib.

Guru Nanak Dev ji rested here after coming from Parachinar and Mali Khel (North West Frontier Province, Pakistan).