Tshirt With Sant Bhindranwale And Che Guevera?

[N30S1NGH]

I was reading life of che guvera, right off the bat, his struggle reminded me of sant bhindranwale struggle. There is no question sant bhindranwale was sant, was higher than che guvera when it comes to spiritual avastha, but when it comes to sidhak and anakh of protesting against human rights and their people they both went through same struggle may be on a different platforms but essence of their struggle was same. Che guvera felt for its people who were prosecuted by evil regime so did sant bhindranwale. Che guvera was socialist (equal rights for everyone) so was sant bhindranwale.

reason i m posting this thread so i can get opnion/thoughts from sikhsangat on this topic comparsion between sant bhindranwale and che guvera, is it right to compare them? if there are subtle differences and simialirity between them please list them, please leave the ridicolous differences out like- che guvera used to smoke , sant bhindranwale did not.. we all know that, as i said earlier i m not comparing them on a spiritual level but on socio-political-economic level.

also on that note, i have a technical question for techies, can someone please guide me how i combine these two personalities pictures on the tshirt? any suggestions?

also would larger sikh sangat get offended by tshirt trend with both of them on it?

your views please

[machete]

yeah i guess they were both warriors, they are similar becuase they both fought a just cuase. but u need to research on the next man, what was his policy when it came to innocents etc no point putting em both on same t-shirt i reckon, why dont u put surinder singh sodhi or shaheed bhai amrik singh ji with sant ji as they were his right and left hand man, the next man has his own t-shirts , just buy one and put em next to ur sant ji one in the wardrobe.

[dalsingh101]

Che was big. He came from a well to do background but felt strongly for the poor and exploited. If you read the Motorcycle Diaries you can see his early thinking and how he visited various exploitative companies in South America and openly criticised them. He was a big thinker and had a very deep understanding of global politics and history. I think sant ji came from a much more humble background in terms of wealth, opportunity and education but was more than a match in bravery.

There are big differences between Che And Bhindranwale. Che's thinking covered a global scale and involved helping armed struggles against imperialism that DID NOT involve his own people. SO he was a true internationalist. I think sant ji was more focused on ground level Sikh problems. Che's education also meant that he did other high level governmental administrative roles such as taking charge of the banking system. I don't think sant ji would have the political side to do such stuff.

There was an incident in Che's early life when he came across some poor people and gave away his own asthma medicine to them, despite suffering badly from asthma himself. Reminded me of the principles behind the "sucha sodha" sakhi.

It is hard not to notice how Che's life, in how it lived it, corresponds to the IDEAL of the Khalsa we have. Fighting for the poor and oppressed and sacrificing all. The fact that he went abroad and directly helped those that were not from his own ethnic group puts him apart from me. He is the most potent example of a universal revolutionary. I think Sikhs could learn a hell of a lot from him.

[akitosforever]

I think a great example of che is mentioned here.....and very correct and apt example that a great souls like Che do not come attached with any Religon or caste.. they are just great souls....

Fateh

[N30S1NGH]

great posts dalsingh and singhavelli, very informative posts. thanks a lot guys..keep these informative posts coming. singhavelli please keep me in the loop regarding the designs you working on, can't wait to wear them in major events, i think by wearing the tshirts with both of these freedom fighers, we are actually making people globally aware about sant bhindranwale like che guvera, they both may have worked on different platforms but in essence had similiar goals . Unfortunately sant bhindranwale is not as popular as che guvera in western hemisphere because of demographics/bias media. che guvera fought for freedom in south america which became center of the world due to independent unbias media compare to sant bhindranwale who fought his struggle for human rights in northern state of india where media is highly controlled by gov't.

[dalsingh101]

You have to consider whether Che supporters would have any empathy with the Sikh plight. Communism describes all religions as "opium for the masses" in that it is considered to have a dumbing effect on people and is used to control. Can Che and Bhindranwale mix?

We have to consider that the same way Sikhs throw fits when their own Gurus iconography is used in what they consider as an inappropriate way. Che Guevera's supporters may feel that we are using it inappropriately. My thinking is not to link the two on a T Shirt because of this.

How different would that be to a Hindu using Sikh iconography alongside their own? We all get peed off when that happens.

What is good is that Sikhs are waking up and learning that great people exist out there that aren't Sikhs. Some of them don't even believe in God. But their moral fibre and conviction causes them to fight the good fight for those unable to fend for themselves.

Che Guevera is great. I salute the man who made ALL oppressed people his responsibility and took action about it.

[N30S1NGH]

dalsingh i understand your concerns regarding che's followers might take the both pictures in a tshirt wrong way. However, if we design common theme/writing which reflects both of these fighters i think all the misunderstanding will vanish.

I think che guvera and his followers promoted socialism, marxism theory. Being socialist and communist at the same time isnt that self contradictory? how can one be both? please give me examples.. sorry i dont have much knowledge about this or about their life.

Also on a side note, i have read few accounts on last days of che guvera, same say he chickened out when CIA backed up body captured him and begged for his life? some say he did chicken out some say he did not, others beleive if he had gun that worked, he would have die in fighting instead of surrender.

can you and others shed some light on this too?

[TeriSharan.]

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[N30S1NGH]

NAMASTANG HAS GYAAN OF BRAHM. HE IS MAHPURSH, ALL HIS BACHANS AND FACTS ARE TRUE (SAT)

leave your sarcasm outta this thread, and shove it up where sun doesnt shine.

In case you didnt notice, my orginal post has question marks all over it which means i m not claiming anything but i m still researching on comparison between two and i m trying to learn from this topic from other sikh sangat members.

[dalsingh101]

dalsingh i understand your concerns regarding che's followers might take the both pictures in a tshirt wrong way. However, if we design common theme/writing which reflects both of these fighters i think all the misunderstanding will vanish.

I think che guvera and his followers promoted socialism, marxism theory. Being socialist and communist at the same time isnt that self contradictory? how can one be both? please give me examples.. sorry i dont have much knowledge about this or about their life.

Also on a side note, i have read few accounts on last days of che guvera, same say he chickened out when CIA backed up body captured him and begged for his life? some say he did chicken out some say he did not, others beleive if he had gun that worked, he would have die in fighting instead of surrender.

can you and others shed some light on this too?

Well his last diary entries before death describe skirmishes against soldiers where both sides took loses. We can never be certain about what exactly happened when he died. That is it. We can however get a good idea of how he LIVED through his writings and what we know of his actions.

I can't understand why someone would want to mix Bhindranwale and Che together. I admire both but they were VERY different. Che was a highly educated political visionary who wrote profusely on an international level whilst Sant Bhindranwale was a rustic warrior who interpreted everything from his Sikh DDT upbringing. I don't see too much connection.

Better Sikhs read up and learn about Che than go on like most idiots who wear his image on a T shirt without fully understanding what he was about. I would imagine Che would have some negative things to say about Sikhs helping the British Empire keep their global machine in power through force. Sikhs need to learn about Che fully and adopt his message before they try an fuse their cause with his. Just my two cents.