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I think our singhnians are very chhardi kala singnians.I am proud of umm. I feel like carrying a kirpan now...problem is the only kirpan I have is my Nana ji's kirpan and that one hasn't been used or taken out of its sheath since 92. I will check that out and see what condition it is in :T:

once again, WOW I don't know who the heck this Nijjar fellow is but ya'll know him pretty well...thanks for the heads up on this guy...I was totally shocked and confused when I saw what his site said (the quote I posted up at the top) btw, at some point somebody is gonna ask me why I use Dhillon as my username here since Balwinder Singh ji said something about using Singh or Kaur as our last name...well, i dunno, it's just a name that has been our surname for generations, our whole pind is Dhillon. We have family name (called All or Ull in punjabi, like how you say Allah but take off the ah) which is Gajna...but I don't know what name to use as a username so i just used my last name... anyone wanna suggest a new username for me? I like Dhillon cuz it's popular punjabi name but it's not a Khalsa last name, and I don't wanna use Kaur cuz there& #39;s lots of Kaurs at this forum, not fair to steal that name for myself...

which one do I click on then ?

he's been on this forum ? i had no clue about that.

pakhandeebunga ji: can you get that part of the video posted here, cuz that would be funny :wub: do we have any more votes for this?

I got an email from RAJINDER NIJJHAR, don't know who he is but here's the link to his site: [Mod Edit : Link Removed ] And the first thing that got me questioning this guy's knowledge/perception/understanding of Sikhism was this: His website says at the bottom "For further discussion, please contact:- " him so here's his email: rajinder.nijjhar@ntlworld.com Somebody got something to say about this???

I wasn't expecting the son to reply like that!

wow

Great story, everyone email/pass it on to others. Last year i went to Freemont Gurdwara in Cali cuz our relativs had akhandpaath there...that day i witnessed one of the BEST kirtans in my life . That kirtan jatha came from India, the main guy's name was something like Indersomething or Iqsomething... anway, he told a story from Guru Gobind Singh ji's time (I think)...it was about these 2 generals (forgot their names) who had a group of soldiers with them...they were on their way to som e place to fight the enemy... they stopped somewhere to take a rest or something and general 1 says that they should continue with the journey and face the enemy and fight them, general 2 said they should wait 2 months and then proceed to encounter the enemy. They decided or somebody suggested they should consult with SGGS and see what the Hukam says. I think general 2 was doubtful of the power of SGGS cuz he was saying "how can the SGGS tell us what to do? It is just a book, how does it answer your question and help you?" General 1 said lemme show you the power of SGGS. So they went and made karrahprasad, did ardaas and the bhai read the hukamnama which clearly said "yes" they should continue with their journey and fight the enemy now instead of waiting here 2 months. There was some more to the story but I forgot it ...anyone know this story? please share it to refresh my memory .

I think we don't like Muslims cuz of our history. During Guru's times, especially during Guru Gobind Singh ji's time (I'm still doing research and learning about the Guru's lives and what happened) the Mughal Emperor, Aurangzeb(?) decided to convert everyone in his empire to Islam. Anyone who doesn't want to would be forced to or they would be killed. You probably know this but there was a PRICE for SIKH HEADS who didn't convert. You probably seen the paintings where Muslim guys are carrying Sikh heads on big sticks/poles and taking them to the authorities to get their reward. Throughout time and time again Muslims have been trying to convert ppl to Islam by force. So that's why I think we generally hate Muslims... No clue about that one . I guess we don't do nothing about that cuz movies are for entertainment, it's just comedy, they're not really serious...dunno . I'm not a big movie fan myself as I rarely get to see a new one, last one I saw I think was Outta Control (something like that).

As opposed to Mr. Badal who had an akhandpaath for the birth of his grandson last year I think it was. Secondly, I checked with my source of my story again...he was in amrika in 84, but he says LOG KEHNDE AA that this is how it happened: army was stationed outside Golden Temple for a few days...Golden Temple was closed, what I mean is whoever is inside is inside and outside ppl can't go in...there was plenty of public inside who was there to support Bhindrawale...army gave warning to the ppl inside to comeout and surrender by a certain time or bombing will start...those 3 guys surrendered...then my source isn't sure :T: of who started the initial shooting, the ppl inside o r the army...and you know the rest

did they give any warning ?I have heard from eyewittness account that there was no such warning.Plz correct me if i m wrong. :T: ....maybe by "warning" what i meant to say (now that i'm trying to recall the story more clearly) is that Badal, Tohra and Longowal and the rest were given a chance to get out from the complex and these 3 guys got out from the complex, wait...my version of the story still says that they had a "warning" before the bombing started :T: ok, somebody tell us how it really happened

Tohra passing way was not a shocker...after a massive heart attack like that...my dad said looks like the end is near for this guy now.. let's see, he was president of SGPC for 25 years or so :T: ...I hear that he didn't do much to improve gurdwaras, like fix the bathrooms, etc. In 1995, when we went to Golden Temple..my dad went to the bathroom and the stall had a little light bulb that was barely giving any light, it stank in there, and the ceiling was dripping water on the person's head. When my dad got out to wash his hands, there was no soap! I went again to Golden Temple in 2000, I went to the bathroom and heyy waheguroo , lost my lunch in the latrine... yep, Badal has the most land acreage in Punjab than anyone else...I don't know much else about Tohra except that he's heavily involved in politics. also i heard that at the time of operation bluestar, when the army was there and gave em a warning to come out and surrender or the bombing will start...Bhindrawale of course didn't come out, BUT Longowal, Badal and Tohra came out and surrendered like cowards. Longowal was latered killed by someone when Longowal went to a gurdwara and was doing matha tek. now, i've heard this story a few times, but someone correct me because now i'm not absolutely sure if the other 2 guys were Badal and Tohra, but I'm pretty sur e it was them with Longowal.

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I recieved the following in an email from a friend, just thought I'd share this with ya'll. We were researching on the meaning and purpose of "Rahau" in Gurbani ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gur Fateh! While a lot has already been said by me on this subject, but I do want to extrapolate on the importance of being fully aware of all aspects of Gurbani while interpreting and in the process even challenge the most accepted forms of past interpretations. Let me talk on one aspect of Gurbani interpretation and how the message has been concoted in our sub-conscious mind due to materialist pursuits of some of our keertanias. While I have touched on this subject a few years back on this forum, but I think it is important to go back and use this example to reflect on the topic in discussion. The writing below is not in relation to the shabad "Jan Nanak Bhagat....", which has already been clarified in the past articles.. The aim is to make us aware of being aware of all the pointers while interpreting. Please read below.......... FLOW AND PAUSE IN GURBANI KIRTAN It is important to understand a few terminologies before we proceed further. rahau - While reading through a shabad in Guru Granth Sahib, we find that one line has the word 'rahau' written at the end. Except for raag Majh, we find the m ention of rahau in nearly all the other Bani. Depending on it's type, for example, Chaupada (of 4 lines), Ashtpadi (of 8 lines), etc., a shabad has that many defined lines. Somewhere in the middle or in the beginning of the shabad one line has the word rahau mentioned with the numeral 1. Rahau means 'wait' or 'pause' in Punjabi - "Therau". The Gurus have clearly indicated that, while reading a shabad, pause on this line. Why the pause? Because the line with rahau is the central theme of the shabad. This is the line in which Guru is conveying the topic discussed in the shabad and it contains the Gurmat Vichar, the 'right thought'. Therefore, we are required to pause on this line and contemplate the message. The other lines in the shabad are used to explain/extrapolate the contents of the central theme given in the line of rahau. These other lines (the non-rahau lines) talk about prevalent practices, arguments, reasoning, intention, etc. and are used for strengthening and explaining the Central Theme. The point to note is that the numbering of lines is meanigful: the numbering conveys a definitive message. The message here is: Wait/Pause and contemplate on the message. In this line the Guru is telling us the theme of the shabad. The number 1 of rahau indicates, read this line carefully. Now read the other (non-rahau) line, and correlate it to the message in rahau. Now proceed to the other (Non-rahau) line thereby keep proceeding with all the other lines in a sequential manner. At times, if rarely, we find more than one rahau in a shabad. All the rahaus in that shabad (usually 2,3 or 4) convey the same central theme: reflect on truth. Gurus thought it appropriate to explain the same central theme in different combination of words and therefore gave more than one rahau. asthai - In Keertan, or any music, we find one line keeps getting >repeated time and again. This common line, which is repeated each time after a different line, is known as asthai in Indian classical music, or Chorus in the western music. antra - In Keertan, or any music, after singing the asthai, the repetitive line, a different line is sung and upon its completion the asthai is sung again and then a second different line is sung, followed by asthai. This changing line is known as antra in Indian classical music. The purpose of Keertan is to deliver the Gurus' message sweetly to the listener. As rahau has the central theme of the shabad and contains the spiritual message, its usage, as an asthai is repeated time and again after every antra, which helps in the message getting drilled into the listener's mind. The result is that the Guru's message gets delivered many times while the shabad is being sung. This increases the probability of retention of the central theme, Gurmat Vichar, by the listener's mind. Let us take a very popular shabad from Siri Raag, Page 44, which is sung by raagis during a happy occasion in the family. Most of the Sikhs will remember the shabad by its popularly known line: "Lakh khushiyaan patshahiyaan jey satgur nadar karey .........." It's commonly found that raagis make the above line as the asthai while singing the shabad because of the word khushiyaan (happiness). This line is the second non-rahau line in the shabad and gets commonly used as the asthai while singing. The English interpretation of the shabad is: SRI RAAG, MEHLA V: All happiness is achieved only by Thy Grace. The precious gift of this human life becomes fruitful when one chants the True Word. One who has such destiny written on his forehead enters the Mansion of the Lord's Presence through the Guru. || 1 || O my mind, focus your consciousness on the One. Without the One, all involvlements a re worthless; emotional attachment to a mirage is verily false. || 1 || Pause || Hundreds of thousands of princely pleasures are yours to enjoy if the True Guru bestows a Glance of Grace. If God bestows the Name of the Lord, even for a moment, my mind and body are soothed. Those who have such pre-ordained destiny hold tight to the Feet of the True Guru. || 2 || Blessed is that moment, and fruitful is that time, when one is in love with the True Lord. Suffering and sorrow do not touch those who have the Support of the Name of the Lord. Grasping the seeker by the arm, the Guru lifts them up and out, and carries them across to the other side. || 3 || Embellished and immaculate is that place where the Saints gather together. That person alone finds shelter who has met the Perfect Guru. Nanak builds his house upon that site where there is no death, no birth, and no old age. || 4 || 6 || 76 || If we were to sing this shabad in proper Keertan singing style by making rahau (Mere man eikas sio chit laaye/eikas bin sabh dhund hai/sabh mithiya moh maye) as asthai for repetition, then, upon reaching second antra, the message that will get repetitively delivered to the mind will be that we need to first make an effort to get our mind to focus on One God, give up attachment to maya and emotional entanglements. If we succeed in achieving this state of mind, then, as stated in the second non-rahau line, thousands of pleasures will be attained only if God's Grace falls upon us. Note that the condition (rahau line to be used as asthai) is that we make the effort to rid our mind of attachment/maya, then the result (non-rahau line to be used as antra) is - if Satguru deems it worth then Satguru provides hundreds of pleasures to the devotee. Unfortunately, this shabad is commonly sung by raagis by ma king the non-rahau Line No.2 as the asthai (Lakh khushiyan patshahiyan jey satgur nadar karey....), which gets repeated many a time during the shabad singing. Now see the change in deliverability of the message to our mind. We are seeking from our Guru thousands of pleasures by God's Grace and, upon getting them, we will then strive towards ridding our mind of attachment/maya! Note that by using the non-rahau line as asthai, the condition has changed to: if Satguru deems it worth, then Satguru provides hundreds of pleasures to us and the result (rahau line being used as antra) is that we will make the effort to rid our mind of attachment/maya! By using the non-rahau line in this shabad as asthai, our mind is subconsciously being told to live on HOPE, rather than make the EFFORT, which is the reverse of what the Guru is telling us in this shabad, viz.- Devotee first makes the EFFORT and then HOPE should arise for God's Grace. Interesting, isn't it? We tend to ignore the finer details of Gurus' message, which is so clear. Probably that's the reason why Sikhs of today lack the spirit/spiritual discipline for which our forefathers were known. I hope people will start making the effort of getting the Sikhs in their immediate contact to understand the importance of rahau in Keertan singing and strive towards singing Keertan in the correct manner. Those who are active in Gurudwara Management/teaching Keertan should make it a point to teach the youth only those shabads in which rahau is made the asthai. For a teacher to correct what he has already learnt in so many years is a tough proposition, but he can definitely make an effort to select those shabads from his Keertan bank for teaching the youth/children, in which the rahau is made the asthai. In this way, we may be able to slowly steer in the direction of true deliverance. -------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So...anyone else have any other theory on what "Rahau" means or its purpose in Gurbani? :T:

I like the "Stress Reliever" thread on NEWS/FUN/SPORTS...some good jokes B) keep me laughing ppl

thats silly

D'oh !! (like HOmer simpson says it) I'm not between 8 and 13 @ @

What are your opinions on this? I wish I could kick this guy @ @

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Paradox of life The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints; we spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but less solutions; more medicine, but less wellness. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor. We've conquered outer space, but not inner space; we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; we've split the atom, but not our prejudice. We have higher incomes, but lower morals; we've become long on quantity, but short on quality. These are the times of tall men, and short character; steep profits, and shallow relationships. These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare; more leisure, but less fun; more kinds of food, but less nutrition. These are days of two incomes, but more divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes. It is a time when there is much in the show window and nothing in the stockroom; a time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose to just hit delete. -Author Unknown ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------- don't remember where I got this from but it was somewhere on the internet

you ain't old! have to think about that one for a bit... :T:

o, I know tajvinder, didn't know he goes by gogi His license plate says TABLA4U anyone else gonna input suggestions?

you got nice talent with shayeri amardeep veerji made me also, Rochak veerji also has some mad talents in shayeri