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its the tradition of (nearly) all easteran cultures. people dont folow sikhi to the extent they shud. its basics to know about equality.. its basikly, peoples munmat. what can u do... (ardaas!!!)

krod.... its simple.... see god in the other person.. how?? take (mentaly and maybe fizikaly aswell) take a step bak.. see him as a jot of god. see that he has been corrupted, through no falt of his own. then only do whats nessasory.. neutrilise the situation.become lower.. the mun hates that!! forget you logic. bring gurmat.. its dam hard.but it can be done.. start praktising with random little things you dont like.. like...umm... when people take their shoes in the langar hall.. the sin is rong.. not the person. see god inm all.. its hard, but doable..

iv known a family where the father was a drankarad. he has now passed on. if theres one thing iv learnt, its this. sukhmani sahib does help. god gives the first push. but, u may say, that this push is no where near for your father to stop. if he is a regular heavy drinker, from what you have said, it seems to be the case, he is no where near to quiting.. what to do?? there is a filosofy that i go by. if you cant stop it, substitute it. it= anything... ill tell you this. try this on for syz!! myt jus fit.. or work... your father prob goes out and comes back at nyt... when he comes back, let him see you doing your paat.. >> paat isnt majic, just like amrit aint majic.<< roti, aint gona come flying from the clouds.. we must puk, (make) the roti.. a FIZIKAL intermediate.. the effectof the sukhmani sahib and paat in general will take effect, but a fizikal intermediate is needed.. oviously, your father MAY disturb you, but you just sit there. keep your dhiaan at one place.. dont let it move.. v imprtnt.... your father may shout, or even get fizikal... keep satkaar of your gutka sahib, but dont stop saying it out loud.. keep doing it out loud. if your father is like most ppl that get drunk, it sticks for a few weeks to a few months, and then they get sober. when he gets sober, the assar of the paat,hopefully will taek effect. you father may start to drink less as he may realise that he will be disturbing you.. whether he is relegious or not, he should respect what your doing as, he does what he wants,so can you... i.e. paat. keep paat in the house ongoing.. do toonf in the house (dhoop!) and amrit da chitta... make it a peaceful abode.. soif he does make kalesh, he will realise it him self..and may start doing it less.. may not stop, but in due time.. btw, this change, if you do decide to take on bord what im saying, may tkae himback and he may do summing like hit the toonf dawn. or suming.. but dont stop. u want to change somones life.. its not easy. and it dont come about jus lyk that. u know this oviously.. ask for seva from your father. a massarge. breakfast.. how you want him to be, treat him like that.. and wen you make his food, do naam simran and chaupi sahib... keep that spiritual syd in him looking at the lyt. his aatma will look. he may not want to show it.. but it will look. it will play on his mind, and thats what you want it to do .. to make him start thinging at least. be the change you want to see in the world.. sggs says this.. first inside, then it will shine outsyd. so,make it shine. make your house shine! and maybe, guru willing, he will start to shine better than he is shining now. if its in his karam to go thru this, and for u to gothrough this, then so be it.. but, rip the karam with naam!!!! make yur own karam! guru willing!! thats the kharag to use!!! forgive my mistakes.. if iv sounded bit upfront.. waheguru ji ka khalsa khalsa ji, gurfateh!

gurfateh saad sangat jeeo! during the day, on top of your normal nitnem, 3-5 extra chaupies is the new target. lets do the benti to god. gurfateh!

gurfateh hate to say this, but iv been in the same situation.. 1. i am not here to tell you what to do.. you WILL make the final choice. 2. if you decide to say, ok, lets be with her, you will think, 'but i love her, she is so good and brings happines to my mum' and such things. you will FORCE yourself to see the good side. (which is what you need to do hum nahi chungae bura nahi koe..) the only thing with this, is that this 'problem' will always be in your marrige. it will come up in arguments, whether it be spoken or in your mind.. you will (in the sense) be continously be punishing her forever... there will be no EQUALITY. this equality thing is the biggest problem.. 6-8 months down the line, if you have done somthing that is bad, you will(may) start to say to her, well, 'u aint exactly an angel'.. this equality thing wont be there... and gess what.. you think u are hurting now,, the longer you leave it, the more you will love her.. and then,... all that love will change into hurt.. and that nearly killed me... i went to hospital.. (but!! gurkirpa im ok!!!!) this is what you need to be aware of... and not to mention wen you have kids and one of them turns around and says 'well mum dun this n that'. there are so many probs... BUT! if you do deal with it, and can deal with it,, u will always have the upper hand cus she will see that you have accepted the un acceptible! so in the relationship, u will be better than her. (in the unspoken conversations that is there in every couple.) and you also may think ' if my guru can forgive her, who am i to not forgiv her'?? this is another way of dealing with it if u decided to get marrid to her... 3. if you decide to BREAK it off, make sure u dont do it in anger or anything like that... you need to start looking at her just like any other girl... u dont owe her anything, and this will stop you thinking about her.. cus its hell wen 1 thing dont stop circling around in your head.. all in all, its alot more problems than goodness. and the problem will NEVER, NO MATTER how much you put it in the back of your head, will never go away.. so be careful.. the choice is up to you.. i suggest take bout a week off,from EVERYTHING, go to shri lanka or sonthing!! and THINK about what you want, what you can handel, and what you would like... i wish you all the best khalsa ji...you have my love. gurfateh..

har karanhaarang, namaskarrang!!! seheskriti salork!! this from gurbani.. now, from me... god can take any form.. so if god chooses a form in which he chooses to eat the banna, there is bound to be a banana that the FORM chosen by god wont be able to eat the banana!!! hows that?? crap? i think so.. but is does make sense..

gurfateh dude!!! i agree with what you are saying.. but, in the world of science everything starts from an assumption.. its just how science, (kaljug era!!) works. lets say that there are only 2 vector quantities acting on the bullet that has been shot.. the forward force exerted by the gun on the bullet, AND the downward force of gravity.. for the bullet that was dropped, only the downward force of gravity.. (gravity has the value of 9.81 ms^-1 :lol: ) lets take away the gravity. what will happen?? the bullet that was droped (but now, will never actualy drop!,), will stay exactly where it is.. the bulled fired, will continue forever.. (dont forget! only 2 forces acting on thin bullet!! no resistance!! dum hassel of resistance!!) so now, bring gravity into the picture/equation/cenerio, what happens?? every second, BOTH bullets will will fall 9.81 meters.. EVERY SECOND! das quik!!! so if this happens, both willhit the ground at exactly the same time.. NOW! I WILL SAY THIS!!! i have used logic to prove that people dont reely exist, when bam!! look!! i can see u!! (well not you-you, but u no wot i mean..) iv proved alot of things using logic... 2=1 and 1-1=1 and 0=infinity and such things. this is a secret btw in how to win arguments and debates!!!! and i made it up and it works!!! so what have i learned from this??? just because all steps to any outcome are correct, it doesent mean that the outcome is actually correct. this is one of my laws.. (yes iv made laws...) its called "Simjis law". so the next question is, where??? where is it rong from?? and its normally, the assumption... but in some cases iv found logic in the steps leading to an outcome to be correct, but ridiculous! thats it!!! lesson?? take everything with a pinch of salt.. and JAP NAAM!!! :D naam proven to exist be quantom entanglment and the M theory. (derrived from the 5 string theories of theoretical fiziks!!!) gurfateh!! no.. we need sleep to keep sane... we sleep , one of the reasons anyway, to sort out the information of the day/time in our lives.. it is another way that we do swari of our body..the same way we eat and drink..

^^^^^^^^^^^^ way too set in our ways are we??!!!! :BL:

no time limits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we dont want people to look at the clocks!!! THIS SAYS IN BANI! o well..... the main aim is to do it before our NITNEM... lets doit with the time limits then.... ready... go!!

what i will say is this... you show a picture of a boy and a girl together, just looking at each other, ppl will say, its haram and say they are in love. what they may not know is the underlying things.. they have ease droped.. ur parents have ease dropped into your life.. there is no bright side!! they will think whatever they want.. and ges wot? they wont listen to you.. you cant please everyone. things will have to get worse, (nearly always, worse than you expect), before they get better.. therefore, you will get to a point where you will say, 'u think what you wana think, i no i am not in the wrong.' i will add, its not right to be in places of nasha.. not even guru gobind singh jiz horse would go in a ganja field! so tobaco, alcohol, its all nasha... it does have an effect on the mind.. it does condision your mind.. you are DEFINITLY more likely to swear or do summin rong in that kind of environment... but i aint ere to giv u a lecture!!! it is your life. people will guide you if u look for them. (in the right places!) the rest is up to you!! :rolleyes: gurfateh dude!! :TH:

That won't make you a gurmukh. yep. it wont make you a gurmukh, but it is the nishaan of hu we are.. there are loads (loads!!) of gurbani saing about gurmukh and gursikh. with amrit, (in this context,) amrit can bee looked on as a gift from our guru. it helps us achieve our avasta in our selves. it greatly hellps us grow spritualy. in gurbani, from what i have gathered from my guru, is that, first, anyone can reach god. they must do good things.. like rom rom simran and basicly jup the naam of the lord. so a non amritdhari can be a gurmukh. there are gurmukhs from even other relegions. i have seen this.. even monae.. but gurmukh have uptaken gurmat, and 'pushed away' (tiaag) their own mat. (manmat). a gurmukh is one hu lisens to the lord, and nothing else.. (therefore riding himself to attachment to the world, himself, and all else that is not gurmat) we are human. with this punj pootak sareer. it is dam hard for us to reach any 'level. this is why we have the gift of amrit. to help us see god and speak goodness. and the most inportent, to help us open our dasam dwaar.. so gurmukh does not = amritdhari. but being amrit dhari helps. alot... y?? gurmat!!! das y! pul chul maaf gurfateh..

very nice post!! and,......... its true!! gurfateh!!

as far as i no, hindu karas are not karas as we know them to be.. hindus wear a kara with a break in the circle. this is one thing.. or reason. the second is that pundits say for the people that go to them to wear some silver as it will protect them... or somthing.. so this is when they may buy the kara as we know.. but the proper 'hindu kara is the one with the break in the circle...

gurfateh.. if you want to know more about sikhi, firstly, u have the internet!! masses of info! (but be careful of misleading information.) secondly, get the sikh rehet maryadha online.. read this as a good base for things.. (but keep in mind that when it says dont eat halal meat, it reely means no meat at all!) u no, not an hour ago, i was havin a convo with an aunti and we both agreed that people in india are goin away from sikhi at an alarming rate.. nice to be proved wrong once in a while! spread sikhi through example aswell, thats the best way. dont say, do this and that, lead by example.. just thought i would say this aswell!!! gurfateh!

gurfateh!! first id like to say, when we were born into a sikh family it was already decided for us by god that we are to follow guru maharaj. jot of 10 gurus. meaning, amrit shuk and follow sikhi. we must do rorm rorm simran. -----pick up energy and vibrations through out spiritual antena and then we start with rorm rorm simran.(basikly means saying waheguru with every hair) in this tuk of bhagat kabir is highlighting some things. 1. when you are in love with god, engrosed in god and all that, all duality passes. good-bad, light-dark, cut-uncut hair and so forth. there is onlyone thing left......>>ONE<< . 2. another way of looking at this can be asit was said above, that, "show" counts for "ZERO" in sikhi. (pakhandi and such things..) 3. whatever you do, DONT FORGET THE BIGGER PICTURE. why we are here. it also says that >> washing yourself fizikly doesent wash your sins or doesent stop bad things (karam) happening to you.. (muslims say if you stay in a state of cleminess then goasts wont come to you. and this says that washing yourelf, like a bath, doesent stop these things. NAAM does) so does this mean that we will now say we are going to stop having a bath???!!!! no! bhul chuk maaf..

hello saad sangagt jeeo. lets start the kammai!! this is a wiked post. this proves (for the most part) that working toward a goal does pay off. :read: good post from the origional poster! i will add and say, i am going to do at least 5 mins (i can hope!!!) or untill the hearts is content, of naam simran.. >>moolmanter and gurmanter<< AS dasAm PAtshah jees bani is full of shakti.. thank u all... gurfateh!

i think we should do both shabad hazaraes... punjavi and dasmi... wen are we gona start then??? and are u lot gona do a chek box?? what ever we decide to do, must hurry up! todays the start day!!

now that we have got into the swing of things, i think that we should do 1111 or 111 (depending of the length of the bani) over the period of a month.,... saad sangat jeeo, wot do u say?

i knew chaupi sahib will be the most popular!! yesssssssss!!!! so wots for next week????

i dont reely know how to do this kind of post!! :6 if we do the chaupi sahib it will oviously hav to be benti chaupi all the way up to the aril, chaupi ko kehe. wont people object to doing the 'kirpa kari hum par jug mata' bit?? but if we do the chaupi it will be good for our pronuncations!!! (22 and still cant spell!! aarrrh!!!) i vote 5 full ful chaupi sahibs...

i personally believe equality is one of our relegions greatest assets.. to say a 'woman belongs in the kitchen' is not equality. this is why women in sikh history have been alocated with the same 'jobs' if u will, as the men! BUT!! there are alocated sevas by god to us.. like y is there not (alot of) women in sri harmander sahib doing the paat? when mai bhago went and fought, she fought when the men didnt... SO!! in the absence of men, women will have to run things, in the absence of women, men must do the things. BUT. when there in no absence of either, a natural thing comes about. like women cook, look after the house etc, then the husband does the kamai for the life, to live in the house.. BUT! in THIS day and age, both men and women work. so the duty MUST be split... regards to food, i PERSONALLY would perfer a woman to prepare my food, y??? women (can be sed to... ) have naturally more daya and piyaar.. and men can be sed to have more shakti. ( i am thinkin of the first amrit sunchaar...) so this is what i think... in a nutshell >>in the absence of the oposite-sex, you must fulfill that duty aswell as your own..<<< a split is needed in this day and age. back to equality!¬!!

Everyone voted is going to do an extra Japji Sahib paath daily for the next 7 days. yep but wot bout the next week?? like the 14th??

gur fateh to all!! luks like iv just got here in the nik of time!! so wot are we gona do next week??? im excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :PT: :goodpost: need patients now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gur fateh!! this is the sort of thinking that leads to people saying that god told them to do somthing wrong!! we make the efort, decision to do the jaap. then god helps us complete that!! all we have to do is take 1 step, do want to do the jaap and sit down, then god takes korrrrrrt steps towards us and makes us do his jaap! gurfateh!

we cannot say they keep no rehet but we should say that their rehet that they keep, has less in it.. did u no that one 'level' so to speak above amrit dharis are pharladharis /? they have an amazing rehet.. 40 to50 NITNEM BANIS a day.. NIT!!!!!!!!! NIT!!!!! EVERY DAY!! CAN WE DOTHAT?? are we any different than these pharladharis??no. they just have more in their rehet.. gurfateh.

fateh saad sangat ji, as being a sewadaar of gnnsj, the same bata is not used. there are three bata sizes if u will.. the main one, bout 3-5 45cm batas from which the amrit from the mainbata is transfered to and THEN USING A KARSHI, poured into the next batas..these are bour 15 cm in diameter..ifu amrit shak, u stand up and have if from ANY 45cm diameter bata. if not,u sit and wait then the 45cm bata comes to you and then u shak it, take prashaad then go.. for non amritdharis, iv herd theres a charge that is felt after the 'choola'. and for amritdharis, topups are needed!!! this is y wedo the 5bania in each morning. we are making the amrit inside us so the amrit can keep us. now,a jugti.. y do u think sant mahapursh say, fill a glass of water and then do your paat at amrit vela,then shuk the water??!! now, with this in mind, imajine the amrit that is presented to you as the choola. prepared by the 5 piyaare themselves!! and then you shuk that... its the samething.. we as amritdharis prepare amrit each day, and take it in ourselves.this is y we must not miss our nitnem.. another thing, wen the akhand paat is happening, a pateela of water is put there. then after the akhand paat, it becomes amrit. and given in the langerhall to the sangatji. i hopeiv cleared up some stuff.. gurfateh!