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It's very difficult these days to pinpoint who is carrying out what in india. Through deception many organisation and govt's do proxy war... its a very useful strategy thats been tried and tested ever since mankind has been able wage war against each other. You carry out a terrorist attack blame it on your enemy and you have a justification to hit them back. RIP to the innocent victims.

sukh ka-o maagai sabh ko dukh na maagai ko-ay Everyone begs for happiness; no one asks for suffering sukhai ka-o dukh aglaa manmukh boojh na ho-ay But in the wake of happiness, there comes great suffering. The self-willed manmukhs do not understand this sukh dukh sam kar jaanee-ahi sabad bhayd sukh ho-ay Those who see pain and pleasure as one and the same find peace; they are pierced through by the Shabad. ||5|| ------------- Find a quite place, listen to shabad.. and stay in Chardi kalha everyone has these kind of struggles in life. Lots of people are trapped in jobs they wish not to be in, mayb its a sign for you to try some further educational course or start your own business.

I would disagree with you there sister.... because I only bow down and owe my spiritual allegience to SGGS ji and waheguru and no where in SGGS ji does it state one must keep hair. SGGS ji is the only Guru ji we should seek advise from...it is the eternal guru, we follow only its hukhm not hearsay what might have been said by other guru's but not written down. So if SGGS does not explictly state one must keep hair to be considered a Sikh then we can conclude that its not mandetory. A Khalsa and a Sikh are two different entities. Khalsa's have their own rehit, as do nihungs, as do naamdhari's, as do various other orders within Sikhism. Hair or lack of it does not make one a sikh or not a sikh, its a ridiculous concept... but it does have spiritual and humbleness connetations. I give this example it is better a Sikh is off the heart than of the apperance because I would rather trust a Sikh who is pure of heart than one who pretends to be one dressed up in a keshdhari/amrithdari bana but acting like a thug (ie indian / punjab police terrorist black cat units of the 1980/90s).

That was not a Muslim who made the account ,as a muslim would not call Sikhs Mullahs or call Bhindranwale Ali ,and show him with a shaved beard and green turban It was a muslim because he was abusing hindu's too. Have a look for a video called hindu rat worshipping on youtube.. and you'll see his comments abusing hinduism too. Either way he shouldnt be abusing any religion, but then against what do you expect from a child whose parents are scum.

<h1 class="heading">Hardeep Singh Kohli goes in search of identity</h1> <h2 class="sub-heading padding-top-5 padding-bottom-15">The multi-faceted celeb chef and TV presenter talks about God and Glasgow, and why he cooked toad-in-the-hole in India</h2> John Naish div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } Who exactly is Hardeep Singh Kohli? The turban-toting presenter, comedy scriptwriter and amateur celeb-chef this week publishes his travelogue of a journey through India spent cooking traditional British meals for local people in an attempt to disentangle his deeply mixed sense of identity. Now he says he feels just as confused as ever. And after a whirlwind encounter with the world of Singh Kohli, I have to say that, frankly, I'm not surprised. We meet at the heart of media-luvvy East London, at the Shoreditch House private club, where the likes of Mackenzie Crook hang by the snazzy bar to say “hi”. Singh Kohli, 39, has rapidly become a fixture in our media firmament: he is a presenter on the BBC One hit programme The One Show; regularly appears on Newsnight Review clad in turban and kilt; wrote the Channel 4 ethnic-comedy hit Meet the Magoons; and has presented Newsnight Review, Radio 4's Saturday Live, Midweek and The Food Programme. To cement his meeja status (and his culinary credentials) he was also a runner-up on Celebrity Masterchef. It's a world a way from his Glasgow upbringing as a child of immigrant parents from Indian stock, who worked their way out of a tiny tenement flat into middle-class comfort. On the way up Singh Koli endured ostracism because of his race, was privately schooled by Jesuits, nearly died from a paralysing infection, adopted the turban despite his parents' advice and his brother's derision, and learnt by rote the scripts of comedy greats such as Morecambe and Wise. It is, in spice terms, quite some masala mix. During our time together, I counted at least five identities: the media operator; the religious conscience; the Indian seeker; the flash dude with the Jag convertible; and the confused kid. All wrapped up in a large, somewhat cuddly frame, snappily topped and tailed by a purplish turban and box-fresh calfskin slip-ons, with a flamboyant floral shirt and matching hankie in-between. <h3 class="section-heading">Background</h3> The art of darkness: Sir Antony Sher The Joy of Sex: why you need help in bed David James: Ready to save the world Thompson: why politics is too much trouble Are you an over-protective parent? Singh Kohli's literary quest is a rather comedic attempt to explore our multi-ethnic, global-village era. The cooking itself wasn't a vital ingredient, he acknowledges, but “a mechanism to unlock doors to people who might be able to shed some light on who I am”. Which is fortunate because his amateur culinary effort, which took him to cook fish cakes with a beach-shack vendor, serve shepherd's pie to the Delhi elite and proffer toad-in-the-hole to a relative in Bangalore, was hardly an unqualified success. Indeed, it vindicated the argument that if British cooking was so great, then Britain wouldn't be full of Indian restaurants. When I ask him to sum up, in word, how the cooking side of the trip went, he says: “Badly... I am used to people enjoying my food, in a very homecooked way. It's quite difficult to cook for people who prove indifferent. What's worse is when people respond with disingenuous politeness. “There were elements of that all over the place. In Bangalore it was heartbreaking when my cousin just took a bite of my food and ordered a prawn curry from the waiter instead. Or there was the sous chef in Kovalum, where I started the journey, who could not understand why the f*** I was bothering.” He doesn't look too upset, though. He sits relaxed on a large sofa, holding a steadily confident gaze. There's a lot of alpha-guy testosterone sloshing about there. He feels that the trip had its emotional high spots, too. “One of the most successful moments was in Goa, by the Arabian Sea, with this guy Mamallapuram at his beach café. I realised that there is a universal simplicity about being a man, the shared silence of men. Those fish cakes were pretty bloody good, too.” Singh Kohli ended his trip by cooking a rather unEnglish goat curry at his ancestral home in the Punjab. Was this the end of the search? “I went to India with a set of questions and, instead of coming back with a set of answers, I came back with a different set of questions,” he says. “This truly is the beginning of the search. I have just had the most turbulent year of my life. My personal life has been turned upside down. I don't want to talk about that... Well, I split up with my wife last year. I guess [he mutters, more to himself than me] I should get used to talking about that.” This sudden flash of vulnerability seems incongruous, but Singh Kohli, a father of two children, a girl, 15, and a boy, 10, says he has long been troubled by doubts about his selfhood. “I got to my late thirties and felt very Scottish and British but was not sure about what the rest of the country felt about me,” he says. “I was also nervous about being accused of being what we as kids used to call a coconut - you know, brown on the outside but white on the inside. From the trip I realised that I'm British. I'm from here. This is where history begins for me. But I am linked through my family to another place.” He began constructing his own distinct identity while at St Aloysius' College, the private Jesuit school in Glasgow. He decided to embrace his Sikh heritage by growing his hair and wearing the turban. He was 13. “When I was looking for an identity the strongest one I could see was my father's. Both my father and my mother advised me against wearing a turban. They said it was such a heartache and pain. But it's who I am. I love being a Sikh from a Sikh family,” he declares. “From the Jesuits there was a degree of resistance when I took up with the turban. But if you force people to say things about you and what you're doing, that opens their own beliefs up to scrutiny.” His younger brother Sanjeev, another comedy writer and performer, is sceptical of Hardeep's spirituality, telling The Sunday Times in April: “I don't think he's particularly a strong Sikh religiously. It's as much to do with his pride in his culture, pride in being a bit different. I slag him off about it, about how the last time he was in a temple, 2 Unlimited were in the charts.” Singh Koli is less than pleased by this. “I'll have to have a word with that boy. My younger brother is a complete atheist,” he says, adding: “A lot of the way I look is quite Sikh, but I don't go to temple every week and I don't grow my beard long. There is more to religion than believing in God. The thing that has stayed with me is the cultural values of being Sikh.” A misfit and sense of difference He acknowledges, too, that even within Sikhism he still feels a misfit: “I have not met many Sikhs who share my interests. I love cooking, shopping, clothes, buying new shoes and football, and I love working.” His sense of difference was bolstered in his teens when he contracted Guillain-Barre syndrome. “It's sort of like meningitis. I was paralysed from the chest down. That was a life-changing event. I just woke up one morning and could not walk. They did not know what it was. I was playing rugby then. My dream was to be the first Sikh to play for my country. That was ruined, but I made a miracle recovery by all accounts. When I recovered, I felt emboldened, blessed.” Instead of rugby stardom, Singh Kohli decided that his blessed path to fame lay through comedy and showbiz. And for this, he says, he can thank the formative influence of Glasgow. “There's a lot of funny and creative people who have come from Glasgow, Billy Connolly for instance. So Glasgow has made me what I am. And Dad cleverly gave us books and tapes of the likes of Morecambe and Wise, the Two Ronnies, Fry and Laurie, and my brother and I would learn it all and dissect it.” Despite his assiduous pursuit of success, Singh Kohli claims that there is one part of his identity he would gladly abandon. “I never wanted to be well-known. I did not want fame. I don't like being called a celeb. I never wanted to be on TV, that came and found me,” he stresses. “It's not what I signed up for. Our culture's spiritual problems are shown up by our worship of celebrity. And the juggernaut of celebrity is out of control. In my day, people were famous because they were good at something, not just because they were famous. We are losing good scientists, artists, plumbers because they just want to be famous. There is a sense that being famous is a panacea. It's not.” And with that, the interview proper is over. Singh Kohli has to rush to the theatre. Kindly he offers me a lift, and we trot off in search of his car, which turns out to be a gleaming new Jaguar. It's hardly self-effacing, particularly when he presses the button to fold back the roof, before revving off into the London City traffic past his newly adopted home of celeb-central Clerkenwell. I ask what's next in his career quest. “Maybe another book, lots of work for Radio 4, maybe opening a restaurant. I want to do more and bigger TV. And I want to do meaningful things. I have a genuinely exciting life. I'm never in the same place from day to day. I don't know what country I will be in during the next month.” He seems in quite a rush to do it all. “I'm in a hurry because I'm greedy,” he laughs. “And I'm the child of an immigrant. I will carry on working until the day I die.” Indian Takeaway: One Man's Attempt to Cook His Way Home (Canongate, £16.99) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_...icle4681954.ece

Was looking through youtube and came across a profile with this website url on it. http://www.sikhcourse.com/ looks good, we need more type of awareness projects/courses like this.

My understanding of this is... Patit Sikh = keshdhari or amrithdari who has cut their hair. Sahajdhari Sikh = mona sikhs or sikhs who have always shaved/cut hair or slow adapters of khalsa bana

All familes argue... if you didnt argue and have different ways/views on things it would be abnormal. So dont worry about it... just talk to your parents find out whats the main issues and try to help in resolving them.

He is typical scummy type of uk born pakistani muslim male who unfortunately has been raised by scummy parents.

I think problem lies in no mixing between turbanned sikh men and women. Solution is simple... if your keshdhari /amritdhari Sikh (male/female) and you shouldnt be restricted in forming relationships with a Sikh counterpart of the opposite gender as long as it is not sexual..... if things become serious and thinking about sleeping with each other then best to get married to each other even if it is against parents wishes who usually want some stupid ideal of a person to come from same caste, richer family, etc. Too many parents are too strict on their kids and wonder why they have secret relationships with non-sikhs bringing bigger bezthi on their family name than any anti-sikh caste related issues.

There is always tension here and there but not on the scale it was back in the 1980s when islamic extremist groups (hizb-u-thair and al-mahajaroun) were active and were preaching violence towards non-muslims in college campuses and uni's openly. Only then did you see major tension and violence between muslims and sikhs mainly in west london, birmingham and slough. This sunny hundal has been exposed as a self publishing sensationalist and doesnt represent anyone in the sikh community.

Nothing new there, British muslims (who are sunni/deobandi/<Edited> inclined) are very easy led to hate non-muslims and are easily incited to violence by twisted imans and mullah's who have political ambitions. Mainstream Islam fundamentally is more political than spiritual... the aspirations are for global domination and implemention of 7th century sharia law (stoning of adulterers, cutting of hands, beheadings, 4 witnesses to prove a woman is raped,etc). But like all religions it does have a spiritual side like prayer/devotion to one God, which Sikhism agree's with. The main thing that lets Islam down is seperatism.. ie teaching in sciprtures its adherants to not mix or be friends or to treat non-muslims with respect or equally to that of how they would treat a muslim. In Sikhism were taught in scriptures to treat every human being irrespective of caste, religion, gender, race, etc the same. IF one should discriminate or judge a person it should be basis of their character not anything else.

Just do that copyright thingy on it. Theres a few video's on there that need to be taken off mostly to do with operation blue star and that t*at general brar. Maybe you'd like to organise some facebook group thing to fight online anti-sikh propaganda and make it for computer literate members only?

Bro to put it openly...in this day and age most of our punjabi/desi women dont honour, guard or respect their bodies until marriage as they used to in previous generations, temptation is everywhere. It is far easier for women to fall into the trap of cheating because many men try it on them wheras most women wont come onto a man. So my advice would be never get involved with someone who you dont know everything about, always have other options so that you are not devestated if like in your case things dont work out. In time you will find someone who truely respects you and respects themself and will never compramise you for someone else..... put it down to a harsh learning experience. Karma will eventually catch up on her, I've known girls who like to be players but now cant find a decent desi/punjabi guy who will marry them because of the reputation they have got.

Very good analysis in that article, but it fails to point out who benefits and who is pushing the agenda for america/nato to confront russia in its own backyard. American govt and its military doesnt do things because one day they feel like owning someone else's land, people behind the scenes are pushing for confrontation so that they can benefit financially and bring forth about a new order in society or globally.

Some brothers from UAE on this forum, i believe know about him but dont know exactly where in dubai he lives. I think this case should be taken up by Sikh organisations worldwide because it is clear he thinks he is immune from consequences. He has big plans to have him and his friends pose as hindu's go to a gurdwara and start attacking Sikhs then run away before police comes (all on mobile fones)... which he hopes will make Sikhs and Hindu's hate and fight each other in dubai and then the police cracking down on them chucking them in jail.

http://antisikh.blogspot.com A video of him phyiscally bullying sikh kids is on that site.

Too many females think they can do what they like once they reach a certain age that what they get upto at uni or wherever doesnt effect no body. What they dont realise we all have responsbilities. And we can enjoy ourselves, have our fun but in the end when we get to a certain age we will have to pay for it with the consequences of our foolishness. Some catch STD's, some become drunks, some druggies and some bring reckless loose their way in life. I recall one example where my distant cusin sisters who everyone thought were good girls, started to reveal their antics on sites like hi5, facebook, myspace. Pic's of them drunk, with legs in air naked, getting touched up by random men. All these things were collected and used as evidence against their character when they were questioned by their grandmum who nearly had a heart attack seeing what they got upto. We must realise what we do not only effects us in the long term but also family who raised you and will be betrayed and your furture partner who will hold it against you if any arguments arise in your martial life.

Seeing the geo-political games the united states, european union and russian federation are playing. Could we see a global war break out over russia vs georgia war, which was provoked by georgia. I believe georgia is acting as proxy agent on behalf of America to provoke russia into a massive reponse by conducting attackings on its rebel pro russian regions. The hypocrisy of western media and govt is breath taking, i was seeing russian tv online today and it shows 90% of rebel region is pro-russian its like same situation that Nato did to serbia to "liberate" kosovo from seribian / russian rule and influence. The american strategist neo-con's and their financial funders the likes of rothchilds,etc are playing a dangerous game.

Sanjay dutt is taking lead role, this will be a film worth waiting for.

Riot vans sent to Sikh temple after women denied vote Dozens of police in riot vans were called to a disturbance at a Sikh temple - after women were denied the right to vote.Trouble flared when 79 women were refused entry to vote in management elections at Bristol Sikh Temple on Sunday morning. Worshippers began jostling each other and a pack of women surrounded a man's car and attempted to roll it over. Police in riot vans were called to a disturbance at Bristol Sikh temple - after women were denied the right to vote Six riot vans were dispatched to close the road in Fishponds, Bristol, and one man was arrested and cautioned for a public order offence during the seven-hour stand-off. Voting finally finished at 4pm and resulted in three women being voted onto the management committee for the first time in the temple's history. Shopkeeper Paul Mathew , 52, who runs J and V Fine Foods 50 yards from the temple said: "It was terrifying. There were skirmishes and people pushing each other. "A man caused trouble inside the temple then it spilled out onto the street. "Women were blocking his car and trying to push it over while he was still inside clinging to the steering wheel. "It was very frightening. People were jostling and using threatening words to each other. "Women were shouting abuse at men and they were retaliating but I couldn't understand it because it was in their own language." The dispute centres on two warring factions in the temple's 650-strong membership over whether women should take part in elections. The situation came to a head when 79 women turned up to vote on Sunday morning. Their opponents said they were not entitled to vote because they had not registered in advance. Voting was due to start at 10am but it was delayed until midday when Chief Inspector Rob Dean of Avon and Somerset police arrived to mediate between the two sides. One frightened elderly neighbour who watched the drama from her living room window said: "I saw a crowd of mainly women and children stood on one side of the road and men on the other. "They were fronting each other up and shouting abuse across the road. The women were screaming 'we're not going anywhere'. "It was really quite heated and there was a big scuffle of people that looked like it was going to turn nasty. "There have been rows before that have spilled out onto the streets form the temple but never as big as this one." The fracas ended at around 5.30pm and when votes were counted three female candidates Anita Kaur, Sheila Kaur and Narinder Kaur, were elected to the management committee for the first time. Temple spokesperson Satjeevan Kaur said the election was an historical moment for Sikh women in Bristol. She added: "We are going to be equal to men and to make decisions equal to the men. Jagbir Singh, 51 from Horfield, is a committee member at the temple and has been involved with it since 1977. He said: "This is the first year we have ever had women voting at the temple but now a lot of extra women have come down at the last moment, after the end of the agreed time period for registration. "A lot of time and effort has gone into this and it's been done very fairly." Chief Inspector Dean said: "The elections were delayed for a variety of reasons and we have been involved in trying to help both parties through the negotiations. "There are allegations of malpractice on both sides and our issue is to ensure that it doesn't come to violence. "There are 650 registered members at the temple and, while this isn't an issue of the community against the police, there are two factions of the community here who can't reconcile their differences."

I hope his death wont go in vain and he will inspire millions of Sikhs to follow their dreams in what ever field they excel in. I'm sure his memory will inspire many Sikh youngsters to become talented gifted singers such as he was. RIP = Rest In Peace

Sikhs are too comfortable at the moment thats the problem. When <banned word filter activated> its the fan only then sikhs take action, when they should be at the forefront and be proactive against anti-sikh activities and individuals. Im amazed KPS Gill, julio riberio,etc and their families are still alive especially for their leadership in sanctioning state terrorism by using convited criminals and black cat terrorists in the guise of sikh seperatists and inflicting crimes against innocent people of punjab. Beant "govt state terrorist" singh was taken out for his crimes against sikhs, why is this scum bag and sajjan kumar and that other fool still alive... im amazed. It only takes one Sikh ready to sacrifice his life to take these nobs out, we in our history have had many brave Sikh souls who have punished the guilty by sacrificing their lives. I think give a few 2-3 years and Sikhs of India will have regained the hunger for militancy, when they see justice still hasnt been done for 1984 anti-sikh genocide + this dera baba ramhim congress backed fool.

lmao @ Atul Chatterjee what a name, is this dude for real. Let the dogs bark, todays news will be yesterdays chip paper wrap.

Boy killed as ‘dera’ chief opens fire Bipin Bhardwaj Tribune News Service Mehatpur (Jalandhar), July 29 A boy was killed and a woman injured when a “dera” chief opened fire at the agitators from the Balmiki community who were protesting his alleged remarks against Maharashi Balmiki at Balloki village, 5 km from here, this morning. After the death of the boy on the spot, the agitators set afire a Tata Qualis parked in the courtyard and all household goods of the dera. The police party reportedly reached the spot late. People pelted it with stones leaving five policemen, including SP (headquarters) Satinder Singh, injured. The eyewitnesses said the trouble started when dera chief Gursharan Singh allegedly made some observations against the Maharishi during his discourse at the dera. Certain listeners asked the baba to take back his words. However, the baba repeated his remarks which lead to an altercation between him and the protesters. The baba rushed inside a room and brought out his .12-bore gun. He opened fire at the agitating crowd. An onlooker, Manpreep Singh, alias Mani, a Class VIII student, was hit in the abdomen and he died on the spot. The crowd attacked the dera head, forcing him to open fire again in which a bystander, Usha, sustained bullet injuries on her left thigh. She was taken to the civil hospital, Nakodar. Her condition is said to be stable. Usha said the baba fired at them indiscriminately. The eyewitnesses said the police party cane-charged the protesters who were damaging the dera property. It fired in the air and lobbed teargas shells to disperse the agitating mob. Later, the police whisked away the baba along with a woman, a boy and one of his disciples. Jalandhar deputy commissioner Ajeet Singh Pannu, SSP Pawan Kumar Rai, along with heavy police force, reached the spot and pacified the protesters. The police seized the gun, a .32-bore revolver, 16 cartridges and other weapons and ammunition from the dera. A case under Section 302 of the IPC has been registered against the dera chief. The SHO of the Mehatpur Darshan Singh Randhawa has been placed under suspension and an inquiry ordered into the incident.