randip singh

Are you saying Sikhi believes in a heaven?

Hi Rsingh, I don't know about that but in many Hindu traditions vegetable that have grown in the soil like garlic, onions etc are not to be eaten because the soil has been polluted and so in turn the food.....................what nonsense you say ehh.. ...........but unforyunately we still suffer from some of the "Hindu Hangovers".............................we're still practicing stuff from those days................... ............one of the reasons why some believe Bandha Bahadhur was not a full amritdhari and Bandha Singh Bahadhur, because he too advocated stuff like this too..................... ........all I can say is this goes aagainst the spirit of Sikhi............. :e:

Hi Admin, :wub: The tact you should take is let these racists post on "Jaat" (caste, race, creed, gender etc) and expose them for the anti-Sikh elements that they are.................. :e: ...........We as Sikh are on the path of righteousnes................these morons who state oh I am not a caste but a race (which in Sikh terms is a non-argument) be challenged on Bani and be shown to all members on this forum and others for the fools they are.............. :e: .............just my two cents.............

Might I add Bhaghat Singh despised the racism that castism inspired......................and for that I rate him just for that............. .............I recently went to museum near Namashar that is dedicated to Bhaghat Singh...................he was a true inspiration............................ ......................Mark Tully described Sikhism and religious Socialism................. :e: ...........the priciples of Socialism and Sikhism are the same..........i.e. equality...........but Sikhism emphasises the needed for individual responsibility..................

Depends who giving you the Amrit..........if they are AKJ'rs then yes definitely..................if they are not say Nihung Singh's then there is no such requirement............ :e: ............and remember the bottom line is not meat eating is wrong...........the bottom line is that if you do not feel comfortable eating meat then do not........................if you do then it is Ok.................. :TH:

I take it you mean arguments about caste?.............well those fools have been kicked out...............they all live at jattworld now.................or munmookhworld as I call it.................Sin of Scythia (aka Sunny Sran is one of them).............. The "what-if's" work both ways...........what if the vegetarian way of life is against God's will....................the fact is either way is acceptable.....................eating and not eating meat is NOTHING to do with Sikhism..............however intoxicants that cloud reasoning and judgement are forbidden....................these take you to kaam, krodh, moh , lobh and hankaar.............. .............an d do not say meat does.............that is a nonsense that would be more in line with what a Hindu Pandit woulrd say................. I have met many true Gursikhs who eat meat..............yet I have met others who claim to be Gursikhs and are vegetarian and are full of the 5 vices................... Brother................but brother by saying it is wrong for you does not make it wrong for another....................if you cannot live with the consequences of killing an animal then fine............I can respect that.........................BUT do not judge a man who sees no difference between plant life and animal life............. You can survive without procreating.............and becoming a monk too.................there are many things you can survive without...........shall we become ascetics avoiding the world.............. ........again the what-if's swing both ways my friend............. You are saying vegetarianism makes you a better Sikh..........I say no............that does not help either my friend.......... Do you? Would you try and eat wheat raw..........or maybe eat a potatoe raw..............lets get more ridicoulous.............eat seaweed raw ................. .........why would Guruji want to eat lamb raw? It makes no sense................. :wub: I am sure Guruji's sword were splattered many times with human blood of his foes.....................so I think there probably is an image after battle with Guruji and blood.............. .......................as for eating meat.................i don't think Guruji cared either way................ Lets agree to disagree on this.............I sense that you are a good Sikh..............and if vegetarianism keeps you on the straight and narrow then here's looking at you............ :e: Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

For starters, sikh-history.com is not a good site, I have been on their forums, and well, there are better sites, lets just leave it at that, I would avoid that site. Don't look to Sikh history for clues about this topic, look to Guru Sahib and then inside yourself, you will find the answer. Anyone who says that the Gurus ate meat, has no proof to justify it. You can make up a story, but there is no credible proof. Also Meat is not allowed in any place where there is parkhash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji because meat & alcohol are not allowed in the presence of Guru Sahib. Eating meat does not contribute to your spirtiuality, it actually takes away, because you are taking a life to satisfy your tounge. No Sikh Saint ever ate meat. Do the math, eating meat prevents you from being a Sikh. Bul Chuk Maaf. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Dear Mr AKJ sikh-history.com is an excellent site run by Mr Sandeep Singh Bajwa........... .........The moderators there are made up of gursikhs who are vegetarians and non-vegetarians......... ......one thing we all agree on is that eating or not eating meat will not make you a better Sikh especially if you have Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh and Hankaar in your heart and mind............. .........the reason why people like you do not like sikh-history.com is that you tried to debate that vegetarianism was an essential/central part of Sikhism..............you were defeated quite comprehensively and your arguments fell by the wayside.......... ...being a vegetarian will not make you a better sikh.............. ....being a meat eater will not make you a better sikh......... ....however being intoxicated out of your mind with nasha that clouds your judgement and lets the 5 vices rise to the surface will definitely make you a bad Sikh............ ...........leave it at that and stop trying to prove things that never were or never occured........... ...........as for Sikhs Saints not eating meat........you are again wrong...........

Veerji........I do not mean Jatt (or Jaat as it is pronounced in Rajhasthan) BUT Jaat or Zaat.................... .................what you are refering to is a racial/caste classification................. ...........I am talking about the generic term "Jaat" which means race, caste, social status, background, ancestry, gender etc............. the point I am trying to get at is that our Sikhs must know Gurmukhi vey well in order to challenge anti0Sikh elements such as Soorma and Son of Scythia (aka Sunny Sran)............... ps Admin I'd watch these fellows closely.................. also if you could put a note in the closed thread about jaat meaning race too................it would be most appreciated............

Sorry folks ..................missed the idiotic rantings of that castist racist Soorma............. Guru Gobind Singh Ji stated For convienince the word Jaat is translated to caste, but it can mean caste, race, background, status........even gender........... ........therefore when an <banned word filter activated> tells you that I don't believe in caste......but I believe in race.......tell him jaat means race, caste, etc.........eg :e: Check out the following topic on sikh-history.com about this................it is hilarious.......... http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...ic;f=1;t=001825 PS Admin keep this post and stress tha word Jaat can mean race..................and Jaat Paat is Manmookhi which is anti-sikh :e:

I had a chance to go to Oxford an turned it down thinking I don't want to become part of the institution.....................how stupid I was in my younger days....... :lol: .......I'v e had to work twice as hard to get where I am..............and guess what Ihad to use another Institution the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors to further my careeer.............. :e: ...........don't be a mug..........go for Oxford...........even if you fail you'll walk into a job.....................but by Waheguru's grace you'll do well.............

The latest thing they are saying is that Guru Hargobind Ji did not introduce warriorism to the Sikh religion................are they nuts.............Miri-Piri is core to our faith............. If that is not the case then why did Guru Angad encourage his Sikhs to take up wrestling and other physical sports.....................the guru's were 10 men but their spirit the same...................what they are saying in efffect that the Guru's message was haphazard and just made up as they went along.................this sounds like what that freak Mcleod said.........

Unbelievable Samosa Singh...................where the hell do you get off insulting the Jatt people............ ............at www.sikh-history.com I personally have fought battles aginst such ignorant comments like this for years................and we have complaints from people like you that Sikhs from Jatt backgrounds don't treat them fairly.........................well if those are the stupid comments you are going to make then who can blame them............... ..............understand this ....................caste/race is a tool used by politicians to gain power.........................especially these self appointed "Pardhans"........................in Kenya the same dirty game was played by Ramgarhia Sikhs.......................and if Sikhi has taught us anything..................two wrongs don't make a right..........

Please pass this message on to as many of the Sikh Sangat as you can............. Thanks!

Hi All, Click on the below link: http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...=9;t=000329;p=1 What has transpired from the above thread is that a site which promotes caste hatred, racism, alcoholism etc has allowed the khandha to appear alongside pornography to...... :lol: ................what do you guys think should be done about such sites.........when people from sikh-history.com protested they were ridiculed and called names............ .........should we organise a petition against these anti-sikh elements..............they have tried to post on sikh-history.com under the guise first as sikhs then christians.............trying to split great Sikhs Saints like Shaheed Baba Deep Singh and Nawab Kapur Singh................ ..............my view is we need to organise against such anti-sikh elements....................the fact the Khandha is on a caste based site is bad enough................but to allow active promotion of Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh and Hankaar is too much.........

This is why I reckon all our women should study martial arts as well as men!.....................

:wub: @ I think I will make more sense talking to my 3 year old nephew judging from some of these backward comments............. .................some of you people have got to accept things that are happening now........:T:......rather than acting like some of these Islamists with their 12th Century views......... ...........sorry if I have offended but it just gets me mad when people assume that just because someone has the Khalsa Roop they must be good and when someone does not they must be mad.............that is shallow man.......... :lol:

HOUSE OF LORDS RULES SIKHS ARE AN ETHNIC GROUP AS WELL AS A RELIGION I just cannot belive some people here........ @ ..........there is a landmark case for Sikhs called the Mandala case that classes Sikhs as an ethnic group as well as a religious group like jews..................check out the following........... http://www.huntinginquiry.gov.uk/evidence/ldfc.htm i. MANDALA & anr. v- DOWELL LEE & anr. (1983) 1All ER 1062 - HOUSE OF LORDS For a group to constitute an ethnic group, it must regard itself and be regarded by others as a distinct community by virtue of certain characteristics some of which are:- i. a long shared history of which the group is conscious. ii. a cultural tradition of it's own including family iii. and social customs - not necessarily associated with religious observance. iv. a common geographical origin. v. a common language not necessarily peculiar to the group. vi. a minority suffering oppression.. vii. such groups can accept converts and as long as they are accepted by the group they are part of it.. viii. a group is identifiable in terms of its ethnic origins if it is a segment of the population distinguished from others by a sufficient combination of shared customs and beliefs, traditions and characteristics from a common or presumed common past, even if not drawn from what in biological terms is a common racial stock.. So next time you get any form which asks for ethnicity.............make su re you put down Sikh in the UK...............we have the law on our sides to back this up............. ...........This case was fought by leading Sikh lights in the UK and you must use it to your advantage........... :lol:

I had to get this one in folks because this fellow in this article is the father of one of my best friends............A massive Sat Sri Akal to the Mundy Family! :lol: :TH: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...show/820071.cms :awesome #1

Brother some good point BUT the Ramgarhias have some explaining to do............. ...........note that it was not the Tarkhans from India who set these Gurudwaras up but the Tarkhans from Kenya who thought Jatts were backward and so did not want to have any Gurudwara association within.................I could be wrong but this is what I have learned........... ...........there was an incessant campaign by Ramgarhias in Leeds to exclude people from Jatt backgrounds from Gurudwara committees........... ...........In anycase...........the Gurudwara in Gravesend where the majority of worshippers are from Jatt backgrounds had a President from Tarkhan backround for many years until he himself stepped down..............Jandu I think his surname was................I could give you many other examples............. ............I'm not saying that Jatts are not bigheaded and do not have faults BUT they haven't called any Gurudwara a Jattdwara.............. ...............I think this is about POLITICS and POWER and using caste as an issue to get what you want..............

The whole issue of having caste/race based Gurudwara's is wrong.............the Ramgarhia's (who are not persecuted like Choorahs and Chamaars) need to explain why they have set up these caste based Gurudwara's........... Brother Deep Singh..............this BS Dhillon is not a professional historian but an Engineer....................most of his theories are based on dead books and defunct theories and reasoning..............the man is a clown................his book is good for a laugh.......... ..........in any case the word "Jaat" is Generic as in Manas Ki Jaat Ekh Paachano...............Recognise the Human Race as One..............Jaat can mean race and from what is written below.............racism is taboo is Sikhi............. BTW the site you have mentioned (jat tworld) is a very racist site and they have been reprimanded for calling Sikhs towel head and diaper heads..................

:lol: Having lost relatives in the Delhi riots I would say that the best way to remember them is to practice martial arts............forge our bodies into steel and keep shasters at home to make sure that if something like this ever happened again............we'd take as many out of them as possible........ Sorry............thats the way I feel about it..........

Friend that Ullu that pathaa as you called him is getting off his backside and getting valuable Sikh manuscripts restored and translated....................his name is Jeevan Singh Deol............and for you to dismiss him because he is a Mona is wrong....... ..........and guess what Sikhi has changed in the West...........many of us have not got the Punjabi and Indian ball and chain which we seem to confuse with the message of the Guru.......... :e: .......I sat respect to Dr Jeevan Sin gh Deol who is one of our most brightest and leading Sikh Historians.........

Hi Simran, This fellow Johal (if that is his real name) is a trouble maker and tries to cause fights between Sikhs of different backgrounds........... ...........man he has given me enough abuse insulting me my family, calling me a Hindu and other inmentionable things.......... ..........just because I stated that Sant ji and other Sikh icons had nothing to do with caste/race................ ..............just ignore this Munmookh because he obviously is not a Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh ji.........