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Like people have already said, link up with your local community and form defence teams. The Gudwaras, our businesses and even our homes are coming under attack. These rioters are mainly black Afro-Carabbean and they have a distinct dislike of Asian folk, mainly out of envy. I have seen Twitter message being put up saying that Asian shops, especially gold shops should be targeted. Also it was great to hear of Sikh and Muslim youths banding together, especially in regions such as Ilford and Birmingham.

Mixed feelings regarding this. Pride because it honours Guru Ji but loathing because of the Congress element.

I've seen Gujarati Hindus do the same thing. I am pretty sure as are many of the others that the infamous 786 "Sikh girls are slags" leaflets were made by a right wing Hindu group. These leaflets were then sent to many Sikh West London families. There is a definitie agenda by such groups, individuals i.e. Sikhs go to war with Muslims and forget the Khalistan issue, what is happening in Punjab, the fake groups out there etc. I have even seen them discussing it on forums..... By the way Cool Water I also share your concerns about some of the ID's we have on here. Beautiful post Singh.

So here are the soldiers of Allah http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qYoLLyvFIqs Can anyone please tell me why they put on Patwa accents and use more slang than the cast of Kidulthood? I can't believe these morons have six pages of comments in reference to them. Brothers, a bunch of little, scrawny, boys mouthing off is nothing serious. You get this all over the net between faiths, nationalities, ethnic groups, rival sports fans etc. I have lost count the amount of times I have been to Punjabi forums where fellow "Sikhs" have written the most disgusting things about Muslims, particularly Pakistani ones and I haven't seen them having a fit over it. Heck even on this forum there are people who declare Muslims as gutter rats, evil etc. The irony here is we are complaining about something which our community indulges in quite frequently. As for the problem. Yes there have been cases and there cases of Sikh girls in relationships with Muslims but often such girls have precious little in the way of education about our faith. Educate our daughters and all these things will go. Now for the Pakistanis, who I presume wrote the above, it can be Afghan Muslim youth or even a fake post designed to cause friction between the two communities. Do they target exclusively Sikh girls, in my opinion they do not, hear me out on this. These Pakistani youth who go about indulging in such practices will do so to any girls. In the latest cases practically all the girls that were abused by these men were white. Not one was a Sikh girl. They are opportunistic predators. As for some believing they will not do it to their own you are very wrong. I know of scores of Pakistani girls as well who have been used and abused by men promising to marry them, live with them and love them forever. People may say the blokes would be killed by her brothers. But not every Pakistani girl has lots of brothers, cousins etc. The girls will also keep it hidden from their families, out of shame so who would know? This is the same trap our girls fall in. By the way I also know of cases where Sikh youth have done the same with their own girls i.e. pass them around mates and leave them on the scrap heap after they are done. The three things we should concentrate on are 1. Educating our youth, girls in particular 2. Males should set an example. So that means no drinking, clubbing, screwing any female in sight etc. 3.If there are gangs doing this, then the response is the stick, as they don't understand anything else. On a final point I have several Pakistani friends and they are some of the loveliest people I know. A few are religious (Sufi) and I can have the greatest of spiritual discussions with them. My father went to Pakistan to visit Nankana and Panja sahib and he said of the Pakistani people collectively that he has never met a more welcoming, humble people ever.

Wahe Guru ji da Khalsa Wahe Guru ji di fateh Paa jee, teaching is a very noble profession and there are so many of our youth, who would benefit from you directly if you taught them. As for the PGCE, the best place to do it and yes it does depend on where you do your PGCE is the Institute of Education. As for your degree it depends how many of your modules had a history element to them. If over 40% did you can teach history. If not history you can Citizenship and even RE! As for doing a post grad that would be certainly guarantee you entry. If you need any more information brother, just give me a shout.

Vaisakhi at Panjha Sahib. The documenty is in English and has Sikhs sharing their experiences. First part. Second part Documentary (six parts) of Gudwaras in Pakistan.

My father did and he says it is one of the best experiences of his life. The people of Pakistan, especially the Punjabi folk are very friendly and found it amazing that a Sikh from the UK had come to Pakistan.They usually have large numbers coming over from East Punjab. He found accommodation easy, food is plentiful and the Gudwaras are kept very well. He told me he would go into market places and people would refuse to accept money for fruit he had just brought and insisted he was their honoured guest. He said it was very easy to fit in and move around. If you are going you have to make a visit to Panja sahib as well. It is absolutely beautiful. My father also said he was pleasantly surprised to see many Sikhs living in Pakistan and their numbers growing. On the negative side there is a Taliban insurgency being waged there and they are known to attack Pakistani cities. The thing is most of it is confined to Frontier region or what is now known as Pukhtnkwa. You should be fine.

Lol girls throwing these idiotic "thugs" around. Could you imagine if they met Millwall FC or West Ham. They would all get massacred.....

He shouldn't use the Khanda and he shouldn't speak about Sikh matters. If he supports the EDL then that is his business and he should stick to that, don't bring Sikhi into it. As for excommunicating him, I'm sure there are far more important things to worry about. Mods wrap this thread up. We have had enough of this on here.

Simply beautiful paa jee.

Waheguru bless our brother and give his family comfort. When I first read the topic I expected to see a mob attack but he was attacked by a man and two girls. I find that very odd. Girls are not known to inflict racial assaults, especially if they are Asian, which I presume they are. They were also calling him out of his house so I take it he knew them? I personally think there is more to it but very sad all the same.

I can tell you now that this stuff is nowrearing its head in the UK as well. Evangelical churches that are US based, areorganising tours and try to appeal to Sikhs for conversion and have shown aparticular interest in the Southall area. I know a young ex Hindu Punjabi lad,now Christian, whose entire family converted to Christianity. I asked him about the congregation(West London) he attends, he went on to say that more and more Sikhs areturning up now. At first I thought Rada Soamis or curious folk but he statedthat they were coming to learn and eventually become baptized.

Brother thanks for your views and no you are not a "know it all" at all. It's productive and healthy that we exchange views and learn from one another. I agree with your point and there are several examples that I could use that highlight your points. The Bengali community in Tower Hamlets area faced a massive mount of racist assaults, some so brutal that it left people dead. I don't know if anyone remembers the Quddus Ali incident back in 93? I'm really showing my age lol. Anyway after this their youth went on the offensive and literally chased down and beat into submission the gangs of racists that were targeting their community. The area then gained the reputation. You have our own community, when back in the 80's Gurdeep Singh Shaheed was kicked to death by skinheads and our community went into action. There was plenty of retalitory beatings and pubs used by these aggressors were also destroyed. Again it all stopped. Bradford, Bury, Burnley etc. In the early days the Pakistani community suffered a great deal and that was until their youth in the early 80's onwards got together and took on their protagonists and again the harassment and attacks ended. When Afro- Caribbean's arrived in the 50's they to also faced mass attacks on them. But then the Notting Hill riot of 1958 happened, when the young men defended themselves against rampaging "Teddy Boys". The attacks diminished. With this brother being attacked we should go on mass to the police station and demand acton. A protest of 200 or so, handy Singh's, on the streets, not being aggressive would mean we meant business. After that we could hand out posters of E fit descriptions and offer a collective reward for the arrest of these vermin. Again this isn't war but ACTIVE work that would mean people think twice. If however we found them then......My lips are sealed.

Cowardly and disgusting attack, I feel for our brother. This just goes to highlight further how important it is to learn self defence and know how to look after yourself. Hard hitting arts are the way forward as you learn to hit hard and most importantly get hit hard i.e. you're tested under similar conditions you would be in, if you were in a real life confrontation. There is plenty out there it's just people need to be committed to train. But in the end I really don't believe there is anything that can prepare you for the street. Weapons are a huge and dangerous problem and despite what people say there isn't much of a defence against a knife unless you also have one. On the street you can meet knives, bottles, bricks, blunt instruments and in this case multiple numbers. Situational awareness is the first part of "self defence" always be aware of your surroundings and usually when your instinct tells you something is wrong or something is going to happen, then I can assure you it will. Try to avoid getting yourself in a situation. If the worst happens and you have the odds stacked against you hit first, as the best defence is a good offence and move out of there quick. If you find yourself cornered then use anything in your hands. Keys double up well as brass knuckles etc. If it is multiple guys then don't concentrate on one and try to hit out as fast as you can and try to strike as many as possible and back away, knowing you are trying to escape. I could go on but I hope what I said has been useful. May Waheguru protect us all.

Good to see our people still keep our heritage alive. More and more should make these pilgrimages.

A group of us need to meet with the management of Drayton Manor Theme Park and explain why it is worn etc. I have to say I am annoyed as one of my nephews went to the Bank of England on a trip and the metal detectors went off (security is high). When my nephew explained it is a part of our faith the guard smiled and said that is fine and let him through and wished him a good trip. This is just a theme park!

Brothers the new government initiative for "free schools" should be jumped upon by like minded folk like us. We can teach our children to be Gursikhs and the same time run the national curriculum. It has worked well for Muslims and Christian groups why not us? Start up from nursery and primary and then work your way up.

Disgusting, but this certainly has sent many people a wake up call and people have responded.

Good to know thousands can come out for something trivial and useless as India winning the "World Cup", but yet during Nagar Kirtan these folks are no where to be seen. Just for a comparison have a look at the turnout for Vaisakhi in a week's time. I had the displeasure of walking through this hot bed of activity and I echo what the other brothers have said that the bulk of these people were new arrivals. But the sheer level of sharab being passed around was disgusting and I haven't even mentioned girls being openly groped, copious amounts of swearing, urinating on walls and so on. What a way we have fallen.

Good thread and hopefully all our people will follow through with this.

Sufis are traditionally sunni from what I know. The term Sufi is broad but from the many sufi groups I have come cross many of their core beliefs, ideas and practices are the same. There isn't a big difference let's say between the Chisthi and qadri orders which are amongst the biggest. Qadri order singer singing a nice sufi song in Punjabi.

Sufis of Afghanistan, nice video.

Waheguru bless them in their endevrours. The Sufi Muslims were great friends of our masters. But I have horrible feeling they will be attacked by suicide attackers, just like in Pakistan, where we have seen seven suicide assaults alone on Sufi mazars. It seems like violence is being used to silence them. Mistake by the reporter. He was a savage.

As the Afghan government and its international allies intensify efforts to bring the conflict to an end, the role and influence of mystics is being sought to help bring the Taliban into talks on a political solution. Sufism or Islamic mysticism was once suppressed by the Taliban, but the sect is recovering its place in the country and its millions of followers are once more emerging from the shadows. Sufis have considerable influence in both rural and urban settings - they are an effective popular force to bring change into society - and people consider them as disinterested mediators in disputes. ''The influence of Sufis will be very significant in bringing peace and tranquillity,'' says Sayed Mahmood Gailani, a Sufi master. ''There are a few people with Sufi backgrounds who are involved in the peace process. But there hasn't been any concerted effort to give the Sufis a systematic and prominent role in it.'' Sufism in Afghanistan is considered an integral part of Islam. People in general respect Sufis for their learning and believe they possess "karamat" - a miraculous spiritual power that enables Sufi masters to perform acts of generosity and bestow blessings. Sufism attaches much significance to the concept of tolerance Ziyarats - Sufi shrines - are popular pilgrimage sites all over the country. In addition to Afghanistan, Sufi orders have millions of followers in both Pakistan and India too. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and the following armed resistance by the mujahideen resulted in the arrival of thousands of Middle Eastern fighters and the introduction of foreign ideologies including Wahabism. Wahabism insists on a literal interpretation of Islam and sees Sufism and its ideas as anathema. This created tension between Sufis and Ulamas (religious scholars) in some parts of the country. But it was during the Taliban's rule (1996-2001) when many Sufis were driven underground. A number were initially part of the Taliban movement but gradually people influenced by the <Edited> ideology became more prominent. Sufis were silenced. Some Sufis, especially members of the Chishtiyya Sufi Order which considers music to be an effective route to reach Allah, were prosecuted. "The Taliban invaded Sufi gatherings, humiliated and beat up many of them and their musical instruments were smashed,'' said Afghan Culture Minister Sayed Makhdoom Rahin, who has a Sufi background. ''Sufis are free to hold their ceremonies once again with the same old exuberance denied to them by the Taliban.'' 'Home of saints' Given the respect and influence Sufis enjoy among the local population, their involvement at the grass roots level could help the peace process in war-torn Afghanistan. Although Taliban members come from various backgrounds, some have great respect for Sufis and are even followers of Sufism."Influential and knowledgeable Sufis can persuade a large number of Taliban to lay down their arms and can also provide guarantees to the Taliban about their safety and peaceful future,'' a Sufi leader, Ahmad Shah Maududi, said. ''But we need to be careful and vigilant because many so-called Sufis have exploited and fooled ordinary people in the garb of Sufism.'' Sufism has been part of Afghanistan almost as long as Islam itself - more than 1,300 years. Afghanistan is commonly called "the home of Sufi saints". The mystics have been an integral part of the life of the people for centuries. The word Sufism is derived from "suf", the Arabic wood for wool, and refers to woollen robes worn by early ascetics. Sufis seek to achieve communion with God during mystic moments of union brought about by various methods, including meditation, Zikr (reciting the names of God and other sacred phrases), dancing, hymn singing, music and physical gyrations. Sufis maintain that human beings are creatures of Allah and they should be served and respected. ''Tolerance, kindness and love to all and malice towards none are the virtues of Sufis,'' says Maulana Obaidullah Nahrkarizi, a prominent Afghan Sufi master from Kandahar province. ''This is the solution to the nation's trauma and battle of the past 30 years''. Many Afghan cities are among the most important centres of Sufism. Herat is called "the soil of Sufi saints" while Ghazni is known as "the place of Sufi saints". FAMOUS AFGHAN SUFI POETS Khwaja Abdullah Ansari of Herat (11th Century) Hakim Sanayi of Ghazni (12th Century) Jalaluddin Balkhi Rumi of Balkh (13th Century) Abdul Rahman Jami of Herat (15th Century) Pir Roshan Bayazid Ansari of Waziristan (16th Century) Shah Arzani (16th Century) Rahman Baba of Peshawar (17th Century) Ahmad Shah Abdali of Kandahar (18th Century) Some of the greatest Sufi sages of the Muslim world originated from Afghanistan. They refined their insights in the country's lush plains and hidden valleys - and spread their message of peace and love to other parts of the world. The intensely personal poetry of Sufis has been expressed in Dari, Persian and Pashto, the main languages spoken in Afghanistan. There are several prominent Sufis in contemporary Afghanistan including Ali Hujwiri, Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti and Jalaluddin Balkhi Rumi - founder of the famous Mawlawiya (the Order of Whirling Dervishes). Another famous Sufi is Pir Roshan, the founder of the Roshaniya Sufi Order, now known as Arzan Shahi - which has a big following in India. Three Sufi orders are prominent in Afghanistan today - Naqshbandiya founded in Bokhara (Uzbekistan), Qadiriya founded in Baghdad and Chishtiya originated at Chisht-e-Sharif in the western province of Herat. Their continued growth is arguably a major bonus in Afghanistan's continuing search for peace. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12539409

Utter disrespect towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaaj. Peaceful protest I say! On a side note what has gone wrong with some people today? Greed and arrogance is blackening hearts quickly.