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sgpc has no credibility why attack this book when there are a million more problems that sikhs are facing that are much worse then this its becuse if they go after the corrupt politicians that own them it would be contraversial and there would be a reaction so instead they choose to go after one lone woman living thousands of miles away to make it look they they are not complety useless and that they are actually doing something while at the same time avoiding contraversary(atleast for them)

Not british or mughals here are some accounts of operation bluestart through enemy eyes General Brar says in his 1993 book Notwithstanding the fact that by converting the House Of God into a battlefield all the principles and precepts of the ten Sikh Gurus were thrown overboard it must be admitted that the tenacity with which the millitants held their ground the stubborn valour with which they fought the batle and the high degree of confidence displayed by them merits praise and recognition Operation Blue Star pg 97 One officer told journalist Satish Jacob Boy what a fight they gave us if I had three Divs like that I would <banned word filter activated> the hell outta Zia(then pakistan president) any day Amritsar Mrs. Gandhis Last Battle pg 187 Here is what the Delhi Police Commissioner, Ved Marwah said about one of the greatest martyrs of the 20th century Harjinder Singh Jinda Harjinder Singh (sic) alias Jinda who was convicted and later hanged for the murder of the former Army Chief, General A.S. Vaidya was no ordinary man. He was arrested twice by the Delhi Police during my tenure as Commissioner of Police, Delhi. This self-confessed killer was not just a ruthless killer. He had another side to his personality: he could be charming and humorous even when injured and battling for his life. When I met him after his arrest by the Delhi Police he seemed anything but a psychopath. He had psychological traits which made him and extraordinary person, but these did not make him mentally unsound. Jinda was first arrested by the Delhi police in 1985, more by chance than owing to any previous knowledge that he was an active terrorist. A spate of bank robberies had taken place in Delhi and the Delhi Police was under criticism for its inability to stop them. I was daily being taken to task by the Union Home Minister and the media. Till Jinda’s arrest there was no evidence about any possible link between these bank robberies and terrorism in Punjab. Jinda fell into the police net on the basis of a low-grade information about the theft of a car. Only on the day after his arrest when during interrogation, Jinda started speaking about Pakistani plans for shootouts at public places and killings of Hindus to create Hindu-Sikh riots, that that the police realized that they had a big catch in their hands. The acting Additional Commissioner of Police Crime, RK Sharma rang me up in my house on a Sunday morning to inform me about his arrest. I decided to go to the Crime Branch Interrogation Centre to talk to this very ordinary looking man for over one hour and was fascinated by not only what he told me but the way he narrated his story. He had no fear and no remorse. He rather enjoyed talking about his many escapades in which the police, like in the Bombay films, did not come out very well. Here a young man from Amritsar had actually succeeded in getting the better of the entire Delhi Police force and that was something which gave him tremendous satisfaction. He underplayed his role as a terrorist in the cause of achieving Khalistan, perhaps intentionally but had no hesitation in boasting about his daring bank robberies in broad daylight in the heart of Delhi. He insisted on calling Delhi “Rajdhani” and obviously derived immense satisfaction from taking on the police in Delhi. Even at that stage though we did not know much about his terrorist antecedents, he talked in terms of “them” and “us”. It struck me even then that he was more forthcoming and almost friendly with me, because here he was talking to a head of the Delhi Police on an equal footing. He had no hesitation in telling me about his unhappy childhood and his petty crimes in Amritsar. He was later transferred to Gujarat from where he escaped while being escorted from the jail to the trail court. After his escape he started committing even more daring acts of terrorism. He became a feared terrorist and was well-known both in Delhi and Punjab. We learnt about his involvement in the killing of Lalit Makan the Congress MP and Arjun Dass, a close Sanjay Gandhi associate. He was arrested for the second time by the Delhi Police in August 1987, in an encounter in the Civil Lines area in which he was seriously injured. He was taken to the Civil Lines Police Station before the arrival of an ambulance. This time there was no doubt that the Delhi Police had scored a major success. His capture was the result of close cooperation between the Delhi Police and the Intelligence Bureau. I learnt about the encounter on my wireless set and rushed to the Police Station within a few minutes. Jinda was being moved into the ambulance on a stretcher when he saw me. He immediately recognized me and greeted me with a big smile. He must have been in terrible agony, but that did not stop him from joking. “Mubaraq ho. Ab to app ko bahut bari taraqui milegi. Delhi Police ne mujhe pakar liya hai” (Congratulations. Now you will get a promotion-Delhi Police has been able to arrest me). Here was a man almost on his deathbed and yet he had the audacity to poke fun and laugh. I could see that he was enjoying the thought of not only making the supreme sacrifice for the cause in which he believed, but of being able to be one up on the Commissioner of the Delhi Police. He was take to the Army Hospital in the cantonment, because of security considerations, and miraculously, he responded to the treatment after a successful operation. I went to see him along with DCP Crime, this time not to interrogate him but to see someone who had earned my respect. I must confess that then my feelings for this man were not that of professional police officer for an outlaw but were mixed with some warmth and admiration. It is important at this point to say something about our system. Here was a known killer of the former Army Chief being treated by the army doctors, who performed nothing short of a miracle in saving his life. When I entered his room he was lying on the bed as the lower portion of his body was completely paralysed. The doctors could not say at that time whether he would ever be able to use his legs again. On seeing me he again greeted warmly and apologized for not being able to get up. He thanked me for coming to see him. He behaved as if he was talking to an old friend. He was in a talkative mood and this time told me all about the terrorist movement in Punjab and their ultimate goal of Khalistan with Pakistani help. He bragged about his escape from Ahmedabad and had absolutely no fear of death. He was certain that his end was not too far off and tauntingly told me that this time the Delhi Police would not make the mistake of handing him over to the Gujarat Police. When I told him that we would not hand him over to the Punjab Police as he suspected but to the Maharashtra Police to face a trial, he could not believe it. We later did hand him over to the Maharashtra Police. He was tried in the Pune Jail for a protracted trial and later hanged. Terrorism gave Jinda a cause to live for. There was no question of diverting him from the path which he had chosen for himself. He justified the most heinous of his crimes in the name of the “Panth”. It is the combination of political factors and such traits in their personality that attracts people like Jinda to the terrorist movement. The sole aim of his life became commission of terrorist acts, which he firmly believed would in the end succeed in achieving their goal of “Khalistan”. There is no scope for any negotiations with such men. But such personality traits are seen only among the hard-core terrorists. There are of course other types of person among terrorist their supporter and sympathizers who are more amenable to negotiations and compromise. Ved Marwah Uncivil Wars: Pathology of Terrorism In India p. 16

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a hindu who converted to sikhi reminds me of a certain member of this forum

Azizabad Airstrike - Around 90 Killed Granai Massacre - 145 Killed Shinwar Shooting - 20 Killed Hyderabad Airstrike - 100+ Killed Deh Bala Wedding Party bombing - 47 Killed Dasht-i-Leili Massacre - 250-300 Prisoners of War massacred Sangin Airstrike - 40+ Killed Kandahar Massacre - 17 Killed Uzbin Valley Ambush retaliation shelling - +40 Killed, 2000+ refugees Also dont forget all the brutal dictators the us has allied itself with and protected over the decades and all the civillians killed by us drone strikes in pakistan and yemen and if you wanna go back further then that we can talk about hiroshima and nagasaki,slavery and the largest genocide in the world which was of the native americans sherdill if you were alive in the 1850s would you have said"yeah well the british are the strongest empire in the world they have to play the leadership role it was someone else before them and it will be someone else after"

just wanted to bump to remind everybody what real sikhs are just look at all the love these two brothers had for all the people in the world

im glad "the warrior" converted if only all hindus disguised as sikhs would convert aswell instead of trying to destroy sikhi from within i respect the real nihungs and all there traditions even bhang(if not abused and used only for meditation and as a painkiller) and jhatka but people need to watch out for the fakers real nihungs are people like shaheed bhai avtar singh brahma and baba nihal singh ji

props to the nihung singh

and oral traditions arent full of half truths and fallacies ever heard of the game chinese whispers

what links does mann have with the missonaeries i hope its more then just a picture with him together with one of them as for the part about losing all respect for him seriously man how can you not have respect for someone who turned down a comfortable life as a high ranking officer for the sake of truth and justice and to spend 5 years in a indian jail cell getting tortured by the police for the sake of the panth mann is the only honest politician in punjab today he talks about the real issues punjab is facing aband get beaten and battered by the police for it at all of his rallys

i agree its just that his tone sounded a bit arrogant to me and this is a sikh forum after all and i didnt like that a guy who didnt even know the difference between sad(maan) and sad(badal) lecturing people about punjab and for the record i believe that you can be against khalistan and still be a great sikh but you CANT be pro-india and still be a good sikh you know what im talking about right those "im a indian before im a sikh" idiots

you act like it couldve never happened as if the indian government has never tortured ppl before to get them to make a false confession lol and if they really did do it do you think a indian court would really only give them 7 years for it sounds like a plea bargain id wait for more information

my grandfather was a communist and he supported the kharkus

then why are you on a sikh forum

Did you even bother to read the whole thing why on earth would single out the last sentance and call the whole post stupid just based off of that

lol wow what a clown

no point replying just let the mad <banned word filter activated> bark i remember reading one article on his website were him or another hindu from the canhindu advocacy said that no innocent sikhs were killed in the november pogroms instead were all rioters who were killed by law abiding hindus protecting the peace thankfully even most hindus recognize him for the lunatic that he is

feel pity not anger

alex jones is a lunatic his rubbish doesnt belong on a site like this stop posting info wars articles here most of these conspircy theorys come from the conservative/libertarian types so that when a far right nutjob commits an act like this they can take the blame off themselves and put it on the government calm your mind and think for a moment do you the us government plans to take everyones guns the country with the most advanced military in the world with the most high tech weopans if they really tried to enslave the pop do you think that a bunch of rednecks with there shotguns could stop them

why was my previous post deleted that isnt a real christian forum its satire just a bunch of arrogant athiests who are mocking right wing christians and christian fundamentalists

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these bollywood actors are scumbags that would do anything to make a buck remember the news when sanjay dutt would be working on a movie that would make kp gill look like a hero now hes working on a movie about the battle of Saragarhi these people have no principles its all about the money and the movie is practiculy garunteed to be full propaganda makeing the singhs look like patriotic indians i remember watching a bollywood movie called border there was a scene when a hindu soldier runs into the burning house of a muslim to retrieve his quran before it is burned by the fire the muslim then says something along the lines of "even though im a muslim and your a hindu you risked your life to save my quraan" and the hindu responds by dramatically saying " this is what hindus have been doing for thousands of years risking there own lives to save others"

http://en.wikipedia....shpora_incident

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people like bhai rajoana have realised this now its time for everybody else to do the same