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I was your usual silly person. Parents and family didn't observe any Sikh ways other than attend Gurdwara here and there. I was never taught anything to do with Sikhi so one day as I was going through some music on my computer I found a Shabad 'Bohut Janam Bichhre The Madho' by Dhan Bhagat Ravidass Ji. The words just began making sense to me and tears began falling from my eyes just hearing how Mahraaj was pleading with God that he had forsaken him in his past births but this one he would dedicate to him. Anyway...i began doing Path and Ishnaan in the mornings i didn't need any alarm clock as if by the will of God I would get up at 4am naturally. My family were shocked and wondered why I had turned to Religion. I began talking about Gurbani and they were surprised by how my Panajabi and sumaj [understanding was improved] They'd ask me things and they'd call me Sant/Giani and the words of Gurbani and discourses would flow from my mouth this in turn encouraged my mother to take Amrit. Although my dad would say 'Why are you listenng to a Chamar' I'd roll my eyes and look angrily and say have you not learned anything? there is no caste be it the Bani of the Gurus or Bhagats, when they were added to the SHri Guru Granth Sahib all jaat [castes] vanished. When we bow to the Bani, the Bhagats become the Gurus and vice verse meaning they are the one and same. Anyway when I'm down and I think about one line 'Jis Nu Toon Janiye Soi Jan Jane' TO WHOM YOU GIVE YOUR KNOWLEDGE SHALL ALONE KNOWLEDGE YOU. This isn't egotistcal but reminding me that when the Lord showers them with that same Gian they'll understand how sweet is the Lord' :D Guru Fateh

It promotes Darbar Sahib free. Will get people coming towards Sikhi.

Don't believe what Naik says even the Muslims say he's potty and talks rubbish.

If you bow to yourself that's self worship? you can become hakaria [pride] - I bow to the pictures of Dhan Gurdwaras I have or i bow in any direction because the Master is present everywhere at all times.

Your English leaves a lot to be desired.... Read my above posts, I've made it clear, I'm not going to repeat it again. Some take it too far when they address Shri Guru Granth Sahib.

I LOVE Kathas, but I am astute enough to not follow the Kirtani.

Kala Aghana I don't care about. {if you think abybody who says not to Idol worship SGGS is a Kala Afghana supporter, then that would make Shahi Guru Gobind SIngh Ji a support too} As mentioned above, if we Sikhs treat SGGS as an idol, feed, cloth, etc etc then that amounts to treating it like an idol. There are different ways to show respect. The same ways Dhan Guru Nanak Ji and the other Gurus did. If you don't know the basics of Sikhi don't address my posts. Fateh

That's a different kind of respect. He didn't turn it into an idolistic worshipping ritual. The Shabad Guru is contained within the Shri Guru Granth Sahib, it holds the word, it is a vessel to carry the Naam.

<edited> The more you insult the Religion of others shows you're not a Sikh of the Gurus at all. The basics of Sikhi is that it does not involve idolatry, what you've said and those that do, are committing a sin. You've turned it into an Idol no better than Hindus. Jis pāhan ka▫o pāṯī ṯorai so pāhan nirjī▫o. ||1|| That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless

Erm you're obviously oblivious to what the Dhan Gurus have said. GURBANI alone is the form [roop] of Guru! [shabad Guru]

What is wrong with Makkah? if Dhan Guru Nanak respects it in his Bani who are you to insult it you murakh! [fool]

What it means is, there are some people who eat the best dishes [foods] available, whilst others go hungry. They eat with joy and pride, and think they are important, they take such relish in it. Sheikh Farid Ji says he eats just the basic of foods, because to him it's not a big issue he is just grateful to get that.

My post had nothing to do with what you've said. The reason I made it was so many Sikhs feel disheartened and may feel they too need not continue due to the negatives they see around them. So if it assists them to remain Chardikala, then that's not negative. Do as much as one can for the Panth but if does not bring to fruition to what you've expected be not worried. Fateh.

Those wretched dogs can never destroy us. Muslims Mughals gave it their best shot and they failed, what can these cow worshipping monkeys do to the Sikhs of the LORD!!

No never. I avoid such people.

If it's within his Hukam they too shall be purified once again.

Guru Pyari Sadh Sangat Ji... Alot of people are worried about the decline in Sikhi. Some fear not many are following the Sikh path according to the Religion, some fear those that wear the Gursikh Bana are not actually practising Sikhi, but commit sins etc etc. All of that is true. But if you look around the other main religions are going through the same issues. Christianity decline, Islam decline, the terrorists who use Islam for the wrong reasons and so on. But what gets me through the day is this tiny element of what Shahi- Shenshah Dasam Guru Nanak Dev Ji Mahraaj says.... Khoaar ho-ae sabh milaingae bachay sharan jo ho-ae Those that are lost, all of them shall unite. This is the message of Akal Purakh so be not disheartened Pure Ones. Fateh Ji. Man Kyon Bairaag Karega Satgur Mera Poora - Oh Mind Why Are You Sad? My Guru Is Perfect.

No my logic means what some people perceive Mahraaj Ji to be an idol to dress, feed, and treat it like an idol. These are the basics of Sikhism and are prohibited. Scriptures should be respected but not mistaken to be the actual Guru. It's a vessel to carry the Naam. There is a difference, but only a few see it.

The WORD [bani] it self is the Guru, not the actual Book[pages] This becomes an idolesque worship of it and treatment. Read the Bani of The Tenth Guru Nanak about fools who worship such things. Meditate on the image of the Guru within your mind by letting your mind recognize the Word of the Guru's Sabad, as a Mantra.Guru Arjan, Sri Guru Granth Sahib, p. 864 Fateh.

There probably are, but are not allowed to convert to other Religions so would not be making a song and dance about it if they had.

Some people do need to stop being idolatrous! This is not our 'father'! Worse than Hindus some of you. It should be respected but you're leading away from the Sikhi of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Nirankaar, and ending up worse than heathens!

Sadly I don't see any change from Monkey Badal for Panjab, they'll bribe, and fix the results, unless Sikhs protest in their millions as Muslims are doing in the Middle East! Then only will Khalistan be real! Fateh.

I don't see any issues to be honest. I don't see any alteration of Gurbani? Some people sway to and fro doing Path, some sit without moving, some may walk about whilst doing Path. It's not a big deal. Anyway is't better to see this than Sikhs watching Pandits, or that Brahman who does Yoga and lures fools into Hinduism.

Yes but some Sikhs are not the only people who have doubts about certain elements of Scriptures. Some Muslims says the Quran Sahib has been altered, some Christians say the Bible has. The Guru Granth Sahib hasn't been, and the only Scripture to have been written by the Prophets of God. Also the irony is, both sides are doing to to say there is no way such langauge can be attributed to Dhan Shahi-Shaneshah Guru Gobind SIngh Ji, the others say no matter what is written we won't believe it's not his writings. SO, best to leave it to each persons own conscience. Fateh.

All that matters is that Dhan Guru Granth Sahib is the ONLY true Guru. The rest should be left alone as it causes issues/anger.