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I doubt thats why they came to UK. They were obvious fed false info on oppotunities here and are afraid to appear like a failure for returning to india (to nothing since they sold everything to come here, or their family gave their savings to get you here)

Very narrow minded to make Sikhs as an escape goat.

The Badal dynasty does not forget or forgive lightly. It is likely the girl or her family will be harassed when all the media attention has died down. It is likely they will be denied oppotunities and police cause trouble.The panth should remain vigilent and follow this girl and her family carefully and protect them. At the sightest bit of dodgy play we must put light on it.

difficult situation

Apologises, it seems my playing devil's advocate perhaps went a little too far.

I'm assuming you'll write these history books, since I haven't come across any saying it in so many words.

I'm assuming you explained that to him...

political correctness in the judicial system? or ethnic immunity?

Remain optimistic Singhs. Not pessimistic, realistic or anyything else. Chardi Kala. No need to worry about world's end. Guru Nanak dev Ji explains the more you speak about, the greater it becomes, focus on here and now, not future generations.

If only singhs would be inspired enough to learn the languages necessary to correctly pronouce bani, eg persian, sanskrit,etc

If there is no clear independent evidence from his 'enemies', whereas there are numerous awards, etc saying how great he is. Hence, he will be considered great in 200years time and the current medial obviously show him in an amazing light, I wouldn't be surprising if he was towered in the future generations long aster we are gone as one of the greatest Sikhs of our century based on the evidence.

Strong point. May I ask how you know this, it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing family members would want to flaunt, nor the kind of thing Badal P-R mill would like to promote? My apologises for seeming cynical. I genuinely sympathise with you, but if you were to explain this to someone not familiar with badal they would ask the same.

spot on. That is a sensible way of approaching this. Thank you for your example. If there are countless examples, then lets list them in entirety if it is true. Your example would be difficult to support otherwise. It appears to be one persons claim against another. The fact that the trial has been delayed is not a crime?... Sadh sangat jio we must make intelligent arguments if we are to argue something. We must try to keep up with the world of temporality (being media-wise, legal-wise, and politics wise) in addition to pursuing our spirituality. If the total sum of our argument are statements like 'everyone knows he is corrupt', 'there are countless examples' or examples based on circumstantial evidence makes us look immature, gullible and foolish. Forgive me if I have offended anyone.

apologises. I did not mean to offend anyone with my thread. I was not claiming he has not done anything, but rather proof that he has. I did not mean to shock you. However in the west it is gnerally accepted that one is innocent until proven guilty. If a western journalist approached you asking about Badal do you believe making claims like "All he has to do is pay some money which he has stolen from people's hard earned money to keep people quiet" is acceptable evidence. This is an accusation, just like how I can say the same about you, whether it is true is for me to prove, not for you to prove that it is false. I take your point that it is difficult to get evidence in this situation, but without evidence, history will remember the many awards a person has acheived, since there will not be any substantial testimony/evidence (other than some disgruntled comments on a public forum) to the contrary. Once again apologises for any upset caused.

Thanks S1ngh. Interesting cases. I wonder if anyone else has any independent news articles/evidence against him?

I have nothing against your comment and it is similar to countless others on this forum. The point of this thread was to substantiate any claims, such as you claim of bribary with any evidence? Since otherwise anyone can make up anything against someone else. Pedrorizzo makes some good points (although not referenced). Again does anyone have any specific examples please. We as a nation look uneducated when making unsubstantiated comments.

Everyone always blames Sikhi related things on the Badal family. In fact people make sweeping claims delegating most of punjabs problems on Badal family. In this thread I would like to ask Sikh Sangat what exactly has the CM or his family done that is against sikji/punjab with proof and a timeline if possible. Are people just jealous of him and so make stuff up? Can people stick to facts with proof of any claims and not statements without any support. The reason for this thread is if a westerner asks why should badal not receive such and such an award, what reply should be given (since evidence will be demanded for each accusation). Please note this is purely a historical/education thread. I am in no way asserting any political allegences.

LOL! very interesting. I would like to know more about this too.

Amazing video, educated, consise and clear replies. In punjabi it is even better since it is usually uneducated and unreligious individuals who have these ideas. Thank you.

Someone must invite them to the UK, ask them to display Nishan sahib. Advise them against using tube lights (many carcinogenic chemicals inhaled if they are broken) and use sugar-cane/bambo sticks instead, and advise against hitting head with hammer or run over or anything-slow permanent damage ill become apparent when older. everything else is fine.

the programme is more about the judge's expressions.

Great respect to the gori who stood up to the racist near the end of the video. Singho, tyar bar tyar reho. This was a woman with a baby. However you could easier be trapped on a tube with skin-heads. In such a situation remain the humblest of all if it is directed at you, but when the odds are stacked against you, and the situation turns ugly, and if the down-trodden are attacked, then go to their aid. In the age of social media and mobile phone-cameras, your actions will echo the image of the nation around the world in seconds, remain in contemplative meditation. Akaaal.

agreed it is strange logic

is this story for real??!!!

perhaps make a petition to Akaal Takht?