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You need to expand your horizon beyond your bedroom... Whilst I agree that Jatts are not 100% homogeneous, a strong percentage still are, and accordingly it is very easy to distinguish from a sample group whom are conclusively Jatt. The Jatt obsession by the masses is quite a insight into the psyche of the non-Jatt. Anyhow I digress... Jatts should be put down en mass like the rabid dogs and scum they are, only then will the "Khalsa" panth be truly pure.

Virk is a prominent Jatt clan, Jatts are an ethnic people found on the Northern Indian subcontinent. Jatts are diverse in religious affiliations and are Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. In this case these individuals are Muslims, nothing to do with Sikhs so please delete or move this thread.

I came across this video, a Muslim discourse about the concept of Reincarnation, I found it interesting as it is a respectful refute against Reincarnation without mocking or belittling the Dharmic religions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhkquy9KAA The salient points from the Imam are: Not being able to remember our past lives and the mistakes accumulated, hence how can we learn from our mistakes and ensure we don't repeat them. Surely this is unjust and that if Reincarnation was real then we should be able to remember our previous deeds. An evil doer who is given a life of a worm or bacteria in the next birth cycle, these are not biological entities that have free-will hence how can they perform good deeds to move back up the Reincarnation cycle. He acknowledges what we call the age of Kalyug, and the very many terrible evils that are occurring across the globe, with so much evil in the world surely the number of humans should be going down in population and the number of animals up, when in fact the reverse is the reality He does however agree with the concept of constant spiritual rebirth in one human lifetime, whereby a person overcomes the challenges of I guess what we call Maya and the 5 Chor in the same lifetime. What are the Sangat's views on these points the Imam has made? I believe I have sound counter-arguments of my own however I would like some of the more enlightened members of the forum to put across more eloquent answers to a complex topic. Rab Rakha

That's the problem see, Jatts are not a caste, they are a people/ethnic group based on common ancestry. Jatt's do not feature in any caste system. The Hindu caste system never really gained much of foothold in Punjab due to it's geographic position being the gateway to the Indian subcontinent with constant marauders and invaders from the West. There does seem to be a constant infatuation with Jatts on the forum, which is a shame as it takes the spotlight away from more pressing and important subjects that should be discussed.

None??? That's simply not true, a quick list of a few: Shaheed Major Baldev Singh Ghuman Shaheed Bhupinder Singh Kooner Shaheed Sukhwinder Singh Sangha Shaheed Harjeet Singh Dhillon Shaheed Dr. Gurnam Singh Buttar Shaheed Balbir Singh Khaira Shaheed Satpal Singh Dhillon Shaheed Jagjit Singh Gill Shaheed Baljinder Singh Sekhon Shaheed Harmindar Singh Grewal Shaheed Meharban Singh Bhuttar Shaheed Pargat Singh Samra Most Singhs used the names of their villages as is quite common by eminent personalities from rural villages, but that doesn't mean they discarded their ancestry.

Absolutely nothing wrong with using your family name. Separately, excellent factual statements by Cisco_Singh.

The author of that article unfortunately is a minority in a so called "nation" of over 1 billion, but nevertheless it was refreshing to see a non-Sikh giving some insightful context and rationale for Beant's assassination.

I too fear that in a few days everyone will be back to carrying on with life as normal. Bhai Sahib continues to release inspirational letters everyday as messages to the Sikh nation, but these are not being communicated properly or being contemplated. Any Sikh who celebrates this latest development as a victory should be ashamed, victory can only be declared when we reach our final destination - KHALISTAN.

I 100% agree with all your comments, like I have already mentioned in a different thread, Bhai Sahib's message is to the youth of Punjab to come under the Kesri Nishaan Sahib and carry on the fight for Sikh freedom. Bhai Sahib has sacrificed his entire life in selfless service of the Sikh nation, the biggest shame to us all would be that his sacrifices, like many others, are in vain as we do not want to endure hardships carrying on this mission, instead choose to forget and carry on with comfortable lives. I am very worried about the future of the Quam. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

Here is Bhai Sahib's sister reading the letter:

I would like to offer the Sangat some personal thoughts on the current situation in Punjab pertaining to Bhai Balwant Singh Ji Rajoana. Bhai Sahib’s sister has today communicated a letter written by Bhai Sahib in response to the plea of clemency being filed by SAD (Badal) and SPGC. http://timesofindia....ow/12421469.cms The contents of this letter along with the rejection of the title of “Zinda Shaheed” are extremely profound. Why? In an era of Kalyug where people have one of the following agendas: Accumulation of personal wealth Greed of positions of power, status or authority Acting under the influence of Ego Bhai Sahib’s sheer honesty and selfless service for the Sikh nation and for Sikh freedom is a rare occurrence, especially in recent history. I am not affiliated to any Jathebandis and never will be, but I can say 99% of Jathebandis are morally corrupt and only working for self interests, even those in the guise of Panthic Jathebandis, and not the Sikh nation. These politicians and Sants in Punjab are just jumping onto the bandwagon like opportunistic hyenas. Bhai Sahib has called out all these cowards and traitors in his letters. Watching the Sikh Channel, they had SAD (Badal) cronies on one show using the argument we should forget our political affiliations and follow the Adesh of the Jathedar of Akal Takht, they also side stepped the appointment of Sikh murderer Sumedh Saini to DGP of Punjab Police after SAD (Badal)’s recent election success. These detractors and other so called moderates say we should rise above petty politics, these same people have raped our people and land, eroding our beliefs and history. We should never shy from controversy and always stand for the truth and tell things like they are, don’t sugarcoat any facts, this is our Guru’s Hukam. We should REJECT any Adesh or Hukumnama from a stooge like Gurbachan Singh, we should boycott this puppet of Badal. This traitor has awarded Badal with the title of “Panth Rattan Fakhar-e-Quam”, this is nothing short of a disgrace. Our Gurus knowing the corrupt nature of man had given us our immortal Guru in the form of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, with this in mind we have the right to reject the authority of the so called Jathedar. We must first free our Shri Akal Takht from 21st century Massands, the ironic thing is that the SGPC was set up with doing exactly the same thing. Punjab is overrun with so called Sants and Babas, I ask apart from sitting on stages and collecting money from naive Sangat and acquiring plots of land and fleets of cars when have these Sants ever been pro-active in their approach to any issue in Punjab. They are the scourge of Punjab, jumping on the bandwagon, I don’t see them taking their followers to Patiala and demanding immediate release of Bhai Sahib. Any signs of physical confrontation these cowards run away, as I witnessed in the Ludhiana Kand. I also urge the Panth to be very careful with so called Panthic Jathebandis claiming to be in favor of Khalistan, these people also harbor their own political ambitions disguised as freedom struggles. Ever wonder why there are numerous small factions of Panthic Jathebandis, if they were all selfless servants of the Panth they would have one Jatha, not running into double figures! Remember the Indian Government has numerous agents posing as Sikh nationalists. My brothers and sisters, despite the show of Panthic unity under the Kesri Nishaan Sahib our Quam is in great danger, we have very very few selfless, honest, truthful Sikhs of great morals. Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana is looking for the average Sikh to rise up and take action, going to rallies and shouting slogans and then going back home to your daily routine isn’t going to achieve anything. It is utmost important we look within ourselves and look at our personal shortcomings as individuals and seek to build our character in accordance to Gurmat, and endeavor to become Sant Siphai’s, only then will Khalsa Raj be a reality. We must proactively go back to Punjab and help our fellow people with their everyday issues, deal with social, political, economic ills in society. This will enable us to mobilize as a Quam and tackle the snakes that have a stranglehold on our beloved Punjab/Khalistan. State sponsored terrorism usually follows the below pattern: Break the backbone of the resistance with sheer violence and murder Try to change the demographics of the region Get your own stooge to become leader Control media, education outlets in an attempt to indoctrinate/brainwash the next generation Impose state values and improve economic opportunities of the people to slowly erase the memories of a movement All of the above is true, but in the case of Punjab one poses the biggest threat, the change of demographics is something the Indian Government is fully pushing, this is probably the most worrying indicator, at the current rate of emigration West we will soon be a minority in our own state. Rather than risking another awakening in the Sikh nation the Indian Government thinks best to get rid of us all together, they for well know the power of the Khalsa. I’ve touched on a number of issues, but to conclude, I am 100% sure that Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana will not be hanged on the 31st March. The only beneficiary of this outcome will be the Indian Government. KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

Not bad at all, I think he's on the gear though, which is a shame. Whereabouts in Punjab is this guy from?

Don't give this guy any undeserved publicity, him and Sunny Hundal are two peas in a pod. Just delete this thread, Bobby Friction and Sikh in the same sentence shouldn't be allowed.

Getting married in India is infinitely more challenging than getting married in the West despite any contrary opinions. Girls of loose or questionable morals in the West conduct themselves pretty much in the open and is common knowledge, as opposed to girls in Punjab showing a face of decency in public but privately a different story all together. There are a couple of things I can recommend when attempting to get married in Punjab: 1) Make sure that you have relatives that you can trust, a very difficult task nowadays, people always have an ulterior motive for their actions. 2) The younger the girl the better the chances of them not having any previous history, or "friendships", yes note the "s"!! 3) Conduct some independent investigations into the character of not only the girl but her family, use any links you can. The character of both the mother and father and siblings can be used as a partial indicator. 4) Girls in Punjab are becoming lazier by the day, much like the guys, make sure you don't use educational credentials they hold as an indicator of hard work or effort, everything can be bought in India, including educational qualifications. 5) Try to find out whether the family that the girl belongs to is looking to specifically get married to a guy from the West, not a good indicator. 6) If possible look for girls with little to no family/friends abroad, less scope for any problems with eloping or interference/disruptive influence 7) Marry a total Pindu with no scope of learning any English or new skills!!! OK, maybe going overboard but avoid marrying a girl who is educated or working at the same level as you, make sure they are a few pegs down the food chain. As for the Superduper, seeing as your already married, you could confide with family or friends who can mediate between both families. Also can you elaborate on exactly what is suspicious with her behaviour and why you think something is not right? It's important you share this information before anyone including me can really give you any sensible and meaningful advice, either by posting on here or sending me a personal message. I certainly don't endorse the advice of talking to her if you already suspect her, sorry to say this but women especially from Punjab are very shrewd and clever, keep quiet and don't give her anything on your personality or state of mind that she could use against you. I want to help you brother but need this extra information.

Manpreet Badal = More of the same.

Oh look, the Khalistani Internet Fauj, sitting with their AK-47's at hand ready to liberate Khalistan. It's people like you have lost all sense of perception, to the point that you can no longer coherently read simple posts on a Sikh internet forum. I will take the time to dissect my post for your understanding: So here I am looking for perhaps video or audio of the alleged inciting comments made? I also very clearly refer to the events in November 1984 as genocide, do you know what genocide means? Clearly not after from what you wrote, I'll save you the trip to the dictionary: "The deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group" It is said he made these statements on Doordarshan, this is a national channel in India, and one of the very few available at the time given the absence of cable or satellite television. One would assume there would be numerous witness testimonies, or even video or audio evidence? So, where anywhere in my comments have I doubted the validity of the claims, what because I asked for something a little more robust that may hold up in an international court of law? As for Ajmer Singh Randhawa having audio and video stockpiled, I find it a little odd that he has not released anything for public viewing that may really prove beyond any reasonable doubt the veracity of these allegations against Amitabh Bachchan. On a personal note however, I would not be in the least bit surprised if he did say these things, it's a well known fact how close his mother was to Indira Gandhi, so this is entirely plausible. My point was being surprised at the fact that we have no video or audio evidence given the enormity of who made these inciting comments. KhalistaniGunMan - Think before you talk next time.

Does anyone have any concrete evidence about his role in the Delhi genocide? I'm struggling to believe that he could get away with what he is alleged to have done without any video evidence or maybe numerous witness testimonies given that he is a demi-god in India. Anybody?

This whole Jatt thing is getting out of hand on this site. I think every week I must see a post about Jatts this, Jatts that. Firstly Jatts are NOT a caste!!! They are an ethnic group consisting of clans based on common ancestry through endogamy, ever heard of a Jathera? The obsession with Jatts is unreal, I see small-time insecure folk who make statements like "Why don't Jatts marry non-Jatts" etc, damn, do you know how low you look by making such statements! How the hell is the marriage customs of Jatts anybody else's business, really it sounds like "I'm just a dark, skinny, flat nosed guy who needs an injection of some superior Jatt genes". Leave it out, be content with whatever God has made you.

This thread stinks of racism and utter bigotry, well done, so called Guru de Chella! It smacks of Singh's with huge inferiority complexes, something I have seen all too often in the UK. WJKK WJKF

PM Bhai Ji, nail on head, no more. I hope West London Singh Bhai doesn't leave.

This topic is no more than discussing the relevance of Churas and more specifically Chammars in Sikhism, package it anyway you want, these lot have no love for Sikhi. They claim discrimination at every point, but Guru Ji has made it very clear that caste/race/ethnicity does not prevail over the "TRUTH" aka Waheguru. As they feel they have no acceptance in any religion, including Hinduism and Christianity, they fabricate their own stories about Bhagat Ravidass Ji. Let these people be, Waheguru knows the truth...

Bhai Sahib, perhaps I was over zealous in my "prediction", but it was based on perpetual reality. As regards to my comments being a disgrace, time shall tell, you mistake me for an enemy however my ideology will always be "KHALISTAN ZINDABAD".

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Ok, so by your post I assume the girls mentioned in the article are Sikh girls? I didn't know this, do we have any evidence to support this? Assuming for a second that they are "Sikh" girls, my question would be what kind of parenting produced girls that fall into the hands of such predatory individuals?

Well clearly, as I still don't understand the relevance of it being in the "General" Sikhi talk section? Please explain.